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The NEW map of Iraq
    #3050103 - 08/25/04 09:25 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

This is sooo not funny.



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Re: The NEW map of Iraq [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #3050111 - 08/25/04 09:27 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

PLAESE MEVO TISH TO TOD>


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Re: The NEW map of Iraq [Re: GazzBut]
    #3050123 - 08/25/04 09:30 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Somebody went and jumbled up your keys, huh?


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Re: The NEW map of Iraq [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #3050146 - 08/25/04 09:35 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

That's about as funny as leukemia.


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Re: The NEW map of Iraq [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3050261 - 08/25/04 10:01 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

If performed well, the leukemia bit can really work great.


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Re: The NEW map of Iraq [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #3052141 - 08/26/04 07:37 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I'm reporting you to the humor police.  Also I'm billing you for my time!!! :mad:


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Re: The NEW map of Iraq [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #3052180 - 08/26/04 08:05 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Why do you use the name you do when your opinions couldnt be further removed from the great man himself? been wonderin that for a while now...


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Re: The NEW map of Iraq [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #3052220 - 08/26/04 08:22 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Seems pretty funny to me - I even sniggered.

I must be depraved - lock me up!

Not meaning to get on your case Hagbard, but I have wondered too, what happened to you. You were my hero.


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Re: The NEW map of Iraq [Re: GazzBut]
    #3054315 - 08/26/04 06:28 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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GazzBut said:
Why do you use the name you do when your opinions couldnt be further removed from the great man himself? been wonderin that for a while now...




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Not meaning to get on your case Hagbard, but I have wondered too, what happened to you. You were my hero.




Quite the conundrum. I have wondered when someone will figure it out. It will be understood eventually I'm sure.

Hagbard Celine - You probably haven't read enough of my writings.


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Re: The NEW map of Iraq [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #3054671 - 08/26/04 08:02 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Quite the conundrum. I have wondered when someone will figure it out. It will be understood eventually I'm sure.

Hagbard Celine - You probably haven't read enough of my writings.




Fucking beautiful! D'you reckon there's any chance he gets it?


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Re: The NEW map of Iraq [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3054988 - 08/26/04 08:53 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

:shrug:


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Re: The NEW map of Iraq [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #3056829 - 08/27/04 04:59 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Gimme a break!


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Re: The NEW map of Iraq [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #3056925 - 08/27/04 06:26 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

"The most thoroughly and relentlessly Damned, banned, excluded, condemned, forbidden, ostracized, ignore, suppressed, repressed, robbed, brutalized and defamed of all Damned Things is the individual human being. The social engineers, statistician, psychologist, sociologists, market researchers, landlords, bureaucrats, captains of industry, bankers, governors, commissars, kings and presidents are perpetually forcing this Damned Thing into carefully prepared blueprints and perpetually irritated that the Damned Thing will not fit into the slot assigned it. The theologians call it a sinner and try to reform it. The governor calls it a criminal and tries to punish it. the psychologist calls it a neurotic and tries to cure it. Still, the Damned Thing will not fit into their slots." (Hagbard Celine)

"It seems at first glance that authority could not exist at all if all men were cowards or if no men were cowards, but flourishes as it does because most men are cowards and some men are thieves. Actually, the inner dynamics of cowardice and submission on the one hand and of heroism and rebellion on the other are seldom consciously realized either by the ruling class or the servile class. Submission is identified not with cowardice but with virtue, rebellion not with heroism but with evil. To the Roman slave-owners, Spartacus was not a hero and the obedient slaves were not cowards; Spartacus was a villain and the obedient slaves were virtuous. The obedient slaves believed this also. The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly." (Hagbard Celine)

""The Charge of the Light Brigade"- the story of a group of young males led to their death in a palpably idiotic situation and only because they obeyed a senseless order without stopping to think- has been, and remains, a popular poem, because unthinking obedience by young males to older males is the most highly prized of all conditioned reflexes within human, and hominid, societies." (Hagbard Celine)

A conundrum indeed...

Never trust a man who deals in flax, for his morals sadly lack.

Get your pink jumper on  Hagbard!!! :happyheart:


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Re: The NEW map of Iraq [Re: CJay]
    #3056935 - 08/27/04 06:38 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

The plot thickens...


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Re: The NEW map of Iraq [Re: Xlea321]
    #3056973 - 08/27/04 07:12 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

heh heh

Will the real Hagbard Celine please stand up.


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Re: The NEW map of Iraq [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3059351 - 08/27/04 08:31 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Fucking beautiful! D'you reckon there's any chance he gets it?




Nope! Im not to proud to admit it. please enlighten me....


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Re: The NEW map of Iraq [Re: GazzBut]
    #3068260 - 08/30/04 09:40 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Come on guys...dont hold back on the true wisdom!!


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Re: The NEW map of Iraq [Re: GazzBut]
    #3069323 - 08/30/04 03:33 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I think you'll be disappointed with the answer. I was mainly joking with you, but there was partial truth to what I said.

I can understand how you would interpret some of what I've said as conflicting with Celine, but to say all my opinions are removed from him is quite wrong. I'm not sure of how much you've read of RAW but he wrote much more on Celine than just the Illuminatus Trilogy. The Illuminati (Papers or Chronicles??? I can't remember) has Celine's "Position Papers" in it. If you were to read, him and I, you would see that much of what he espouses is congruent with what I believe as well. In fact, much of what you advocate is in opposition to him - specifcally your "Heard it all before" thread.

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Hagbard Celine's Definitions and Distinctions

FREE MARKET

That condition of society in which all economic transactions result from voluntary choice without coercion.

THE STATE

That institution which interferes with the Free Market through the direct exercise of coercion or the granting of privileges (backed by coercion).

TAX

That form of coercion or interference with the Free Market in which the State collects tribute (the tax), allowing it to hire armed forces to practice coercion in defense of privilege, and also to engage in such wars, adventures, experiments, "reforms," etc., as it pleases not at its own cost, but at the cost of "its" subjects.

PRIVILEGE

From the Latin privi, private, and lege, law. An advantage granted by the State and protected by its powers of coercion. A law for private benefit.

USURY

That form of privilege or interference with the Free Market in which one State-supported group monopolizes the coinage and thereby takes tribute (interest), direct or indirect, on all or most economic transactions.

LANDLORDISM

That form of privilege or interference with the Free Market in which one State-supported group "owns" the land and thereby takes tribute (rent) from those who live, work, or produce on the land.

TARIFF

That form of privilege or interference with the Free Market in which commodities produced outside the State are not allowed to compete equally with those produced inside the State.

POLITICAL CAPITALISM

That organization of society, incorporating elements of tax, usury, landlordism, and tariff, which thus denies the Free Market while pretending to exemplify it.

CONSERVATISM

That school of capitalist philosophy which claims allegiance to the Free Market while actually supporting usury, landlordism, tariff, and sometimes taxation.

LIBERALISM

That school of capitalist philosophy which attempts to correct the injustices of capitalism by adding new laws to existing laws. Each time conservatives pass a law creating privilege, liberals pass another law modifying privilege, leading conservatives to pass a more subtle law recreating privilege, etc., until "everything not forbidden is compulsory" and "everything not compulsory is forbidden."

SOCIALISM

The attempted abolition of all privilege by restoring power entirely to the coercive agent behind privilege, the State, thereby converting capitalist oligarchy into Statist monopoly. Whitewashing a wall by painting it black.

ANARCHISM

That organization of society in which the Free Market operates freely, without taxes, usury, landlordism, tariffs, or other forms of coercion or privilege.

RIGHT ANARCHISTS predict that in the Free Market people would voluntarily choose to compete more often than to cooperate.

LEFT ANARCHISTS predict that in the Free Market people would voluntarily choose to cooperate more often than to compete.





Furthermore, I've also stated that I used to maintain a more leftist doctrine. I've been a RAW fan since I was 14 and had long been someone accepting of conspiracy theories as religion. I got older, gained more experience and had an Illuminating shift in perception.

Celine's goal was always to fight that which attempted control and I feel no differently. I still believe government as it exists is wrong - on both ends of the spectrum.

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Re: The NEW map of Iraq [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #3069350 - 08/30/04 03:40 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for clearing that up!


So would you consider yourself to be a right anarchist?


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