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    #3044291 - 08/24/04 02:58 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

anyone ever worked with this strain? what are its charactaristics? i'm thinking very wide mushrooms, but i'd like to hear from a first hand cultivator. what's the height like, etc.


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Re: fatass strain [Re: TODAY]
    #3044431 - 08/24/04 03:49 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

They grow short and fat.
I have had shrooms that had 2 1/2 inc caps but were only 3 inches tall. They make Fatt ass shrooms

I also have gotten some huge 20 gram monsters
Very aggresive Myc. growth
heavy pinning and a good flusher.
The shrooms will be fighting for space  :thumbup:

All in all I like them


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Re: fatass strain [Re: TODAY]
    #3044445 - 08/24/04 03:54 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Wait a second. "Fatass Strain"?? I don't think that's a strain. Isn't that just a term PF uses to describe mushrooms that grow short and fat? Any mushroom can do that. Not a perticular strain. It depends on your humidity and terrerium set up. I heard that one reason for "fatasses" is from lack of gas exchange. If you don't fan your cakes daily then too much CO2 will build up and they don't grow very proportional. So correct me if I'm wrong.


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Re: fatass strain [Re: Madnessplus]
    #3044484 - 08/24/04 04:03 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

No
I got some fatt ass spores about 6 months ago from a very reliable source. They are deffinitly Some fatt ass shrooms.  Exactly where they come from, I do not know.
But they are very much a strain that shows different charistics from my other strains. :smile:


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Re: fatass strain [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3044530 - 08/24/04 04:16 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I've also heard of the "fatass strain". It is real.


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Re: fatass strain [Re: TODAY]
    #3044858 - 08/24/04 05:32 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

PFC's were known as Fatasses also :wink: very potent!


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Re: fatass strain [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3045836 - 08/24/04 09:03 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

lol, maybe i shoulda just pm'd you fucknuckle  :lol:.  i can't wait to try them out.  the pf strain is fatass?  how come the vendors dont carry fatass? or do they?


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Re: fatass strain [Re: TODAY]
    #3046327 - 08/24/04 11:36 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

i saw some burma once that were fatasses.  outdoor ones.  2in stems and 3in caps is about what they were like too.  thick meaty stems, not hollow, atleast not at the base, toward the top i guess they were.  i had a bag of them dry, and i was like hmm wonder how much it is, i guess about 1.75 - 2,  2.5 at the most i said.  they actually ended up weighing 4.1  i was just like damnnnn, some dense lil fruits.

Burma  :thumbup:


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Re: fatass strain [Re: TODAY]
    #3046344 - 08/24/04 11:40 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know what to say I got my FATTASS print from a mod here at the shroomery So I can only say what I was told


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Re: fatass strain [Re: TODAY]
    #3046419 - 08/24/04 11:52 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

where do we purchase such a strain?


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Re: fatass strain [Re: TODAY]
    #3047350 - 08/25/04 04:10 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

phatass can refer to either PFs, or Koh Samui.


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Re: fatass strain [Re: hyphae]
    #3047666 - 08/25/04 08:58 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

hyphae said:
PFC's were known as Fatasses also :wink: very potent!



He is right PF classic and Fatass are the same


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Re: fatass strain [Re: OldSpice]
    #3054277 - 08/26/04 06:17 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I like fatasses and I can't not lie!
I'd like to grow some


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Re: fatass strain [Re: TODAY]
    #3054334 - 08/26/04 06:36 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: fatass strain [Re: shirley knott]
    #3054360 - 08/26/04 06:48 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

BTW PFC's are easily IDed by the lack of veil remaining for those of you who are into that sort of thing :wink: These are Fatasses!





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Re: fatass strain [Re: hyphae]
    #3057533 - 08/27/04 12:12 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

That's funny, I see the veil in the picture.


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Re: fatass strain [Re: meanoldman]
    #3057611 - 08/27/04 12:31 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

:lol: :lol: :lol: :eek:  HA HA mabey he got the wrong PICS?????


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Re: fatass strain [Re: meanoldman]
    #3057656 - 08/27/04 12:41 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

"Veil remaining" You guys serious or what? Get a clue boys :wink: They have extremely transparent veils that for the most part disappear :wink:


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Re: fatass strain [Re: hyphae]
    #3057760 - 08/27/04 01:14 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

That is different form other cubies how?


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Re: fatass strain [Re: hyphae]
    #3057863 - 08/27/04 01:43 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

When I tried The original PF and my fatass strain I did get some very faint veils but they were not as heavy in above pics??? :confused: But now after looking at them again thoses could very well be Fatass's. And why would you bullshit Us  :thumbup: :tongue2:


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Re: fatass strain [Re: OldSpice]
    #3057876 - 08/27/04 01:45 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

pf classic=SA


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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Re: fatass strain [Re: meanoldman]
    #3057908 - 08/27/04 01:52 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

From what I've been able to assess PF changed strains back in the early 90's or so or so I was told from several sources. A good question for the professor no doubt! :wink: PFC's I believe are a amazonian strain I will look into it further and see what I can come up with if no one posts a link or something.


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Re: fatass strain [Re: hyphae]
    #3057921 - 08/27/04 01:56 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I have a PF strain from 95 that always puts out big fatass fruits with chubby bases, looks just like the last pic on this thread.

I think the PF strain change was after the blacklight mutation incedent. (form my memory, which is generally shitty)


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Re: fatass strain [Re: Psychoslut]
    #3057925 - 08/27/04 01:57 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

PF = SA

What is SA?? South American??

That would be Amazonian then??


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Re: fatass strain [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3057932 - 08/27/04 01:59 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

South Americans (amazonians at some point)


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Re: fatass strain [Re: meanoldman]
    #3057935 - 08/27/04 01:59 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Yup My Pf's are from 96 and they look just like the pics. Fat and plump


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Re: fatass strain [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3057936 - 08/27/04 02:00 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

south american


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Re: fatass strain [Re: TODAY]
    #3057978 - 08/27/04 02:11 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

"PF
(Psilocybe Fanaticus "Amazonian")

This is a strain that prefers cakes for substrate but will work with casings also. It can produce some rather large "fatass" fruits. The stems tend to be rather large at the base and the veils are thin (dissapearing upon maturity). One downfall to this strain is its high abortion rate however with proper hydration this can be minimized (they really like water ) Nice prints and fat fruits a classic newbie strain"


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Re: fatass strain [Re: hyphae]
    #3058254 - 08/27/04 03:07 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

PF = SA = Amazonian = Fatass

what is wrong with the above statement? answer - possibly nothing, posssibly everything.
just cos they originated in the same area of south america doesn't mean they're the same. PF only grows well on cakes, not casings. all the others i've successfully cased.


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Re: fatass strain [Re: shirley knott]
    #3058271 - 08/27/04 03:13 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

No SA meant south americans, (this) was that PFC's were amazonians sorry for the confusion :frown: I knew I should have put that damn little period there for a reason! :wink: They are definitely not the same! so sorry :frown:


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Re: fatass strain [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3058551 - 08/27/04 04:26 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

koh samui can grow some fat asses. I've seen some growing in the same grow chamber with some skinny assed EQ. But an earlier batch of the same K.S. were average sized. I think it's pretty cool how much variety there can be.


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Re: fatass strain [Re: shirley knott]
    #3058568 - 08/27/04 04:31 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

shirley knott said:
PF = SA = Amazonian = Fatass

what is wrong with the above statement? answer - possibly nothing, posssibly everything.
just cos they originated in the same area of south america doesn't mean they're the same. PF only grows well on cakes, not casings. all the others i've successfully cased.




I call BS
They (PF strain circa 1995) grow quite dandy on casings


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Re: fatass strain [Re: meanoldman]
    #3058702 - 08/27/04 05:11 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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I call BS
They (PF strain circa 1995) grow quite dandy on casings




I disagree. At least in my own experience with the PF strain, it performs very poorly compared to other strains when cased:

Image removed for security reasons...

I also have an apprentice that can verify this as well. Out of all the casings, this was the best producer... Perhaps the earlier genetics were better, but the spores in circulation now seem to be acclimated to PF style cakes...


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Re: fatass strain [Re: ATWAR]
    #3058908 - 08/27/04 06:11 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

That casing looks like crap, and that was the best one?

If mine looked anything like that, I would have quit long ago; instead of perpetuating the same strain since 1995.

Maybe they changed strains at some point?


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Re: fatass strain [Re: meanoldman]
    #3058943 - 08/27/04 06:26 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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meanoldman said:
That casing looks like crap, and that was the best one?

If mine looked anything like that, I would have quit long ago; instead of perpetuating the same strain since 1995.

Maybe they changed strains at some point?




Thanks. Yes, it was the best of the three. That was the reason I have never grown the PF strain again since. A friend of mine had a nice pinset with about a 90% abort count. My apprentice also had pathetic fruits as you see in my casing. The ones my apprentice grew were not from the same spores as mine.

In case you didn't read the thread, it has been said that strains were changed. Perhaps you would care to donate one of your nice producing PF prints?


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Re: fatass strain [Re: meanoldman]
    #3058954 - 08/27/04 06:28 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

this strain has perpetuated because it does so well on cakes. thus making it a great strain for the begining enthusiast.


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Re: fatass strain [Re: mycopsycho]
    #3059048 - 08/27/04 06:54 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

This has been said before, that it has become acclimated to the PF recipe of brown rice flour and vermiculite. I can speak from experience that it appears to not do so well on dung and straw. I have never tried it on cakes, nor do I plan to, ever... While I am sure it would be possible to get a good performing isolate, I also have no desire to do such a thing either. IMO, the strain is not worth it in terms of yield.


Continual propagation of this strain on cakes, trade to another cake grower, and so on will compound the problem with time...


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Re: fatass strain [Re: TODAY]
    #3059169 - 08/27/04 07:32 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

TODAY said:
anyone ever worked with this strain? what are its charactaristics? i'm thinking very wide mushrooms, but i'd like to hear from a first hand cultivator. what's the height like, etc.


the strain is pf or amazonian whatever they are really good for the pf tek. i regularly use this strain and from pf cakes i can yield 10-13 grams of mushrooms per cake dry weight.


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Re: fatass strain [Re: fungusflip]
    #3059183 - 08/27/04 07:40 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

pint cake?


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Re: fatass strain [Re: fungusflip]
    #3059188 - 08/27/04 07:42 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

TODAY. the user on this thread named ATWAR knows what he is talking about. this strain sucks for casings but does very well on cakes or straw logs. like i said i grow this strain on a regular basis i'm very familiar with it and if you're wanting to grow some nice shrooms this would be the strain. it also helps to add in yeast to the substrate!!!


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Re: fatass strain [Re: shirley knott]
    #3059213 - 08/27/04 07:46 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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pint cake?


1\2 pints


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Re: fatass strain [Re: fungusflip]
    #3059223 - 08/27/04 07:49 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

try this
2 parts organic brown rice
1 part organic rye berry
grind it up not into a fine powder but more of a gritty flour
this is your dry substrate.
mix 5-5 1\2 cups dry substrate to 5 cups coarse vermiculite dry
have 600ml of water and add to the water 4 grams of yeast and stir it up.
add the yeast water to the dry substrate and make your cakes.
be for warned that by adding the yeast you're more prone to contamination so be clean. adding in the yeast doubled my yeilds almost from pf cakes.


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Re: fatass strain [Re: fungusflip]
    #3059355 - 08/27/04 08:32 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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the user on this thread named ATWAR knows what he is talking about.




Thank you. But not all of us are male...



I will also add that the mushrooms I have observed from this strain are generally very heavy for their size. And while mushrooms I have grown are generally small and flushes lacking, the quality of the fruits are halfway decent (same observations were made from other growers casings). But, in my quest to find my favorite strain, this one was pretty much on the bottom of the list... For my style anyway. I have seen it produce some excellent fruits from the PF cake recipe...

Your comments on it performing well on straw logs sounds interesting. This whole thread has almost motivated me to try it on a PF cake... Perhaps one day I will revisit this strain...


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Re: fatass strain [Re: ATWAR]
    #3059647 - 08/27/04 09:44 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

sorry i made gender assumtions no harm intended. i want to explain something about the pf cakes versus casings etc... i've been successful with all methods of fruiting mushrooms i.e. casings, logs,spawning bulk substrates etc. what i have noticed is(at least with the pf strain)that first of all are less likely to contaminate while fruiting. lets say i have 50 1\2 pint cakes and i fruit them. i'll get 4 to 5 oz. off the first flush maybe 5 or 6 oz. the second then a third fourth and even a fifth flush. all in all it pans out to about 1-1 1\2 pounds from 50 cakes. now lets say 3 or 4 or even 10 cakes go bad for whatever reason, then you simply remove them and now your down to 40 cakes that are still fruiting right. where as with a casing or bulk substrate sure it looks really impressive to watch it do it's thing but if it gets contaminated then it's inevitably gonna go bad if something isn't done to get rid of the infection. you lose a whole casing as opposed to 1 or 2 or 3 cakes here and there. plus while harvesting off of the cakes and then dunking them, which kinda sucks dunking a whole casing, you can get absolutely every abort as well. harvesting all the aborts from a casing could be tedious. all of these aborts weigh out to alot of shrooms when its all said and done. also i have cloned this strain and isolated it on agar. after i cloned i cut down the abort rate 80%! i have kept journals in the past to record my observations but i destroy them regularly. this is my report after 3 years' of work and dedication.


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Re: fatass strain [Re: fungusflip]
    #3059826 - 08/27/04 10:36 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Ah, therein lies the pros and cons of cakes vs. casings in general.
Fruiting from isolate is always better IME... But not all isolates are created equal... Maybe someday I will play with the legendary PF again. But I assume if I were to repeat the multi-spore grain spawn to manure/straw I would end up with the same results. At this point in time, it is not in my interest to go through all the work of cloning and selecting a good "substrain".

I have no doubt the strain is capable of performing well, but the characteristics that were exhibited by my spores and those of another did not perform well with our methods. Who knows actually how many different strains were sent out by PF, what had been done to them in their "lab", and how many generations have passed before it came to the end user...

It grew exactly the same outdoors, but much darker. The pins were black.
It was definitely a unique little shroom :grin:


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Re: fatass strain [Re: hyphae]
    #3060611 - 08/28/04 02:32 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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proper hydration this can be minimized (they really like water )




My Friend is growing the PF strain now. he just flushed one of the cakes, but it already had pins coming up. he was planning on dunking the cakes, but with these pins already starting to grow it seems he will not have the chance. Would it be wise to take these new pins off and dunk anyways? or should he wait until he has flushed the whole cake completely and dunk? These pins are very early in development so it may take a few more days for them to mature.


These cakes are sitting in a PMP on the hydroton. the Hydroton should wick water into the cakes, however, should this be enough to rehydrate the cake?


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Re: fatass strain [Re: ATWAR]
    #3060974 - 08/28/04 05:10 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

quote :Thank you. But not all of us are male...quote
Wow Atwar im a single male/6`wt 200 lbs ..run own business and looking for a female..
cultivator w/height weight proportunate :tongue:
Long walks thru Wall-Mart and good intelligent genetics conversation a must
Agar experiance a plus :smirk: :heart:


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Re: fatass strain [Re: OldSpice]
    #3061021 - 08/28/04 05:31 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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Alounacara said:
Wow Atwar im a single male/6`wt 200 lbs ..run own business and looking for a female..
cultivator w/height weight proportunate 
Long walks thru Wall-Mart and good intelligent genetics conversation a must
Agar experiance a plus




:sorry: You could say I am reserved. This is generally why I think it is best that gender be left out of the internet. It makes no difference in the end... But sometimes I step in from time to time correcting people. I rather dislike being referred to as man, bro, he, etc. I am ATWAR, with the little Squirt (Offspring) turtle Avatar. Look no further...


I was thinking about it ever since this post, and I have decided it would be interesting to try the PF strain I have again. Not sure when exactly, but I will post anything I do in the growlog (I also dislike posting grows). I still have one log to finish as it is though, I am waiting on my competitor to finish his end of the contest (or war). He is still working on getting more isolates...

I will try to get a good performing isolate, perhaps make a multispore cake or two and a casing like before, all for comparison. Who knows. Back burner for now....


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Re: fatass strain [Re: ATWAR]
    #3061078 - 08/28/04 05:57 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Thats cool and keep me in mind if you get a PFC isolate :smile: ...
I am gonna innoc these with PFC multispore for invitro
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Re: fatass strain [Re: OldSpice]
    #3061507 - 08/28/04 12:23 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

How do you get the shrooms out of there? Safe to break the glass?


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Re: fatass strain [Re: PaintedDeath]
    #3062651 - 08/28/04 06:45 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I hav edunked cakes with pins several times with no real damage.
The pins stsrted growing like mad with in 24 hours, but there is a point that dunking can hurt larger pins.

Overall though dunking cakes with pins isn't a problem.


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Re: fatass strain [Re: OldSpice]
    #3063429 - 08/28/04 10:58 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

how do you invitro a beer bottle??? is there actually enough space for invitro?


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Re: fatass strain [Re: mycopsycho]
    #3063560 - 08/28/04 11:42 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

You could invitro any jar and the mushrooms will make room. I'm just curious as to how he gets them out. I use lots of random jars for invitro but always have to have a wide enough lid..


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