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Invisiblefungusflip
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Re: fatass strain [Re: shirley knott]
    #3059213 - 08/27/04 07:46 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

shirley knott said:
pint cake?


1\2 pints


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Re: fatass strain [Re: fungusflip]
    #3059223 - 08/27/04 07:49 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

try this
2 parts organic brown rice
1 part organic rye berry
grind it up not into a fine powder but more of a gritty flour
this is your dry substrate.
mix 5-5 1\2 cups dry substrate to 5 cups coarse vermiculite dry
have 600ml of water and add to the water 4 grams of yeast and stir it up.
add the yeast water to the dry substrate and make your cakes.
be for warned that by adding the yeast you're more prone to contamination so be clean. adding in the yeast doubled my yeilds almost from pf cakes.


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Edited by fungusflip (08/27/04 07:58 PM)


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Re: fatass strain [Re: fungusflip]
    #3059355 - 08/27/04 08:32 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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fungusflip said:
the user on this thread named ATWAR knows what he is talking about.




Thank you. But not all of us are male...



I will also add that the mushrooms I have observed from this strain are generally very heavy for their size. And while mushrooms I have grown are generally small and flushes lacking, the quality of the fruits are halfway decent (same observations were made from other growers casings). But, in my quest to find my favorite strain, this one was pretty much on the bottom of the list... For my style anyway. I have seen it produce some excellent fruits from the PF cake recipe...

Your comments on it performing well on straw logs sounds interesting. This whole thread has almost motivated me to try it on a PF cake... Perhaps one day I will revisit this strain...


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Invisiblefungusflip
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Re: fatass strain [Re: ATWAR]
    #3059647 - 08/27/04 09:44 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

sorry i made gender assumtions no harm intended. i want to explain something about the pf cakes versus casings etc... i've been successful with all methods of fruiting mushrooms i.e. casings, logs,spawning bulk substrates etc. what i have noticed is(at least with the pf strain)that first of all are less likely to contaminate while fruiting. lets say i have 50 1\2 pint cakes and i fruit them. i'll get 4 to 5 oz. off the first flush maybe 5 or 6 oz. the second then a third fourth and even a fifth flush. all in all it pans out to about 1-1 1\2 pounds from 50 cakes. now lets say 3 or 4 or even 10 cakes go bad for whatever reason, then you simply remove them and now your down to 40 cakes that are still fruiting right. where as with a casing or bulk substrate sure it looks really impressive to watch it do it's thing but if it gets contaminated then it's inevitably gonna go bad if something isn't done to get rid of the infection. you lose a whole casing as opposed to 1 or 2 or 3 cakes here and there. plus while harvesting off of the cakes and then dunking them, which kinda sucks dunking a whole casing, you can get absolutely every abort as well. harvesting all the aborts from a casing could be tedious. all of these aborts weigh out to alot of shrooms when its all said and done. also i have cloned this strain and isolated it on agar. after i cloned i cut down the abort rate 80%! i have kept journals in the past to record my observations but i destroy them regularly. this is my report after 3 years' of work and dedication.


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Re: fatass strain [Re: fungusflip]
    #3059826 - 08/27/04 10:36 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Ah, therein lies the pros and cons of cakes vs. casings in general.
Fruiting from isolate is always better IME... But not all isolates are created equal... Maybe someday I will play with the legendary PF again. But I assume if I were to repeat the multi-spore grain spawn to manure/straw I would end up with the same results. At this point in time, it is not in my interest to go through all the work of cloning and selecting a good "substrain".

I have no doubt the strain is capable of performing well, but the characteristics that were exhibited by my spores and those of another did not perform well with our methods. Who knows actually how many different strains were sent out by PF, what had been done to them in their "lab", and how many generations have passed before it came to the end user...

It grew exactly the same outdoors, but much darker. The pins were black.
It was definitely a unique little shroom :grin:


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Re: fatass strain [Re: hyphae]
    #3060611 - 08/28/04 02:32 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

proper hydration this can be minimized (they really like water )




My Friend is growing the PF strain now. he just flushed one of the cakes, but it already had pins coming up. he was planning on dunking the cakes, but with these pins already starting to grow it seems he will not have the chance. Would it be wise to take these new pins off and dunk anyways? or should he wait until he has flushed the whole cake completely and dunk? These pins are very early in development so it may take a few more days for them to mature.


These cakes are sitting in a PMP on the hydroton. the Hydroton should wick water into the cakes, however, should this be enough to rehydrate the cake?


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Re: fatass strain [Re: ATWAR]
    #3060974 - 08/28/04 05:10 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

quote :Thank you. But not all of us are male...quote
Wow Atwar im a single male/6`wt 200 lbs ..run own business and looking for a female..
cultivator w/height weight proportunate :tongue:
Long walks thru Wall-Mart and good intelligent genetics conversation a must
Agar experiance a plus :smirk: :heart:


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Re: fatass strain [Re: OldSpice]
    #3061021 - 08/28/04 05:31 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Alounacara said:
Wow Atwar im a single male/6`wt 200 lbs ..run own business and looking for a female..
cultivator w/height weight proportunate 
Long walks thru Wall-Mart and good intelligent genetics conversation a must
Agar experiance a plus




:sorry: You could say I am reserved. This is generally why I think it is best that gender be left out of the internet. It makes no difference in the end... But sometimes I step in from time to time correcting people. I rather dislike being referred to as man, bro, he, etc. I am ATWAR, with the little Squirt (Offspring) turtle Avatar. Look no further...


I was thinking about it ever since this post, and I have decided it would be interesting to try the PF strain I have again. Not sure when exactly, but I will post anything I do in the growlog (I also dislike posting grows). I still have one log to finish as it is though, I am waiting on my competitor to finish his end of the contest (or war). He is still working on getting more isolates...

I will try to get a good performing isolate, perhaps make a multispore cake or two and a casing like before, all for comparison. Who knows. Back burner for now....


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Re: fatass strain [Re: ATWAR]
    #3061078 - 08/28/04 05:57 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Thats cool and keep me in mind if you get a PFC isolate :smile: ...
I am gonna innoc these with PFC multispore for invitro
six-pac attack :evil:


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Re: fatass strain [Re: OldSpice]
    #3061507 - 08/28/04 12:23 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

How do you get the shrooms out of there? Safe to break the glass?


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Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: fatass strain [Re: PaintedDeath]
    #3062651 - 08/28/04 06:45 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I hav edunked cakes with pins several times with no real damage.
The pins stsrted growing like mad with in 24 hours, but there is a point that dunking can hurt larger pins.

Overall though dunking cakes with pins isn't a problem.


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Re: fatass strain [Re: OldSpice]
    #3063429 - 08/28/04 10:58 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

how do you invitro a beer bottle??? is there actually enough space for invitro?


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Re: fatass strain [Re: mycopsycho]
    #3063560 - 08/28/04 11:42 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

You could invitro any jar and the mushrooms will make room. I'm just curious as to how he gets them out. I use lots of random jars for invitro but always have to have a wide enough lid..


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"life is like a drop of rain getting closer and closer to falling into a lake, and then when you hit the lake there is no more rain drop, only the lake."

Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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