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Is it Copelandia Cyanescens
    #3043736 - 08/24/04 12:37 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Hi. I'm a newbie so please be patient with me. Not very adept at identifying wild mushrooms yet.

I was hoping somebody could help me identify a mushroom I found while camping this past weekend. It was found growing out of horse dung, under a spruce in a forest/meadowland after a rain storm, at 4500 feet, in the mountains of southern Virginia.

The cap was about 1.5" in diamter, moist, and greyish white with some brownish splotches. the stem was also moist and greyish white. It had the texture of a wet olive. The gills were black and it smelled like soil. They are dry now and smell somewhat like fish.

The pics are attached and any help is very much appreciated.
Thanks.






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Re: Is it Copelandia Cyanescens [Re: Gryon]
    #3043777 - 08/24/04 12:53 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Nice description!

DId it bruise blue when handled?

I think its a Panaeolus of some sort, and not an active species. Being in Virginia, I think you might be just a tad too far North to have them growing.

See what tthe others say.


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Re: Is it Copelandia Cyanescens [Re: Gryon]
    #3043790 - 08/24/04 12:55 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Looks like there is some blue tinting on the hand in the second picture...I can't wait to take some pics...


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Re: Is it Copelandia Cyanescens [Re: rhaze76]
    #3043804 - 08/24/04 01:00 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Since I'm new to the ID process I didn't check for bruising. I honestly don't know if it did.

Do you think it's too far north specifically for Copelandia Cyanescens or for active species altogether?


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Re: Is it Copelandia Cyanescens [Re: Gryon]
    #3043922 - 08/24/04 01:27 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I think that VA is almost too far but I would imagine that there are exceptions if a spore can catch the right wind. I am learning as well...important to be consistent...eventually it will pay off...


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Re: Is it Copelandia Cyanescens [Re: Gryon]
    #3044118 - 08/24/04 02:12 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

No- just another pan in the shit- but aren't they beautiful?! Not that it would matter in this instance, and I sure do agree with DH- nice descr., but you did happen to forget the spore print color (I'm learning that a pic of the print eliminates subjectivity). You will find many of those in VA. Look for some subbs. Glad to see VA people on the lookout. Keep at it Gryon- we need people to follow the rules like you man- just rem. the print in the future. I just found like several hundred of those in some horse shit. Here's a hint- since you have access to pastureland where horses are- look right around the stables (with permission), and in mixed (real old- this is important) dung and hay and grass or whatever right close to the stable area, and you might just find some subbs- sounds like a rich environment. Good luck buddy! You'll need it- watch out for the rain- it just claimed me as its most recent and drowned victim! I'm still so damned wet and with this couple feet of hair!...


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Re: Is it Copelandia Cyanescens [Re: Gryon]
    #3044385 - 08/24/04 03:32 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I think that if it is a Panaeolus, then it could possibly be Panaeolus campanulatus, Panaeolus semiovatus, or others. Did any of the specimens have an annulus on the stem? Tooth shaped remnants along the cap margins? If there is just 1 specimen it can be difficult to ID. It would be best to get some at all stages of growth. Your specimen appears to be mature, mabie a little too mature.


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Re: Is it Copelandia Cyanescens [Re: array]
    #3044582 - 08/24/04 04:27 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks to everyone for their help. Array, I will take the advice. Superbling, thanks for the encouraging words. I will also take your advice to heart. Hopefully my second find will prove more fruitful.

I soon hope to contribute again!

Cheers,


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Re: Is it Copelandia Cyanescens [Re: Gryon]
    #3044684 - 08/24/04 04:53 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Its Panaeolus campanulatus and is not psychoactive. P. semiovatus is a giant Panaeolus mushroom, the largest one. I posted them here before so look them up in the search engines. Posted some while visiting at Paul Stamets Funghi Perfecti Farm in Shelton and we stopped off at a riding stable nearbye.

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Re: Is it Copelandia Cyanescens [Re: mjshroomer]
    #3045117 - 08/24/04 06:42 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

those pics look a little small to say Panaeolus campanulatus.
i see an incurved margin, and a aged somewhat pitted cap that displays a color i would normally expect from pan subbs (which can occur quite campanulanate) and not the more smooth silver of Panaeolus campanulatus, which i find have more brittle, and straighter stipes than what these tiny pictures display.

larger pictures required :smile:


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