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InvisibleDoctorJ
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legal recourse is a fucking joke
    #3042159 - 08/24/04 01:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So the other day I was waiting in a waiting room at the mechanic's and I was bored so I started reading the paper. Unfortunately they didnt have any of the sections I normally read, so I got stuck reading the business section.

Now, in the back of this business section, I see a big ad for a lawyer who claims to "Specialize in Unpaid Overtime Cases".

I started thinking about it.

So say you work in a warehouse. Your boss basically forces you to come in and work on the weekends by implying that you wont have a job if you dont pick up the extra hours. You bust ass for sixty hours a week, and then the company refuses to pay you for the overtime. So then you have to hire some dickhead attourney that costs $100+ an hour, wasting all this time, money and energy, waiting 6 months to a year for the case to clear... just to get what is rightfully yours under the law

It really blows my fucking mind sometimes how gummed up our fucking legal system is. Somebody fucks you over, you sue them, and who gets all the money? The fucking lawyers. And if you dont have the money to get a lawyer to defend what is yours by law? Well then, you're just fucked, especially in a dispute with some huge corporation with millions of dollars and high-priced attourneys at their disposal.

my insurance company fucked me on a wreck once. I could have sued them, but my lawyer costs a jillion dollars an hour, so it would have been pretty pointless.

Remember, folks, not having enough capital to defend your rights is basically like walking around with a big sign on your neck that says: "Stealing from me will result in no negative consequences."


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Re: legal recourse is a fucking joke [Re: DoctorJ]
    #3042367 - 08/24/04 02:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Lawyers will cause the death of this country in many more ways than just the situation you've presented.


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Re: legal recourse is a fucking joke [Re: Stein]
    #3042383 - 08/24/04 02:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I dont really blame the lawyers

I blame the inneficient system which takes too long and wastes too much energy to set things right.

sure, lawyers arent typically the most scruplous people, but they are really just doing a job.


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Re: legal recourse is a fucking joke [Re: DoctorJ]
    #3042479 - 08/24/04 03:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

How do we speed up the system?


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Re: legal recourse is a fucking joke [Re: Stein]
    #3042492 - 08/24/04 03:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

how the fuck am I supposed to know? :lol:


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Re: legal recourse is a fucking joke [Re: DoctorJ]
    #3042509 - 08/24/04 03:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:lol:
This is one of many things we should call our senators about and bitch loudly about, like queenofthething does about President Bush.  These are our tax dollars being wasted.


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Re: legal recourse is a fucking joke [Re: DoctorJ]
    #3042803 - 08/24/04 06:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

That's why I'm glad my dad's a lawyer.  Free legal representation. :cool:


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Re: legal recourse is a fucking joke [Re: DoctorJ]
    #3043006 - 08/24/04 08:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

In any other market, an increase in the number of workers drives down wages. If too many painters are competing for jobs the cost of getting your house payment will go down. If too many truck drivers are competing for loads the cost of moving your furniture cross country will go down. With lawyers, and increase in the number of lawyers only seems to increase the amount of lawsuits. The market for legal services is whacked. And the Crats want to put two more lawyers in the white house to go along with all the other lawyers in Washington. We need tort reform and we need to abolish the IRS. Fuck the lawyers.


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Re: legal recourse is a fucking joke [Re: DoctorJ]
    #3043697 - 08/24/04 12:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You know, lawyers don't want you to do things on your own. They like to get you to pay them just for signing your name. There are government agencies overseeing almost every aspect of a business, they love it when you drop a dime... excuse me, a quarter on someone who is violating the law. A judicious use of coins to a variety of agencies can wreak havoc on the smooth operation of a business.


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Re: legal recourse is a fucking joke [Re: silversoul7]
    #3043730 - 08/24/04 12:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

silversoul7 said:
That's why I'm glad my dad's a lawyer.  Free legal representation. :cool:




yeah, so's mine, but he wouldnt touch the petty legal squabbles I get into with a ten foot pole.  Hiring him would be like using a bazooka to go deer hunting.


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Re: legal recourse is a fucking joke [Re: DoctorJ]
    #3043776 - 08/24/04 12:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

> Hiring him would be like using a bazooka to go deer hunting.

Sure... change the subject and bring the NRA into this... (you never know when a rabid deer will require you to defend yourself, thus needing a bazooka)  :wink:


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Re: legal recourse is a fucking joke [Re: DoctorJ]
    #3043806 - 08/24/04 01:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Is it possible to file a suit without a lawyer? I know there would be no chance of winning if the opposing side hires one, but at least you could kind of 'punish' them by forcing them to spend thier money on legal fees.


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Re: legal recourse is a fucking joke [Re: Source]
    #3044036 - 08/24/04 01:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If you lose a suit, they can force you to pay their legal fees.


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Re: legal recourse is a fucking joke [Re: retread]
    #3044220 - 08/24/04 02:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ouch!


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Re: legal recourse is a fucking joke [Re: retread]
    #3044674 - 08/24/04 04:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The loser SHOULD be required to pay.


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Re: legal recourse is a fucking joke [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #3044727 - 08/24/04 05:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I submit to you that for every frivolous lawsuit filed, there are a thousand other people who get fucked by big business and just take it. Because they dont have the resources to defend themselves.


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Re: legal recourse is a fucking joke [Re: DoctorJ]
    #3044744 - 08/24/04 05:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

DoctorJ said:
I submit to you that for every frivolous lawsuit filed, there are a thousand other people who get fucked by big business and just take it. Because they dont have the resources to defend themselves.


If they don't file suit now, how will the change to a "loser pays" system affect that?


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Re: legal recourse is a fucking joke [Re: DoctorJ]
    #3044768 - 08/24/04 05:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I submit to you that for every frivolous lawsuit filed, there are a thousand other people who get fucked by big business and just take it. Because they dont have the resources to defend themselves.

an excellent reason for a "loser pays" system.


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Re: legal recourse is a fucking joke [Re: ]
    #3044775 - 08/24/04 05:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

the problem with the loser pays system is that court decisions are hardly ever just.


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Re: legal recourse is a fucking joke [Re: DoctorJ]
    #3044780 - 08/24/04 05:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

the problem with the loser pays system is that court decisions are hardly ever just.

i'd call that a problem with the court decisions....

:wink:


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