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Offlinescatmanrav
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Re: Rye [Re: Magash]
    #3063256 - 08/28/04 09:55 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Wonderful, guess I didnt screw up to bad then. Excellent info as always..


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Re: Rye [Re: Magash]
    #3063393 - 08/28/04 10:43 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

hey,
sorry if this is dumb, but in step 3 in the prep of the grain jars, did you throw out the water from the jars or did you put it in to simer with the grain? My guess is that you drained it out and threw it away then ad some new fresh water? Also when you used the closet how much light did you give them a certain lighting period or just leave in a dull room?

Thanks alot for the info its the only tek i've read with actual pictures which is very helpful. Also what strain are those? are they just B+?.


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Re: Rye [Re: Dr_Nick_Riviera]
    #3063689 - 08/29/04 12:24 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

He strains it and rinses it then adds fresh water for the simmering. I did exactly as him the first time but I've started soaking my grain in my PC all at once then dumping out the water slowly and filling it up about 4 times with clean water dumping it out every time then fill with clean water and simmer in the PC. Then follow on with the steps rinsing and straining completly then loading into jars and PCing.

I dont think Magash uses B+ but he did say above (plus its on the tyvek) that these in particular are OI (Orissa Indians).


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Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: Rye [Re: Dr_Nick_Riviera]
    #3064337 - 08/29/04 04:41 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Exactly what scat says.

Far as the lighting goes I use 15 hrs a day of floresent grow lights.
I use agrosun bulbs



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Re: Rye [Re: Magash]
    #3075360 - 08/31/04 09:21 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

does it really matter if you use no lid and only the microfilter with rim? what difference might there be? does any of the water vapor enter the incubator? i believe this is the best method for small projects using a bulk tek. does anyone agree?


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Re: Rye [Re: encryptor]
    #3076307 - 09/01/04 01:41 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Magash, you write a hell of a "how to"


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Re: Rye [Re: wds]
    #3076593 - 09/01/04 03:41 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

  :thanx:


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Re: Rye [Re: Magash]
    #3077116 - 09/01/04 08:19 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Another thing to add to this may be the Temp and RH you keep them at while in the tent. Ive heard and seen conflicting info on this so im curious what your doing this at.


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Re: Rye [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #3077339 - 09/01/04 10:20 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah true I should have had that but so many people have different opions on it I usually leave it out of my tek posts. Most disagree with me anyway.
I do not in anyway believe in lowering the humidity for casings. With low humidity I've (and this is just me) noticed much lower numbers in the next flushes when lowering the humidity then picking and then spraying and lifting the humidity again. To me it would seem better if the next pinset was allowed to set up while the larger fruits were still growing themselfs.

So without all the boaring bullshit it's kept at 95% rh and 74F all the time.



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Re: Rye [Re: Magash]
    #3077536 - 09/01/04 11:56 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

In your experience does keeping the temp that low make a huge difference, have you done iany experimenting at 85-95 degrees. Im not arguing or anything i was just curious about it.


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Re: Rye [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #3077817 - 09/01/04 01:45 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Can you explain the reasons for simmering more?

I've never simmered anything, and always had great results. Great to the point of me thinking that it would be very hard to improve in any way.

Also have you done any comparisons?


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Re: Rye [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #3078173 - 09/01/04 03:49 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

At higher temps the myc has a hard time fruiting (but it will) and tries to keep growing like in the jars and can cause overlay.

Simmering is for adding the water


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Re: Rye [Re: Magash]
    #3083199 - 09/02/04 04:40 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Magash and Dr. Nick Riviera I am also trying to understand this part:

3. I pour out the water and fill and shake and pour that out. Put in a pot and the water is ready to simmer for 45 min. During the simmer is when the water is added to the grain

4. Simmer the grain and then rinse with water. I like to pour 6 gallons threw the grain. (no reason for 6 it?s just a me thing) The grain is ready to be put into jars and PCd.

I read your replies, but you lost me. Here are my questions...

You say "during the simmer is when the water is added to the grain". Are you just stating the rye absorbs some of the water, or you telling us to manually add more water during simmering? How much? Is the simmering done in a regular pot? What heat?

Then in step 4 you rinse with water, so I assume you pour out all the water left from simmering and then put fresh water in, rinse and drain? What about what you were saying how the water in the bottom is just pure nutrient juice?

Also, you said you add 6 gallons of water. This sounds like a shitload, how much rye are you using? Also what is the purpose of initially putting 1 cup of rye in each jar? You just put it all together, sterilize and redistribute right?

Is it not necessary to use a layer of dry verm or a layer of tinfoil on top as a contam prevention?

Last question I swear - what is your method for getting the colonized substrate out of the narrow necked jar?

Many thanks!


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Re: Rye [Re: ricelicker]
    #3083608 - 09/02/04 06:03 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

1. Regular pot the rest is implied in the word "simmer"

2. What about what you were saying how the water in the bottom is just pure nutrient juice? > There is nothing like that in my post.

3. Also, you said you add 6 gallons of water. This sounds like a shitload, how much rye are you using? No, the posts says that I rinse with 6 gallons.


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Re: Rye [Re: Magash]
    #3083957 - 09/02/04 07:33 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I just started my first shroom project on rye. It's been five or six days since we innoculated our jars (three pints and a half pint). The half pint is colonizing well, and one of the pint jars has started to colonize. The other two pint jars have shown no signs of growth so far. I think the pint jars might be too dry, and I'm wondering if this sounds likely.


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Re: Rye [Re: Heffy]
    #3083976 - 09/02/04 07:39 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

It would be hard for me to say without a pic. There are many reasons this can be happining.


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Re: Rye [Re: Magash]
    #3084209 - 09/02/04 08:38 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Hey I have seen this before!!!!

And it always looks better the second time.

Magash great write up


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Re: Rye [Re: Magash]
    #3084228 - 09/02/04 08:46 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Magash said:

3. Also, you said you add 6 gallons of water. This sounds like a shitload, how much rye are you using? No, the posts says that I rinse with 6 gallons.




OK, lol it just "threw" me off because you used that spelling of through (threw) and while you meant your ran 6 gallons of water through the rye and essentially drained it again, I thought you meant you threw in 6 gallons of water into a bowl with the rye. My fault.

But about what that other dude was saying, how can we make sure the rye doesn't get too dry?

And the part about nutrients in the water - sorry, I forgot I read that in Ryche's tek. Curious about the contradiction.

And you missed these:

Is it not necessary to use a layer of dry verm or a layer of tinfoil on top as contam prevention?

What is your method for getting the colonized substrate out of the narrow necked jar?

Thanks much,


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Edited by ricelicker (09/02/04 08:50 PM)


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Re: Rye [Re: ricelicker]
    #3084630 - 09/02/04 10:58 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I will post pics when I have access to a digital camera. In the meantime it would suffice to know how much water (roughly) should go into each jar with the rye.


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Re: Rye [Re: Heffy]
    #3084692 - 09/02/04 11:08 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

why is this not a sticky?!


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