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United States of America The New Age Empire
    #3038968 - 08/23/04 11:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I believe the USA is a new age empire. I would like to compare to Classical Rome, the greatest empire to human knowledge.

a) Rome had a vast army, that dominated those of which opposed it, equally the United States is the most renownd army, because of its numbers but i think because they are the only country with the 'Balls' to use a weapon of MASS destruction. I guess when u have 'Balls' you seem to loose your ability to reason.

b) Rome uses its vast number's not just for conquer, but for economic purposes. It would divide its army numbers and take over small towns and cities. But instead of destroying them they asked them to join them creating allies and imposing their type of Gov. on them. This lead them to increase their economy and even further its ability for trade. USA uses its vast numbers for supposedly freeing the world from Tyrant rulers, but what is really behind lets say, the 'War' in Iraq? They went in without the consent of the most highly regarded peace organization in the World (United Nation) and went on and 'freed' Iraqis (spelling?) from their Tyrant ruler, and imposing their Capitalist Gov. on them. We all know that Iraq and other such nations in the Middle-east have the highest concentration of 'Black gold' or Oil. Im sure that if Iraq will in the future be an ally to the U.S.A, after they have defeated the militant group keeping the country in seige. This will make Higher and more effecient trade for the 'Black Gold' among these nations significantly increasing the already inflated U.S. Economy.

c) Empires Downfall: Rome although its empire lasted roughly 300-700 years (long time) it came down with a huge crash. Why, you ask? Well its simple, Baaaad Leaders or Rulers in Rome's case. Much like the U.S., Rome was first led by the greatest leader in Rome's history, Augustine if im not mistaken was the Nick name given to him. U.S.A was first led and founded by Abraham (last name?), this led the U.S. into a Golden era, of econimical growth. Nearing the end of Romes time, the Ceaser was a Fat man who watch his own empire crumble before him. This happend partly because he was an idiot and partly because of misplaced funds and overly lavish spending. In contrast George W. is in my eyes a complete dumbass who i think (if he gets in power again) will lead to the fall of this new age empire.



Comments? Contructive crit will be much appreciated. :smirk:



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Re: United States of America The New Age Empire [Re: Mad_Buhdda_Abuser]
    #3039112 - 08/23/04 12:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'd say that we are an empire, however the word empire may sound bad to some I find it to be quite pleasing.

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They went in without the consent of the most highly regarded peace organization in the World (United Nation)




the United Nations isn't a peace organization as far as I know.

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U.S.A was first led and founded by Abraham (last name?), this led the U.S. into a Golden era




Our first leader of the United States was Pres. George Washington. You're not referring to Abraham Lincoln are you?


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Re: United States of America The New Age Empire [Re: Mad_Buhdda_Abuser]
    #3039136 - 08/23/04 12:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I heard something once on the History Channel(I think) where some expert they were interviewing called the U.S. "The empire which dares not speak its name." In other words, we are the only empire to deny that we are an empire.


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Re: United States of America The New Age Empire [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3039173 - 08/23/04 12:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You're not referring to Abraham Lincoln are you?



Lincoln turned the United States from a federation of independent states into a single nation, from a republic into a nascent empire. He and his generals laid the groundwork for the Indian wars and the genocide of the American Indians. Why do you think that Indian tribes sided with the Confederacy? They knew what was to come.


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Re: United States of America The New Age Empire [Re: Mad_Buhdda_Abuser]
    #3039178 - 08/23/04 12:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think its closer to a militeristic Hegemony. Empire implies a system of government someone different from what the US has right now, but give it time....


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Re: United States of America The New Age Empire [Re: Evolving]
    #3039201 - 08/23/04 01:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"U.S.A was first led and founded by Abraham (last name?), this led the U.S. into a Golden era"

that's not what he said here.


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Re: United States of America The New Age Empire [Re: Mad_Buhdda_Abuser]
    #3039208 - 08/23/04 01:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"he United Nations isn't a peace organization as far as I know."

I know it is one which promotes peace to the fullest extent, its symbol has the infamous olive branch most commonly asscosiated with peace. Sure its not 100% peace oriented but a huge part of it is keeping order and peace between nations.

Sorry about the mistake George washington was the first pres, but what i meant was what 'Evolving' wrote down. thx for the clear.

"I'd say that we are an empire, however the word empire may sound bad to some I find it to be quite pleasing."

An empire that uses force to impose its beliefes on other people is pleasing to you???? WHY!?


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Re: United States of America The New Age Empire [Re: Mad_Buhdda_Abuser]
    #3039258 - 08/23/04 01:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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An empire that uses force to impose its beliefes on other people is pleasing to you???? WHY!?




It's debateable that the United States forcefully imposes it's beliefs on other nations. Did we force Europe to adopt some of our culture?

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What pleases me is that many cultures are incorporating some american traits. I happen to like the american culture.


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Edited by Innvertigo (08/23/04 01:24 PM)


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Re: United States of America The New Age Empire [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3039263 - 08/23/04 01:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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It's debateable that the United States forcefully imposes it's beliefs on other nations.



What? Iraq, 'Democracy', etc.


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Re: United States of America The New Age Empire [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3039389 - 08/23/04 01:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

first things first, Iraq will never be democracy. The minute the United States leaves it will go back to what it was before....a shithole.


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Re: United States of America The New Age Empire [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3039411 - 08/23/04 01:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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first things first, Iraq will never be democracy. The minute the United States leaves it will go back to what it was before....a shithole.



Will imposed through force regardless. Second things?


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Re: United States of America The New Age Empire [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3039451 - 08/23/04 02:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

We didn't invade them to make them a democracy. so first thing's first.


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Re: United States of America The New Age Empire [Re: Mad_Buhdda_Abuser]
    #3039479 - 08/23/04 02:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You did invade them in attempt to change them into and democracy. Are you saying USA invaded iraq just to take saddam out of power??? I dont think that was the plan, as i saw in Fox news, "the new Iraq".

"What? Iraq, 'Democracy', etc."
Can u be more clear??

No offense, but what exactly is U.S. Culture? To me its really just culture from other countries, actually i think the U.S. has adopted much more euro customs than the other way around....


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Re: United States of America The New Age Empire [Re: Mad_Buhdda_Abuser]
    #3039480 - 08/23/04 02:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Just remember this peeps. No matter what anyone says, America's influence will continue to grow. Tons of people have talked about how it will fall and stands no chance against the world, hah. I doubt that will happen, Rome dealt with the same problems and overcame them. I say USA has AT LEAST 400 more years to roll over peeps, fo sho.


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Re: United States of America The New Age Empire [Re: downforpot]
    #3039484 - 08/23/04 02:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Theres no doubt, an empire usually last up to 700 years, but like history shows us it will fall and how!!!

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Re: United States of America The New Age Empire [Re: Mad_Buhdda_Abuser]
    #3039490 - 08/23/04 02:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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"What? Iraq, 'Democracy', etc."
Can u be more clear??




Actually no, I couldn't be more clear if I wanted. He said the US didn't go around imposing its will(values) on others via force, I responded with the democratization of Iraq as an immensely clear example of just such an occurance.


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Re: United States of America The New Age Empire [Re: Mad_Buhdda_Abuser]
    #3039500 - 08/23/04 02:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You did invade them in attempt to change them into and democracy




you're wrong, the intention had nothing to do with making them a denocracy.

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No offense, but what exactly is U.S. Culture? To me its really just culture from other countries, actually i think the U.S. has adopted much more euro customs than the other way around....




ofcourse that's true (somewhat obvious) because we came from Europe, however to deny that there is an American culture is silly.


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Re: United States of America The New Age Empire [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3039511 - 08/23/04 02:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

so you're saying the reason that we went into Iraq was to turn them into a democracy?


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Re: United States of America The New Age Empire [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3039523 - 08/23/04 02:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The US is probably the most diverse country right now. I wouldn't say it's free from prejudice but it's the most diverse. And tons of people want in here even though they bitch at what this country is doing, but they know they want a piece of the blueberry pie.


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Re: United States of America The New Age Empire [Re: downforpot]
    #3039532 - 08/23/04 02:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

*apple pie

I agree with you.


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