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 Ravus
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 Desire 
#3038511 - 08/23/04 02:21 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was going to respond to a post in the Pub asking about what your dreams are... but then upon thinking of it I realize I don't really have any dreams. More than that, I don't even seem to have any noticeable desires. This has been the end result of my mindset since I was a young teen, combined with meditation and entheogens. Desires seem to fade away and you start to live in the moment, without wishing for the future or hating the past, as we so often do
So what are desires then? As a whole it seems many people would be much more content without desires, or would that just be unhealthy apathy and disattachment from the universe? Why do so many humans encourage the benefits of dreaming when the vast majority of people will be let down in their highest dreams? I prefer to be content and relaxed with the moment, not tense over whether the future will be as I plan it to be, or the past will ruin my chances to fulfill desires that will become insignificant when I die, and the rest of the human race one day follows, and then one day the universe
Desire: necessary to give birth to a dancing star, or simply unneeded stress?
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Re: Desire [Re: Ravus]
#3038514 - 08/23/04 02:22 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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desire is motivation to be desireless. / ?
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Ravus
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Re: Desire [Re: BleaK]
#3038530 - 08/23/04 02:41 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why would desire be motivation to be desireless? To be desireless is like a dropping a rock you've been carrying around for years, you don't need to pick up a smaller rock to do it, just let go of it and walk on without stress
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Re: Desire [Re: Ravus]
#3038597 - 08/23/04 03:38 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Desire is merely an untamed mind.Like an unleashed animal it runs all over creating problems.It wants everything.Why?Because it cant have it or doesnt have it.What does the untamed mind do with something once it gets it?Its content for a short time like a child at christmas but soon the item/thing get pushed aside and a new obsession takes hold and the cycle starts all over.Most people are slaves to their mind.Desire, intense emotion, false hunger, ego, hatred, greed, etc...the list goes on.
Living in the moment provides release from the wants of tomorrow and yesterday.If one tames the mind only the desires at the very moment matter.Much less stress and worry and need.One must learn to tame the mind guarding it carefully against the illusions of Desire, intense emotion, false hunger, ego, hatred, greed, etc.Intense emotion only causes grief and is usually inappropiate.The only intense emotions one should feel is love in its various forms.All others must be in moderation.
There's much more to wanting than to having.Wanting things keeps one happy and with goals.Having creates unhappiness and leaves nothing.One can have all the money and everything they want but soo they will become unhappy.The one with nothing is truly happiest.Why?No attachments to material items.Nothing to worry about materially.No fear of broken/lost items.No fear of robbery.No worries materially at all.
Desire is a trap which snares the foolhardy and keeps them tightly entrapped.One does not need desire.
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Do not desire to reach a high level.Rather work without thought of reward to iron out flaws and impurities in one's self for the sake of one's self.When one has done this one needs not to desire anymore. http://www.lifeforceonlinestore.com/yc/
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Re: Desire [Re: Ravus]
#3038608 - 08/23/04 03:49 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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desire..theres two sides to it just like everything eles in the universe...to desire the infinite positve ..... thats my desire
stress? well depends on what you desire? do you desire something you cant have?
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Ravus
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Stress does not just come from not attaining your object of desire. Even if you get what you desire, you will worry about whether or not it will be stolen. When it gets damaged, you will worry and throw more money at it to fix it. When it finally breaks for good, you will stress even more, as your object of desire has gone. Desire inevitably will lead to stress, because of its finite and fragile objects that represent it
As for there being duality to all things in the universe, I disagree on that. There is not "good" desire and "bad" desire, but there is just the levels of desire, the actions of desire, and the attainment of desire. It is all one that we make seem good or bad by our own ego and prejudices
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Re: Desire [Re: Ravus]
#3041342 - 08/23/04 08:43 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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I thought this post was about me!
Hehe..JK!
For me desire is motivation. Motivation do go after something that makes me happy. It's like setting goals for myself. The things I desire in life will ultimately make me reach my goals and make me a happy girl!
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Swami
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No, we use PMs to talk about you behind your back.
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deff
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Re: Desire [Re: Swami]
#3042014 - 08/23/04 11:04 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shut up, you're gonna ruin everything
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CaRnAgECaNdY
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Re: Desire [Re: deff]
#3042031 - 08/23/04 11:11 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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deff
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Re: Desire [Re: Swami]
#3042038 - 08/23/04 11:14 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think we're still good...
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Re: Desire [Re: deff]
#3042072 - 08/23/04 11:27 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shhh - check your messages.
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deff
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Re: Desire [Re: Swami]
#3042096 - 08/23/04 11:32 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah she seems like a very nice girl to me too
Edited by deff (08/23/04 11:38 PM)
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CaRnAgECaNdY
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Re: Desire [Re: Swami]
#3042098 - 08/23/04 11:33 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey,
Isn't there a forum for off-topic discussion?
I say we swing on by there! 
Or are we still talking about desire!! 
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Re: Desire [Re: deff]
#3042114 - 08/23/04 11:37 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Definitely out of bounds there Deff.  Delete now before the mods chew your ass or Desiree slaps you silly.
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deff
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Re: Desire [Re: Ravus]
#3042127 - 08/23/04 11:40 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Did that cross your character's exhibition of morality?
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CaRnAgECaNdY
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Re: Desire [Re: deff]
#3042130 - 08/23/04 11:41 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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deff
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Thanks a lot swami...
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Re: Desire [Re: deff]
#3042156 - 08/23/04 11:51 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nice correction. I am proud of you.
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deff
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Re: Desire [Re: Swami]
#3042167 - 08/23/04 11:55 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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do i get ice cream now?1
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