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Invisibleretread
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Why I'm not voting for Kerry...
    #3037425 - 08/22/04 09:34 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

People always seem to ask me why I'm voting for Bush (most likely) and they get upset that I say "Because he isn't John Kerry" (even though thats the main reason people will vote for Kerry). Well, here is the reason that I'm not voting for Kerry. I hope this doesn't deteroriate into a litany of reasons why Bush sucks, because I concede the point that he does, I just think he sucks a little bit less than Kerry.

Kerry flipflops on his positions to get favor with the masses, then does as he pleases. He went to Vietnam and "exaggerated" his performance there to recieve medals, thinking that being a war hero would push his political career forward. He comes back and realizes it won't, so he lies under oath to Congress about the atrocities that he saw and took place in Vietnam to cater favor with the majority. He voted against the first Gulf War, now he thinks it was a just war. He voted for the recent invasion of Iraq, and now he backtracked on it and is speaking out against it. He voted for the PATRIOT act, and now speaks out against it.

George Bush might make alot of stupid mistakes and believe things that aren't in agreement with my beleifs, but at least I know where he stands. He won't pretend to like one thing to cater to voters (such as Kerrys seperation of hunters and gun owners and numerous flip flops).

So, any comments on this? Why would you vote for someone who changes positions on issues so often? Do you think he is a demogogue?


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Re: Why I'm not voting for Kerry... [Re: retread]
    #3037505 - 08/22/04 09:55 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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He went to Vietnam and "exaggerated" his performance there to recieve medals



I was under the impression that it was because they gave out purple hearts for scratches in order to keep up morale for the troops. 

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He comes back and realizes it won't, so he lies under oath to Congress about the atrocities that he saw and took place in Vietnam



isn't it his word against some others---some veterans who are surely deeply offended by his actions against a war that they risked their lives for and probably had friends who gave their lives for

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to cater favor with the majority.



cater favor with the majority?? please, it took courage come back and protest the war when he nearly died for the cause.

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He voted for the PATRIOT act, and now speaks out against it.



The PATRIOT act was proposed during a time when we thought a wave of terrorist attacks following 9/11 was imminent.  now he just wants to allow the sunset clause to take effect--unlike bush, ashcroft & co.

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George Bush might make alot of stupid mistakes and believe things that aren't in agreement with my beleifs, but at least I know where he stands.



who was it that said "the problem with the world is that the fools are cocksure and the intelligent are unsure"--or something to that effect.

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He won't pretend to like one thing to cater to voters



representing the views of his constitutents?? oh the horror :shocked:


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Re: Why I'm not voting for Kerry... [Re: retread]
    #3037524 - 08/22/04 09:58 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

why im not voting for bush... oh wait i would have to write a fucking book listing the reasons..my favorite reason is jesus, i hate christianity(and most other organized religion) sooo much that id vote for any candidate who actually says they will keep religion seperate from state...kerry said he would, thats good enuff for me....i have a million other reasons i hate bush but im tipsy and dont feel like typing a novel


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Re: Why I'm not voting for Kerry... [Re: retread]
    #3037533 - 08/22/04 10:01 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

and so the fuck what if he voted for and against the patriot act?? i mean shit cant someone change their mind?? maybe he was caught up in all the craziness after 9/11 and signed it...when things calmed down he may have realized it was a mistake..i like someone that can admit they were wrong...unlike that smug, arrogant prick GW bush who will NEVER admit he is wrong...he needs a swift kick to the ballz


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Re: Why I'm not voting for Kerry... [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3037553 - 08/22/04 10:07 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Change his mind? The fucking asshole, along with a vast majority of fucking assholes in congress voted for The Patriot Act without reading it!!! ANYONE who votes for something like that without reading it is derelict in his duties and unfit for command. What is the dipshit going to do, sign bills without reading them too?


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Re: Why I'm not voting for Kerry... [Re: retread]
    #3037555 - 08/22/04 10:07 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Exactly King, people change their views, no? And if you dont believe 100% in any of the candidates dont vote, ride till you die but dont get off half way. PEACE MBA


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Re: Why I'm not voting for Kerry... [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3037571 - 08/22/04 10:11 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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KingOftheThing said:
and so the fuck what if he voted for and against the patriot act?? i mean shit cant someone change their mind?? maybe he was caught up in all the craziness after 9/11 and signed it...when things calmed down he may have realized it was a mistake..i like someone that can admit they were wrong...unlike that smug, arrogant prick GW bush who will NEVER admit he is wrong...he needs a swift kick to the ballz



Boo fucking hoo. Call me crazy but I'm not too keen on a leader that's going to BETRAY the principles on which this country was founded because he apparently can't maintain composure in the face of a national emergency. He didn't read the goddamn bill, that alone should set off alarm bells. Watching Kerry supporters try to play down the man's Patriot Act vote is almost as sad as watching them try to play down his Iraq vote.


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Re: Why I'm not voting for Kerry... [Re: Tao]
    #3037614 - 08/22/04 10:25 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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TaoTeChing said:
I was under the impression that it was because they gave out purple hearts for scratches in order to keep up morale for the troops. 




He asked to be written up for them, and he wrote some of the recommendations himself. The vast majority, we are talking like 99.99999999999% of people here, that saw combat didn't get their PH, certainly not multiple ones in FOUR MONTHS.
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isn't it his word against some others---some veterans who are surely deeply offended by his actions against a war that they risked their lives for and probably had friends who gave their lives for




He admitted that things he said he saw he never saw. Hence, lying under oath.
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cater favor with the majority?? please, it took courage come back and protest the war when he nearly died for the cause.




It took courage to expect that noone would see what he was doing. Trying to cater favor with the majority. Lets say that he came back, a decorated hero who never complained of these maybe-they-did-maybe-they-didn't occur atrocities when he was in country, and the war was popular. Do you think he'd have been Kerry the protestor, or Kerry the War Hero?
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representing the views of his constitutents?? oh the horror :shocked:



Were his constituents first for, then against, Iraq? Against, then for, the first war? A president should run on HIS beliefs, then see if the majority of the peopel side with him, rather than "Hey vote for me, and I'll do what the hecke ver I think might be popular at the time"!


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Re: Why I'm not voting for Kerry... [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3037626 - 08/22/04 10:27 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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KingOftheThing said:
and so the fuck what if he voted for and against the patriot act?? i mean shit cant someone change their mind?? maybe he was caught up in all the craziness after 9/11 and signed it...when things calmed down he may have realized it was a mistake..i like someone that can admit they were wrong...unlike that smug, arrogant prick GW bush who will NEVER admit he is wrong...he needs a swift kick to the ballz




So when Kerry makes a mistake, it's fine and dandy. He voted for Iraq II because he thought that their were WMD's, but that information was wrong, so he can be against it now. Bush did the same thing, and people want to drag him through the streets for it. Why am I responding to someone who uses "fucking asshole" in a political forum on the internet, I can't understand.


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Re: Why I'm not voting for Kerry... [Re: retread]
    #3037633 - 08/22/04 10:29 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Where do you live?


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Re: Why I'm not voting for Kerry... [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3037690 - 08/22/04 10:45 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

East Coast, near enough to travel to DC on a whim if I desire :smile:


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Re: Why I'm not voting for Kerry... [Re: retread]
    #3037705 - 08/22/04 10:48 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

so, basically you're not voting for Kerry because of his supposed flipflops? Well, what of Bush's major flipflops?

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July 7, 2004

From the beginning, George W. Bush has made his own credibility a central issue. On 10/11/00, then-Gov. Bush said: "I think credibility is important.It is going to be important for the president to be credible with Congress, important for the president to be credible with foreign nations." But President Bush's serial flip-flopping raises serious questions about whether Congress and foreign leaders can rely on what he says.

1. Social Security Surplus

BUSH PLEDGES NOT TO TOUCH SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS... "We're going to keep the promise of Social Security and keep the government from raiding the Social Security surplus." [President Bush, 3/3/01]

...BUSH SPENDS SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS The New York Times reported that "the president's new budget uses Social Security surpluses to pay for other programs every year through 2013, ultimately diverting more than $1.4 trillion in Social Security funds to other purposes." [The New York Times, 2/6/02]

2. Patient's Right to Sue

GOVERNOR BUSH VETOES PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "Despite his campaign rhetoric in favor of a patients' bill of rights, Bush fought such a bill tooth and nail as Texas governor, vetoing a bill coauthored by Republican state Rep. John Smithee in 1995. He... constantly opposed a patient's right to sue an HMO over coverage denied that resulted in adverse health effects." [Salon, 2/7/01]

...CANDIDATE BUSH PRAISES TEXAS PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "We're one of the first states that said you can sue an HMO for denying you proper coverage... It's time for our nation to come together and do what's right for the people. And I think this is right for the people. You know, I support a national patients' bill of rights, Mr. Vice President. And I want all people covered. I don't want the law to supersede good law like we've got in Texas." [Governor Bush, 10/17/00]

...PRESIDENT BUSH'S ADMINISTRATION ARGUES AGAINST RIGHT TO SUE "To let two Texas consumers, Juan Davila and Ruby R. Calad, sue their managed-care companies for wrongful denials of medical benefits ?would be to completely undermine' federal law regulating employee benefits, Assistant Solicitor General James A. Feldman said at oral argument March 23. Moreover, the administration's brief attacked the policy rationale for Texas's law, which is similar to statutes on the books in nine other states." [Washington Post, 4/5/04]

3. Tobacco Buyout

BUSH SUPPORTS CURRENT TOBACCO FARMERS' QUOTA SYSTEM... "They've got the quota system in place -- the allotment system -- and I don't think that needs to be changed." [President Bush, 5/04]

...BUSH ADMINISTRATION WILL SUPPORT FEDERAL BUYOUT OF TOBACCO QUOTAS "The administration is open to a buyout." [White House spokeswoman Jeanie Mamo, 6/18/04]

4. North Korea

BUSH WILL NOT OFFER NUCLEAR NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM... "We developed a bold approach under which, if the North addressed our long-standing concerns, the United States was prepared to take important steps that would have significantly improved the lives of the North Korean people. Now that North Korea's covert nuclear weapons program has come to light, we are unable to pursue this approach." [President's Statement, 11/15/02]

...BUSH ADMINISTRATION OFFERS NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM"Well, we will work to take steps to ease their political and economic isolation. So there would be -- what you would see would be some provisional or temporary proposals that would only lead to lasting benefit after North Korea dismantles its nuclear programs. So there would be some provisional or temporary efforts of that nature." [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 6/23/04]

5. Abortion

BUSH SUPPORTS A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE... "Bush said he...favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question." [The Nation, 6/15/00, quoting the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, 5/78]

...BUSH OPPOSES A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE "I am pro-life." [Governor Bush, 10/3/00]

6. OPEC

BUSH PROMISES TO FORCE OPEC TO LOWER PRICES... "What I think the president ought to do [when gas prices spike] is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC cartel and say we expect you to open your spigots...And the president of the United States must jawbone OPEC members to lower the price." [President Bush, 1/26/00]

...BUSH REFUSES TO LOBBY OPEC LEADERS With gas prices soaring in the United States at the beginning of 2004, the Miami Herald reported the president refused to "personally lobby oil cartel leaders to change their minds." [Miami Herald, 4/1/04]

7. Iraq Funding

BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004... "We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for '04" [White House Budget Director Joshua Bolton, 2/2/04]

...BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004 "I am requesting that Congress establish a $25 billion contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to meet all commitments to our troops." [President Bush, Statement by President, 5/5/04]

8. Condoleeza Rice Testimony

BUSH SPOKESMAN SAYS RICE WON'T TESTIFY AS 'A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE'... "Again, this is not her personal preference; this goes back to a matter of principle. There is a separation of powers issue involved here. Historically, White House staffers do not testify before legislative bodies. So it's a matter of principle, not a matter of preference." [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 3/9/04]

...BUSH ORDERS RICE TO TESTIFY: "Today I have informed the Commission on Terrorist Attacks Against the United States that my National Security Advisor, Dr. Condoleezza Rice, will provide public testimony." [President Bush, 3/30/04]

9. Science

BUSH PLEDGES TO ISSUE REGULATIONS BASED ON SCIENCE..."I think we ought to have high standards set by agencies that rely upon science, not by what may feel good or what sounds good." [then-Governor George W. Bush, 1/15/00]

...BUSH ADMINISTRATION REGULATIONS IGNORE SCIENCE "60 leading scientists?including Nobel laureates, leading medical experts, former federal agency directors and university chairs and presidents?issued a statement calling for regulatory and legislative action to restore scientific integrity to federal policymaking. According to the scientists, the Bush administration has, among other abuses, suppressed and distorted scientific analysis from federal agencies, and taken actions that have undermined the quality of scientific advisory panels." [Union of Concerned Scientists, 2/18/04]

10. Ahmed Chalabi

BUSH INVITES CHALABI TO STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS...President Bush also met with Chalabi during his brief trip to Iraq last Thanksgiving [White House Documents 1/20/04, 11/27/03]

...BUSH MILITARY ASSISTS IN RAID OF CHALABI'S HOUSE "U.S. soldiers raided the home of America's one-time ally Ahmad Chalabi on Thursday and seized documents and computers." [Washington Post, 5/20/04]

11. Department of Homeland Security

BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY..."So, creating a Cabinet office doesn't solve the problem. You still will have agencies within the federal government that have to be coordinated. So the answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn't solve anything." [White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, 3/19/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY "So tonight, I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department with an overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and protecting the American people." [President Bush, Address to the Nation, 6/6/02]

12. Weapons of Mass Destruction

BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION..."We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories...for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03]

...BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION "David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons.And when David Kay goes in and says we haven't found stockpiles yet, and there's theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out." [President Bush, Meet the Press, 2/7/04]

13. Free Trade

BUSH SUPPORTS FREE TRADE... "I believe strongly that if we promote trade, and when we promote trade, it will help workers on both sides of this issue." [President Bush in Peru, 3/23/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS RESTRICTIONS ON TRADE "In a decision largely driven by his political advisers, President Bush set aside his free-trade principles last year and imposed heavy tariffs on imported steel to help out struggling mills in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, two states crucial for his reelection." [Washington Post, 9/19/03]

14. Osama Bin Laden

BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE... "I want justice. And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 09/17/01]

...BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA "I don't know where he is.You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him."[President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]

15. The Environment

BUSH SUPPORTS MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE... "[If elected], Governor Bush will work to...establish mandatory reduction targets for emissions of four main pollutants: sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide, mercury and carbon dioxide." [Bush Environmental Plan, 9/29/00]

...BUSH OPPOSES MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE "I do not believe, however, that the government should impose on power plants mandatory emissions reductions for carbon dioxide, which is not a 'pollutant' under the Clean Air Act." [President Bush, Letter to Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), 3/13/03]

16. WMD Commission

BUSH RESISTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE... "The White House immediately turned aside the calls from Kay and many Democrats for an immediate outside investigation, seeking to head off any new wide-ranging election-year inquiry that might go beyond reports already being assembled by congressional committees and the Central Intelligence Agency." [NY Times, 1/29/04]

...BUSH SUPPORTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE "Today, by executive order, I am creating an independent commission, chaired by Governor and former Senator Chuck Robb, Judge Laurence Silberman, to look at American intelligence capabilities, especially our intelligence about weapons of mass destruction." [President Bush, 2/6/04]

17. Creation of the 9/11 Commission

BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11." [CBS News, 5/23/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION "President Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks." [ABC News, 09/20/02]

18. Time Extension for 9/11 Commission

BUSH OPPOSES TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush and House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) have decided to oppose granting more time to an independent commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks." [Washington Post, 1/19/04]

...BUSH SUPPORTS TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION "The White House announced Wednesday its support for a request from the commission investigating the September 11, 2001 attacks for more time to complete its work." [CNN, 2/4/04]

19. One Hour Limit for 9/11 Commission Testimony

BUSH LIMITS TESTIMONY IN FRONT OF 9/11 COMMISSION TO ONE HOUR... "President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have placed strict limits on the private interviews they will grant to the federal commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks, saying that they will meet only with the panel's top two officials and that Mr. Bush will submit to only a single hour of questioning, commission members said Wednesday." [NY Times, 2/26/04]

...BUSH SETS NO TIMELIMIT FOR TESTIMONY "The president's going to answer all of the questions they want to raise. Nobody's watching the clock." [White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 3/10/04]

20. Gay Marriage

BUSH SAYS GAY MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE... "The state can do what they want to do. Don't try to trap me in this state's issue like you're trying to get me into." [Gov. George W. Bush on Gay Marriage, Larry King Live, 2/15/00]

...BUSH SUPPORTS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING GAY MARRIAGE "Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union of man and woman as husband and wife." [President Bush, 2/24/04]

21. Nation Building

BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING... "If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road." [Gov. George W. Bush, 10/3/00]

...BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING "We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people." [President Bush, 3/6/03]

22. Saddam/al Qaeda Link

BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL QAEDA AND SADDAM... "You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror." [President Bush, 9/25/02]

...BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11." [President Bush, 9/17/03]

23. U.N. Resolution

BUSH VOWS TO HAVE A UN VOTE NO MATTER WHAT... "No matter what the whip count is, we're calling for the vote. We want to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet. It's time for people to show their cards, to let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam." [President Bush 3/6/03]

...BUSH WITHDRAWS REQUEST FOR VOTE "At a National Security Council meeting convened at the White House at 8:55 a.m., Bush finalized the decision to withdraw the resolution from consideration and prepared to deliver an address to the nation that had already been written." [Washington Post, 3/18/03]

24. Involvement in the Palestinian Conflict

BUSH OPPOSES SUMMITS... "Well, we've tried summits in the past, as you may remember. It wasn't all that long ago where a summit was called and nothing happened, and as a result we had significant intifada in the area." [President Bush, 04/05/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS SUMMITS "If a meeting advances progress toward two states living side by side in peace, I will strongly consider such a meeting. I'm committed to working toward peace in the Middle East." [President Bush, 5/23/03]

25. Campaign Finance

BUSH OPPOSES MCCAIN-FEINGOLD... "George W. Bush opposes McCain-Feingold...as an infringement on free expression." [Washington Post, 3/28/2000]

...BUSH SIGNS MCCAIN-FEINGOLD INTO LAW "[T]his bill improves the current system of financing for Federal campaigns, and therefore I have signed it into law." [President Bush, at the McCain-Feingold signing ceremony, 03/27/02]




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Re: Why I'm not voting for Kerry... [Re: Vvellum]
    #3037722 - 08/22/04 10:53 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Ok. Show me where Badnaric/Campagna flip-flopped?


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Re: Why I'm not voting for Kerry... [Re: retread]
    #3037723 - 08/22/04 10:53 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

retread, i don't know where you are getting your information but you are getting spun out of control by it. At this point there is nothing anyone in the world, even you, can do to change your mind about that.

The flip flopping and the vietnam exagaration is just spout from the propoganda machine.


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Re: Why I'm not voting for Kerry... [Re: Worf]
    #3037739 - 08/22/04 10:56 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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outputrotation said:
retread, i don't know where you are getting your information but you are getting spun out of control by it. At this point there is nothing anyone in the world, even you, can do to change your mind about that.




I have no idea what you mean
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The flip flopping and the vietnam exagaration is just spout from the propoganda machine.



Riight. Nice to see you didn't substantiate your belief with things such as fully phrased sentances that enumerated your positions, or links backing them up.


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Re: Why I'm not voting for Kerry... [Re: retread]
    #3037768 - 08/22/04 11:05 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Ok. Show me where Badnaric/Campagna flip-flopped?




Neither Badnarik and Campagna have ever held office. Therefore, it would be difficult to dig up the typical political career record. Are you considering voting Libertarian? If so, I can respect that 100x more than voting for Bush Inc.


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Re: Why I'm not voting for Kerry... [Re: Vvellum]
    #3037807 - 08/22/04 11:17 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I most likely will vote libertarian. If Kerry wins, I'll let the 'publicans know what they can do to get my vote next time. If Bush wins, I'll be happier than if Kerry wins. If Kerry wins, it'll be a step closer to the whole shithouse going up in flames, so I'll be able to take solace in that. It honestly really doesn't matter that much to me who the president is, I'll do pretty much what I want to, as I always have, and try to fly under the radar. If he makes my reefer legal, which he won't, that'll be cool and I'll give him some credit for it. If he tries to ban my guns, that won't be cool, and I'll feel bad for the families of whomever comes to take them from me. I pretty much do what I damn well please, it's just a matter of how low-pro I have to go about it :smile:


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Re: Why I'm not voting for Kerry... [Re: retread]
    #3037825 - 08/22/04 11:20 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

why not let kerry win for the very fact that it will begin balancing the branches of government?
Having all three branches with a majority of neocan "republicans" is NOT healthy. I dont care how bad Kerry is, he will not be able to fuck up as badly as the neocons have, just because he will have two branches to deal with.


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Re: Why I'm not voting for Kerry... [Re: vampirism]
    #3037848 - 08/22/04 11:25 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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why not let kerry win for the very fact that it will begin balancing the branches of government?
Having all three branches with a majority of neocan "republicans" is NOT healthy. I dont care how bad Kerry is, he will not be able to fuck up as badly as the neocons have, just because he will have two branches to deal with.




I'm not intereted in using my vote to "balance out" other peoples votes. I don't think that I want a president, who was voted in, to sit in the white house and play party-games and veto the laws passed by other people who were voted into office.


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Re: Why I'm not voting for Kerry... [Re: retread]
    #3038671 - 08/23/04 07:34 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

You don't appear to be interested in picking someone with a chance of winning, and making a difference either.

It will take more than your vote to get a Liberatarian in office. How about volunteering your time?


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