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Re: 14 year old tells Blair the truth [Re: Xlea321]
    #3028802 - 08/20/04 02:17 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

This for starters:

"she criticised the Prime Minister for dispatching troops to "a war over oil and money".
"that's what I think the war is all about."

She probably never even heard of 1441...sort of like you. Are you two related?


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Re: 14 year old tells Blair the truth [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3028828 - 08/20/04 02:25 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

What exactly did you hear about 1441? The UN rejected the invasion of Iraq. Sounds like she knows a damn sight more than you do.

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Re: 14 year old tells Blair the truth [Re: Xlea321]
    #3028833 - 08/20/04 02:26 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

> Can you tell us where she is wrong?

Quote:

My big brother died at the age of 19, and what for? A war over oil and money, that's what I think the war is all about. There was no such thing as weapons of 'mass destruction'.




The old Iraqi system mislead the world into believing that it has weapons of mass destruction. Had they worked with the UN to prove that they did not have any weaopns, then you would have an argument to work with. Saddam bluffed, we called his bluff, and a lot of people are getting killed because of it. If the girl wants to blame somebody for her brothers death, she should be pointing her finger at Saddam, and Saddam alone. He is the only person in the world that could have prevented the current state of affairs in Iraq.


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Re: 14 year old tells Blair the truth [Re: Seuss]
    #3028864 - 08/20/04 02:33 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

The old Iraqi system mislead the world into believing that it has weapons of mass destruction

I'm not sure it did. Scott Ritter said he believed Iraq had been 98% disarmed during his time as a weapons inspector. There were plenty of people who didn't buy the idea that Iraq had WMD. There was a recent interview with heads of UK intelligence who said the intelligence was terribly weak.

Saddam bluffed, we called his bluff

You really think the war was down to WMD? There was no other reason why Iraq was invaded?

and a lot of people are getting killed because of it.

Not strictly accurate. A lot of people are getting killed because George Bush launched an invasion of Iraq in blatant defiance of the UN and international law.

He is the only person in the world that could have prevented the current state of affairs in Iraq.

I think Bush could've done a little bit to prevent it by not launching the invasion.

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Re: 14 year old tells Blair the truth [Re: Xlea321]
    #3029012 - 08/20/04 03:15 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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What exactly did you hear about 1441?




don't play stupid Alex.


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Re: 14 year old tells Blair the truth [Re: Xlea321]
    #3029046 - 08/20/04 03:19 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

> Scott Ritter said he believed Iraq had been 98% disarmed during his time as a weapons inspector.

Even Scott Ritter admits that there was a 1 in 50 chance that Iraq had WMDs.

> There were plenty of people who didn't buy the idea that Iraq had WMD.

And yet nobody knew for sure because Saddam would not cooporate with the UN inspectors.

> You really think the war was down to WMD?

Not as much so as I used to, but to some degree, yes. I also think that money and oil are part of it as well, along with a lot of other factors. You really think that the invasion was based only on money and oil, nothing else?

> A lot of people are getting killed because George Bush launched an invasion of Iraq in blatant defiance of the UN and international law.

I agree that Bush was trigger happy, and that he should not have done what was done without the backing of the UN... but again, to blame the deaths of the innocent people on Bush and Bush alone is ignorant. Bush could have handled things a lot better. Germany and France could have handled things a lot better. Saddam could have handled things a lot better. The UN could have taken a more active role.

Again, had Saddam worked with the UN to prove that he had no WMDs, Bush would have had nothing to use as an excuse to invade.

> I think Bush could've done a little bit to prevent it by not launching the invasion.

That is like the rapist saying that the woman was wearing tight clothes; obviously her fault that he had to rape her. I am not defending Bush here... I am extremly upset over his actions as president, but Saddam is 100% responsible for what happened to his people and to his country.


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Re: 14 year old tells Blair the truth [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3029052 - 08/20/04 03:20 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think he's playing.


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Re: 14 year old tells Blair the truth [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3029135 - 08/20/04 03:46 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Do you have a point?

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Re: 14 year old tells Blair the truth [Re: Evolving]
    #3029163 - 08/20/04 03:54 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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Evolving said:
Perhaps Alex finds kindred intellects in 14 year olds, hence the affection for their opinions.



Fabulous. Accurate. Wise.


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Re: 14 year old tells Blair the truth [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #3029176 - 08/20/04 04:00 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

>> Perhaps Alex finds kindred intellects in 14 year olds, hence the affection for their opinions.
> Fabulous. Accurate. Wise.

Waste... please debate the subject, not the poster.


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Re: 14 year old tells Blair the truth [Re: Seuss]
    #3029189 - 08/20/04 04:03 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Even Scott Ritter admits that there was a 1 in 50 chance that Iraq had WMDs.

Where did he say this? In what context?

And yet nobody knew for sure because Saddam would not cooporate with the UN inspectors.

They knew there was precious little, if any, evidence for their existence.

You really think that the invasion was based only on money and oil, nothing else?

We can debate about what it was about. Money and oil come first obviously, but they also wanted to install a puppet dictator and have a military power base in the middle east.

One thing for sure - it certainly had nothing whatsoever to do with the non-existent "threat" of WMD.

Bush could have handled things a lot better. Germany and France could have handled things a lot better.

Sure. But lets not try and say there's some sort of equivalence between Bush launching an invasion and butchering thousands upon thousands of innocent people and the UN not taking a more active role.

That is like the rapist saying that the woman was wearing tight clothes

How do you figure? Surely it's the other way around. Bush launched the invasion in defiance of the UN and international law, not Saddam. I believe you blame the guy who launches the invasion first. Everyone else comes way, way down the scale.

but Saddam is 100% responsible for what happened to his people and to his country.

No, Saddam let the weapons inspectors into Iraq and as Blix says they were making enormous progress. So much progress Bush realised they were soon going to find out there were no WMD and that he had to withdraw them and launch the invasion quickly.

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Re: 14 year old tells Blair the truth [Re: Seuss]
    #3029208 - 08/20/04 04:08 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Waste... please debate the subject, not the poster.

You're sorely needed as a mod around here Seuss  :smile:

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Re: 14 year old tells Blair the truth [Re: ]
    #3030987 - 08/21/04 12:19 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: 14 year old tells Blair the truth [Re: ]
    #3031179 - 08/21/04 01:16 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Insert standard comment about how Saddam killed so many civilians etc. here to avoid the issue

:thumbup:

The mass graves too..don't forget the mass graves...

Downing Street has admitted to The Observer that repeated claims by Tony Blair that '400,000 bodies had been found in Iraqi mass graves' is untrue, and only about 5,000 corpses have so far been uncovered.
The claims by Blair in November and December of last year, were given
widespread credence, quoted by MPs and widely published, including in the introduction to a US government pamphlet on Iraq's mass graves.
In that publication - Iraq's Legacy of Terror: Mass Graves produced by USAID, the US government aid distribution agency, Blair is quoted from 20 November last year: 'We've already discovered, just so far, the remains of 400,000 people in mass graves.' On 14 December Blair repeated the claim in a statement issued by Downing
Street in response to the arrest of Saddam Hussein and posted on the Labour party website that: 'The remains of 400,000 human beings [have] already [been] found in mass graves.'..

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