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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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OfflineSeussA
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Define life?
    #3023101 - 08/19/04 08:38 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I have been trying to come up with a good definition of life. So far, the best definition that I have found is: Life is the opposite of entropy. I am trying to find a definition that works for any form of life, real or imaginary (such as smart machines, alien beings, etc...)

Is this a good definition, or not. Can anybody come up with something better?


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Re: Define life? [Re: Seuss]
    #3023159 - 08/19/04 08:46 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

To me, the opposite of entrophy means growth and expansion and if that be life, then trying to define it will only lead you back into entrophy  :crazy:


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Re: Define life? [Re: Seuss]
    #3023227 - 08/19/04 08:57 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Also, the only genetic mutations that have been witnessed by scientists thus far, to my knowledge, have been losses of genetic material suggesting that evolution is entropic too?


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OfflineSeussA
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Re: Define life? [Re: Zoso_UK]
    #3023349 - 08/19/04 09:19 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

> Also, the only genetic mutations that have been witnessed by scientists thus far, to my knowledge, have been losses of genetic material

Most often are replacements... a T instead of a G, for example... seldom is something just dropped out. (from my limited understanding of this field)


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Re: Define life? [Re: Seuss]
    #3023991 - 08/19/04 11:44 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

There's a few criteria for life:

- Spontaneous self-reorganisation (production of entropy)
- Reproduction
- Chemical reaction to its environment

I think there's one more, but I forgot.


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Re: Define life? [Re: Seuss]
    #3023994 - 08/19/04 11:46 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

life is a time period of sensory perception.


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Re: Define life? [Re: TODAY]
    #3024033 - 08/19/04 11:56 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

What constitutes as sensory perception?


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Re: Define life? [Re: psyka]
    #3024040 - 08/19/04 11:57 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

sight, sound, touch, and taste. and thought is simply how we organize and make sense of these things.


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Re: Define life? [Re: TODAY]
    #3024052 - 08/19/04 11:59 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

So are cells alive?


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Re: Define life? [Re: Seuss]
    #3024053 - 08/19/04 11:59 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

life is the experience of being and dealing with yourself.


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Re: Define life? [Re: psyka]
    #3024088 - 08/20/04 12:07 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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psyka said:
So are cells alive?




they are a part of something like a human's being, they are the small bits that make us a whole and alive being.


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Re: Define life? [Re: Seuss]
    #3024556 - 08/20/04 01:55 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I like to think of "life" as just an abstracted form of chemistry. A chemical system which has become so complex that it is easier to take a step back in abstraction and call it "Life" than to treat it as just a chemical reaction.

Life: a chemical system of macromolecules which results in reproduction of the system itself.


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Re: Define life? [Re: Seuss]
    #3024567 - 08/20/04 02:01 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

"The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, consumption, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism."


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Re: Define life? [Re: trendal]
    #3024572 - 08/20/04 02:03 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

... "Life" also maintains a stable internal environment (homeostasis) and it also passes on genetic information (within DNA) via reproduction.


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Re: Define life? [Re: Seuss]
    #3026450 - 08/20/04 08:21 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Life just is... the being.


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Re: Define life? [Re: Seuss]
    #3026517 - 08/20/04 08:35 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Life is concious awareness.


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Re: Define life? [Re: Seuss]
    #3026572 - 08/20/04 08:49 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Consciousness, manifested.


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Re: Define life? [Re: Seuss]
    #3027246 - 08/20/04 01:03 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

:heart:


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Re: Define life? [Re: Seuss]
    #3027302 - 08/20/04 02:13 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

An autonomous information processing system.


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Re: Define life? [Re: Seuss]
    #3027521 - 08/20/04 04:45 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

life is possibility.


actually.. i think there's more to that.

is there any possibility without life? (along the lines of, everything will happen but only by the laws of physics. life can either change things or not? falling tree in a forest with noone to hear?)


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