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Re: Double Tubs [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #3138733 - 09/15/04 01:01 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Some quick questions regarding this great idea...

Could a tub of a slightly smaller size be used for the top, or would this hamper the effect? What is that black tape on his bottom tub for, in his picture of the double tub? ABout how high would a completed double tub (w/64 qt.s) be? Do you estimate and drill the holes before filling? Can't wait to try this out:D


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Re: Double Tubs [Re: eric66]
    #3138805 - 09/15/04 01:15 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

you got a lot of reading to do.

but the tape is around the bottom to cover the substrate because shrooms grow toward light and he has a trasparent container.  if you dont cover it up so light cant get in down there, then shrooms will grow underneath and start to rot...causing contams.  this way they all grow straight up :smile:


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Re: Double Tubs [Re: ]
    #3138815 - 09/15/04 01:18 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

tinfoil also works if you get it on in time lol


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Re: Double Tubs [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #3138873 - 09/15/04 01:34 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

right, i thought that was a good idea. its cheap and totally opaque.


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Re: Double Tubs [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #3153509 - 09/19/04 06:52 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    I see where he has written that the bag aids in moisture control.I think its serving other purposes as well.Keeps light from entering below substrate level preventing side pinning.Acts as a blanket insulating the big ass flat cake.Probably why he doesn't worry too much and can leave to europe and come back to fruits.Micro climate mimic tubs. :thumbup: :rasta:


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Re: Double Tubs [Re: RasHelio1]
    #3153888 - 09/19/04 08:30 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

bags aren't light proof tho....if you hold a garbage bag up to a light you can see the light through it...I would tinfoil the sides if I did it...which I plan too...I think its a great idea...I'm gonna make a few modifications but I think eatyualive has a great tek here...I love the sterility factor


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Re: Double Tubs [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #3154020 - 09/19/04 08:58 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I love the tek too.I'm thinking that using heavy pvc couplings fit into 1" holes and filled with polyfil would be an upgrade.Stagger the holes two rows of three on each side of the upper tub.


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Re: Double Tubs [Re: RasHelio1]
    #3162559 - 09/21/04 09:47 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Could someone outline all the benefits of this method as opposed to simply using a plastic lined tray?


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    #3167941 - 09/22/04 11:37 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Double Tubs [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #3172179 - 09/23/04 09:00 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

TheHateCamel, it appears the tubs are one on top of the other, and it was recommended they could be held together with saran wrap, if balance was a concern.


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Re: Double Tubs [Re: ]
    #3186853 - 09/27/04 02:48 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

the tub just sits right on top! no extra tape or anything holding it. just make sure you get a tub with a lip so that it will allow for another tub to balance on top! and actually some of them get gigantic but none have pushed the lid off!


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Re: Double Tubs [Re: RasHelio1]
    #3186905 - 09/27/04 03:06 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

walrus.  i noticed some of your casings look a little dry.this tek creates the perfect moist environment without the use of watering.  The sub preparation has to be done with lighting precision to ensure that the sub has the correct moisture content throughout the spawn run. In turn this builds up more moisture and keeps the moisture in.  As opposed to losing moisture when you open the bin to water.  with this tek the water condensation on the sides will ruin the underside of the substrate and could possibly cause contams.  the black lining also prevents side pinning and makes easier for cleanup when you dump out the spent substrate. 

This method requires no maintenance. That is the best part of it.  This isn't my method I just followed other methods to get here.  However, I will post a large detailed picture write up in the next month that outlines all the methods and steps taken to get here thus far. 

Ras, you don't need the pvc fittings.  Keep it simple! Ras, you have the right idea and have answered most of my questions for me.  It is basically the perfect environment.  Even after you pick, the moisture builds up again.  I don't even add water after the first flush is picked.  the environment seems to create its own moisture!


Seriously, please read this post and details before you ask questions I have already answered.  You have to have a tub in similar size, it creates a vaccum of air that expels the c02 and pulls in fresh o2!

Touching on what Kottonmouth said about the mushies wrotting on the bottom of the sub,.....yes the inside plastic lining helps prevent this. often if an abundance of water gets trapped underneath your sub you may be in for some non noticeable contams.  Meaning they are underneath the casing.  This is usually indicated by very liquidy mushrooms or mushrooms that look like they fall over and don't have the strengh to hold themselves up!

There is a tinfoil tape out there that is adhesive on one side. This can also be used but it gets messy when you try to remove it.  The best thing is to use black duct tape.  You can make a double tub that is smaller in size and works excatly the same way.  I believe I posted a picture of a mini double tub in some of the above posts.  The great thing about the tek i will post soon is that you can make about 4 of these tubs at a time in one sitting and then all you have to do is sit on em for about 2 months and you will have a steady flow of yield the entire time.  each tub can produce anywhere from 8oz-1lb dry per tub. depending on the substrate depth and number of flushes and the perfect moisture content.  I just figured out the ratio to help anyone.

Recipe for 4 turkey tins.
16 cups screened worm castings to 16 cups verm in each turkey tin.
add one quart or 1/4th gallon of water to each turkey tin. then mix to a nice fluffy consistency. 
Then pasteurize for 2 hours at 185 degrees. you can pasteurize longer as long as you stay at a steady temp. 
the straw is minced with a food processor into 1" pieces to a fine powder size.  then it is soaked for 24 hours and drained and pced for 2 hours.  all of this is mixed in a mixing box and then spawned.  after spawning, the mix is divided and placed in 4 separate tubs!  a future writeup will be posted soon. It is in the works and will show you step by step.  So please be patient!

go to office depot. that is where these bins were purchased they cost 11.99.  You don't need to do anything but place one right on top of the other!  Its that simple.  There is no need to make things complicated.  Try the tek and perfect it before you go and create your own variations.  This tek is actually from Millets tek.  It is the exact same thing only I have added a few of my own little details!

phunkjunky,

it can be done using cakes but why waste the time.  In the time it would take you to make 10 cakes you could have like 500 times the yield using this tek. Its a straight shooter, right to the point and very simple!  not like george bush-----the bastid, ruining our country! lol :smirk:


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Re: Double Tubs [Re: eatyualive]
    #3186958 - 09/27/04 03:23 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

let me explain one more thing! pinning isn't even relevant! just sit these suckers in dim light and that is all! you don't have to even worry about trying to initiate pinning. the environment almost creates the perfect moisture with spawn run, pinning, fruiting and all aspects of the mushroom lifecycle! i used to spend so much time trying to up my yields with better pinning and I found out that if you don't give a fuck anymore it gets you further in mushroom life!lol!


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Re: Double Tubs [Re: eatyualive]
    #3187968 - 09/27/04 07:01 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

i dont get why you need two tubs wouldnt one taller tub work with holes cut in it and pollyfill in the holes work just as good


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Re: Double Tubs [Re: onetime]
    #3188024 - 09/27/04 07:12 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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i dont get why you need two tubs wouldnt one taller tub work with holes cut in it and pollyfill in the holes work just as good




Two tubs is better because you could more easily reach the shrooms. They get the benefits of ample headroom without you having to reach to the bottom of a deep cotainer to harvest them.


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Re: Double Tubs [Re: Ekstaza]
    #3188087 - 09/27/04 07:24 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

well if i put 5lbs of compost in a deep tub and wait till thats colenized and case that with a 1.5" caseing that still leaves me with enough room to grow 10" long shrooms and the tubs he uses are deep and to have one upside down on top of the other just makes more room for air i would think witch i wouldnt think would make a whole heck of a lot of differance


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Re: Double Tubs [Re: onetime]
    #3188962 - 09/27/04 10:22 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

The ventilation system can be applied to taller containers.

If you want easier picking you can always put the lower half or so of the same style and size container and cut slits for handles. Just clear the fruits near the handles and lift out for harvest.


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Re: Double Tubs [Re: Gr0wer]
    #3204269 - 10/01/04 03:16 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

the top tub creates a sort of vaccum! it causes the air to flow over the casing. one tub won't work you will have bacterial meltdown unless you fan constantly. the top tub doubles the room and allows for taller mushrooms. i don't remember the word for it but if you notice with drip shields in a grow chamber that the mushrooms sometimes tend to be stunted bc of the low drip shield. or if you have a complex grow chamber with shorter shelves the mushrooms tend to be shorter. but if you leave ample room between shelves the mushrooms grow much taller. as opposed to becoming tall with more vertical space. its similar to the small fish in a big tank theory( if thats what it is called). A small fish tends to grow much larger in a larger tank but if that same fish is kept in a smaller tank then it remains small. i believe the double chamber creates this airflow doubling the volume of the air in the chamber. you can even see the condensation on the sides form this circular pattern. this has not been the case with one chamber. the double chamber really makes the difference. again, c02 expells out the bottom holes, 02 is pulled in through the top holes. please, please do not use one chamber or you defeat the whole purpose of this great method of cultivation. Ease and Laziness is the key to this chamber. if you are the type of person who is busy and only likes doing work every once in a while then this is your tek. if you like doing too much work, don't try it. this is the true lazy mans tek. like i said before, ive done 3 days work and it lasts months. i used to keep myself busy making hundreds of jars and cultures. now i only need one set of quarts a month. that is all. sometimes only every two months. its simple. make 12 quarts( and spawn them), keep one or two extra from that first transfer in the fridge and once your transfer spawn a few times go back to your first tranfer jar in the fridge. and they last more than 6 months in the fridge! ive had one culture going for more than a year now with no problems or contams. i went from an 80% grain contamination rate(in the beginning) to basically a 1% contam ratio. i havn't thrown out jars in at least a year to contams. its amazing!and they are all grain. wbs- with a splash of jet dry during the steeping process!

one time, you are wrong, the top tub makes 100% of the difference. look at the pics, they don't lie! lol its this kind of attitude that causes people to not believe in teks. if you don't follow the tech before you add your .02 then how do you expect to get the same results! LET ME STRESS THIS, I ALWAYS FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN UNTIL I HAVE PERFECTED IT. THEN I EXPERIMENT WITH MY OWN RATIOS AND MODIFICATIONS. THIS IS THE TRUE TEST, YOU HAVE TO LEARN TO DRIVE THE CAR BEFORE YOU DRIVE IT!(onetime, i wasn't trying to insult you i was just trying to point out that the top tub is one of the most important parts of this tek.) ask millet, or some of the guys over at mushmush, i believe they use this tek( or have used it in the past). maybe they can explain the entrainment part to you a little better.


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Re: Double Tubs [Re: eatyualive]
    #3205861 - 10/02/04 02:53 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Wanna make some easy holes in you tubs ? Take a soldering iron to em. Works like a charm.


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Re: Double Tubs [Re: eatyualive]
    #3206398 - 10/02/04 10:21 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I personally am not a fan of polyfill, its just a bit of a hassle to get it to fit right, so all I have around is tyvek.

Do you think that the holes in the double tub system would have to be cut larger in order to work with tyvek?


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