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KingOftheThing
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Deja Vu
#3012440 - 08/17/04 07:58 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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so i had a crazy case of deja vu yesterday and i realized that i had no idea what it was or what caused it. so i looked it up and the sources i found said they really have no idea what deja vu is, there are theories but thats is. they said it usually only happens to people under 30. i get it a lot, its a weird sensation and only lasts for a second or so...id say it happens to me maybe once a month. you guys have any theories regarding the phenomenon?? please dont say "its a glitch in the matrix"
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there's an interesting theory which states, as best as i can remember, that deja vu may be the result of a mini seizure of our brains which causes a slight delay in our perceptions so that we feel as though we've "done this before" even though it's just happening right then. i think someone posted about it here before.........
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Re: Deja Vu [Re: Clean]
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hmm i like that theory...better than the past lives theory
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repemon
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its only because sometimes the left/right sides of ther brain have a delay between them.
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I wish I had it again from time to time, havent had it in years now. And I'm under 30..
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Re: Deja Vu [Re: Clean]
#3012703 - 08/17/04 09:24 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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interesting theory.
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One time on LSD I had a extended period of very very vivid deja vu. Perhaps for about an hour or so. Because it went on for so long, after a few minutes I got past the 'hmm, this is kind of strange...' feeling, to actually being able to analyse it, crawl inside the caverns of this perception, to investigate what was happening.
Basically what I think was happening with that deja vu and other times I've experienced it, is when 'memory' tears away / forms some form of feedback loop with 'present consciousness'...so in other words, you're remembering each moment as it happens...the thing you're remembering IS the thing that is happening, you're essentially experiencing each moment twice, once in present consciousness and once in memory.
This is just one possible theory, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was wrong, but this was my conclusion after a good half hour or so of intense 'self psychoanalasys' while experiencing the effect itself.
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Either that, or it's the subconscious pre-analyzing the situation and following cause/effect based on past similar experiences to predict the result slightly before it's experienced. That's sort of my view on the matter, but it could be anything really. I haven't had it in sometime though :/
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I get this effect quite a bit. here is what I note:
at onset of being entheogenized, thought strobes, or seems to go on for a much longer time than usual, and may even seem to echo or reverberate.
Basically all sensations and thoughts fade out more slowly with or without reverbs.
sometimes, when the effect is great, some subsequent "thought images" seem to fade before preceeding ones fade (they are itno a reverb cycle).
is it due to association or post processing (the reverb?)?
sometimes this effect is so distinct that I can watch a clock's hands move backwards just by looking.
then consider that something happens while you are not noticing it but while you are paying attention to something else that would have definitely faded earlier if you were not entheogenized.
meantime you have an inkling of what is actually happenning but it does not get your attention. Then FINALLY you notice the tail of the preceeding event fading from your experience horizon. and you go:
"Deja VU!!" "Wow!!" ("I knew it - all of it exactly like that - now it is fading I wish I had more of it... I must be Psychic...")
Well silly, of course you knew about it - you are just catching up your own the event horizon, after you have been technically submerged in daydreaming in the midst of trails of entheogenized existence.
I guess you can call THAT a seizure, but it means more if you pay attention to what is actually going on.
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Or you just might be high like a kite
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I believe they are phenomenon of precognition. In other words, perhaps in dream time you reviewd the moment the night before and then when it happens, it feels 'familiar". You have to beleive in simultaneous time to understand that future probabilities are being accessed, forgotten, then recalled- dejavu.
I have dreams about stuff that I see on the tele the next day in perfect detail so I know I am visiting or reviewing the following days probable events in my dream time.
I'm over 30 and get them A LOT. If you get them you can USE them to get insight into other probable futures. When the feeling comes over you, SHUT everything out and tune in. You can follow the feeling into other future events. I had a dejavu one time where I was able to tune in well and got images of me living in a completely different place. I thought that was absurd as i was planning on never leaving that home. Sure enough, this and that happened beyond my wildest dreams and I ended up living 1000s of miles away just a month later. I recalled the dejavu premonition and realised I could use dejavu vibes to see into my probable future.
Play with the energy to increase psychic ability. It's fun stuff!
I did read somewhere that a subtle shift in the linear time field happens which creates a crack in perception allowing for multi dimensional time access. What causes this momentary breach of the field I have no idea- yet. Alas, another mystery to explore.
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i too have experienced intense deja vu. the most memorable was when i disclocated my knee at highschool. i was laying on the floor of a hallway receiving nitrous oxide (oh sweet nitrous) from the emts and i realized that i had dreamed this very thing down to the most minute detail about a week before. granted, many people will tell you that it is a reaction to the chemicals or a 'brain fart' where for some reason the perception of an event is delayed in entering the conciousness mind after it has already been perceived (hence the 'i've done this before' feeling). i have had many other deja vu, and have come to the conclusion that it is an aspect of conciousness. any concious being can experience deja vu for the simple reason that our conciousness attempts to place experience into a linear time frame when time is not necessarily linear. this can lead to 'fore-knowledge' of events or experiences. hightened states of awareness can cause this faculty to become more developed.
or i am insane (which is just as likely)
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I definitely relate Dejavu to dreamtime as well. My precognition experiences come to me through conversation, dreams, and through dream like states. Definitely a tool of intuition for myself. I take Dejavu semi-seriously, and I contemplate the scenarios in my head.
When meditative, and indulging in "alien-dream-time", you can center the world around you, basically making it stop, for your complete observation.
Whether it is past-lives, intution, dreams, or the future..That all lies within yourself. there was already a long nice thread about this statement but, let me just restate it for the fact of accessing it, forgetting it, then recalling it
You mind Does create your own reality.
So take your Ego and flush it down the drain because our personally theories in the end are worthless, just give me a fuckin' hug!
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I would also like to add to the above, That dejavu comes from the dream-state, THROUGH REM.
Whether you wake up from a dream and remember it RIGHT THEN, or you have to actually be recalled to the thought that was experienced in the dream through this realm and reality, you are experiencing it none the less.
That is all
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from dreamstate? OK and then waking up to the deja vu? - that would actually be what I described
and then waking up with something that will be a deja vu later? -hmmmm I wonder. (such nuggets are unusual but might seem to have come from the earlier dreamstate, because one dreamstate is much like another - but one might have dipped into it for a moment when just walking around too)
the dream state itself is very cool, very long image fadings, massive overlay integrations, entire adventures on the edges of the side effects of dream time engram integration.
parallel time lines, hmmm can't refute it but it is not necessary for the deja vu event to be explained.
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Deja Vews for me happen like this, im usually by my self in a social situation. Ie: being in school. All of a sudden for no apparent reason i look at something such as a ketchup package on the floor then look up in a specific direction and look at someone. Even the sounds, actions and positions of the people around me are the exact same. At that moment i realize i had done this before and go on with my life, thinking nothing of except of how wonderous and mysterious life is. I can honsetly say its a feeling of doing it in a dream of some sort not sure...all i know is that they are fun to go through and even more fun recognizing it!!!
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redgreenvines
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note all of a sudden the sense of having done this before exactly It is just like this usually a short sequence that is recognized usually indeed after emerging from being absorbed in something else. The actual events of deja vu always fall into this context of being a short sequence after the attention shifts (out of a "reverie" or entheogen induced or meditation induced absorption) Then the viewer catches up with his own experiencing horizon from being otherwise immersed, and so it seems utterly that a familiar thing has happenned again.
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Mad_Buhdda_Abuser said: Deja Vews for me happen like this, im usually by my self in a social situation. Ie: being in school. All of a sudden for no apparent reason i look at something such as a ketchup package on the floor then look up in a specific direction and look at someone. Even the sounds, actions and positions of the people around me are the exact same. At that moment i realize i had done this before and go on with my life, thinking nothing of except of how wonderous and mysterious life is. I can honsetly say its a feeling of doing it in a dream of some sort not sure...all i know is that they are fun to go through and even more fun recognizing it!!!
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I believe the more you open to deja vu the more you will experience it. Days after having long/intense spiritual chats with friends I will get in creased bouts of deja vu.
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I swear I've experienced this thread before..
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I think Deja Vu exists because time as we know it is an illusion, all time is now.
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Mmm, an interesting thought. I've just been doing quite a bit of research into human time perception, and it turns out that the psychological literature at the moment really doesn't know sweet fuck all about how we come to formulate this perception of time.
Don't you just love to watch 'science' struggling to tackle concepts that have come with ease to trippers / spiritual consciousness? I too beleive that it could well be possible that 'everything is always happening'. And from the research I've read, it seems like about the only thing that the cognitive researchers can say is that time is more or less an illusion...its just HOW that illusion is occuring that they're having trouble with.
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Re: Deja Vu [Re: zee_werp]
#3016298 - 08/17/04 11:38 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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because we perceive time as linear, a series of events either remembered as something 'in the past' of what is happening or what is to be. From my research I suppose that is the most convenient way for minds to wrap themselves around the concept in the 3rd density.. To me time is simply the rate of rotation of molecules and planets and solar systems and galaxies and universes and absolutums. There is no past or present, all time is now. It is more like a circle than a straight line. The past is something to learn from and the future is something to create and all of this is actuated through the present. There is no time but the present. Then again, I'm high.
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I've been thinking about this whole 'time does not exist as we know it' thing. What I've had trouble with was reconciling our experience of memory with the concept that 'there is only the now.' However I think I've figured it out. If there is no linear time, why do we have memories of previous moments but not future moments? Ah, but we do have memories of future moments, as anyone who's had a precognitive dream can attest to. But since we can't consciously remember future memories, there must be a distinction between conscious and subconscious memory. I've come to the conclusion that linear time is a creation of, or result of, our conscious mind. It has to be. Moving along a time 'line' and not consciously knowing what's ahead, we only form conscious memories of past moments, but not future moments. However, there is this existence of subconscious memory, which is outside time as we know it (which we might experience as precognition). For those of you who believe in a soul, our subconscious is our soul memory, independent of our physical experiences. The question of 'why' we experience linear time is something I have no idea of, though.
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Re: Deja Vu [Re: zee_werp]
#3016428 - 08/18/04 12:07 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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That sounds very logical, I agree.
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Re: Deja Vu [Re: ]
#3016441 - 08/18/04 12:10 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Max Headroom said: I've come to the conclusion that linear time is a creation of, or result of, our conscious mind. It has to be. Moving along a time 'line' and not consciously knowing what's ahead, we only form conscious memories of past moments, but not future moments. However, there is this existence of subconscious memory, which is outside time as we know it (which we might experience as precognition). For those of you who believe in a soul, our subconscious is our soul memory, independent of our physical experiences. The question of 'why' we experience linear time is something I have no idea of, though.
We use the past as a means to predict the future, as past events tend to repeat in a pattern. (like america will fall just like rome did). The conscious mind is all about creating stability. I cannot comment on the dejavu feeling because all knowledge of what you actually learned is pretty much wiped away after the trip so I dont really understand what that sudden feeling is that this situation has happened 10000000000 times before and will forever. Does anyone else get the feeling that this is a test when the dejavu feeling comes on? I always think im supposed to do something very important and someone or something is warning me to do it. The first time it happened I had no way to control it, I didn't know what was happening to me. It took about 4 of those episodes before I could finally talk myself out of it calmly without freaking out infront of people.
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I swear I've experienced this thread before...
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AbstractHarmonix
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I swear Ive experienced Stumpling's post before.
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Deja Vu is a glitch in the matrix!!
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I get this all the time, whats weird, is i get it alot in situations i know i've never been in, couldnt have been in before. I get it from people i've never met doing things i know i've never done, in places i know i've never been, or been there with those people. I do wonder about the precognition aspect, did i have dreams of the future and now i am remembering them? am i just reminded of similar events? Generally im a fairly skeptical person...which means i reserve judgement on things i dont form opinions that say "oh that just doesnt happen" thats being a believer...just u believe against it rather then for it...anyways i have had 2 intances atleast where i wonder if i didnt see the future.
The first and most blatent, was when i was little, my friends asked me to play T-ball, and i said no, when they asked i had this sudden vision of standing on first base and getting smacked in the eye with the ball, so thats why i declined, eventually they talked me into it...first batter up..im on first wack! fukin hit me right in the eye...if i remember correctly the kid batting was the same kid in the vision too.
The second time, i had a dream..very mundane dream, i dreamed that i had just woke up and was in my underwear going thru my sock door trying to find a pair of matching socks...then i imediately woke up went to the drawer and started looking for socks, in the middle of it i got deja vu, and suddenly remembered the dream, not only was i doing what i did in the dream, i was doing it in the same exact way.
Anyways deja vu...is cool
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