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Using spent cakes as spawn?
    #3012383 - 08/17/04 09:26 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry if anyone's asked this before, I couldn't find anything on it.

Could I crumble up spent cakes and spawn them onto straw? :crazy2:

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Re: Using spent cakes as spawn? [Re: deafpanda]
    #3012412 - 08/17/04 09:46 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

No. The spent cakes are . . .well . . . spent. Straw would almost certainly contaminate if you did this. I'd recommend you bury your spent cakes in your garden if you have one, otherwise break them up and put into your houseplants. The houseplants will do better because the mycelium will break down the nutes and make them available to the plants. You'll even get a mushie or two every now and then.


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Re: Using spent cakes as spawn? [Re: deafpanda]
    #3012423 - 08/17/04 09:51 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Acutally yes you can spawn spent cakes to other mediums, it has been done many times. On a similar topic you can take a contaminated cake and spawn it to poo/straw and do and outside tek and mother nature will take care of the contams and youll get mushies. But as for spawning the spent cake it is most definatley possible.


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Re: Using spent cakes as spawn? [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #3012510 - 08/17/04 10:29 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Humm conflicting advice :wink:

I can't take them outside, I'm in the UK and my temps are probably too low.

I'm gonna give it a go with a small amount of straw indoors just for kicks.


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Re: Using spent cakes as spawn? [Re: deafpanda]
    #3012525 - 08/17/04 10:35 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I would challenge anyone to spawn a spent cake into straw and post the results. The question was to straw. Not to outdoors or other mediums.


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Re: Using spent cakes as spawn? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #3012540 - 08/17/04 10:42 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Actually he didnt specify at all wether it was indoors or not. And i was just stating a way to do it. Its true that the substrate that the mycellium was currently using was spent. But you could still transfer it to another medium quite readily.


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Re: Using spent cakes as spawn? [Re: deafpanda]
    #3012958 - 08/17/04 12:51 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Spawn to straw and/or poo, it won't work, like RogerRabbit said it would contaminate before it would ever finish. It will work to spawn to other grains or other nutritional substances however.


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Re: Using spent cakes as spawn? [Re: deafpanda]
    #3013342 - 08/17/04 02:13 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I have a project going on (Straw/Poo) that was started with a spent casing. The substrate (used in the spent casing) was red millet. It was cased in 100% coir. The casing had its initial flush. It was dunked/cold shocked, and flushed a second time.Once the Second flush was complete, I crumbled the complete casing and used it for spawn in a current project. Would the casing have flushed a third time? Good question. Had I thought I was gonna get much of anything out of a third flush I would have attempted it. The current Straw/Poo is colonizing just fine. No contams. This was the first time I have attempted this. Its is working just fine. If this is an exception to the rule, I'm happy. I got lucky. If this is the rule, from now on I will not try to squeeze out one last flush when I can start anew with the old casings. Using the old casing was much simpler and faster than starting from step one with the spores and jars. The statements contained in this posting are not intended to dispute any claims made by others. This is simply my experience.


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Re: Using spent cakes as spawn? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #3013774 - 08/17/04 03:30 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Spawn to straw and/or poo, it won't work, like RogerRabbit said



Nonsense, of course it will. I posted a grow log a while back in which I did just that - spawned wheat straw and dung with a spent PF cake. The yield was not spectacular as it was only my second casing attempt, but it was succesful none the less. I'll try to post a link to the grow log.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...ev=#Post1032912


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Re: Using spent cakes as spawn? [Re: deafpanda]
    #3014113 - 08/17/04 04:47 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I suppose there's a difference between working, and working well. The problem with any spent substrate is that not only is the mycelial network weak, but trich and other contaminant spores have already had a few weeks to land on it. When you use it for spawn, you're also spawning those contaminant spores along with weak mycelium into a fresh substrate.

I was not right to say it won't work. Lots of folks have done it, I know that. What I was saying, and I stick to it, is it won't work well, and for each time you succeed, you'll lose to contaminates at least one. Each project I do, I try to outdo the previous one. That takes fresh aggressive spawn, with an isolated strain of a proven fruiter. Personally, I'd never waste time trying to spawn with spent substrate, as it's so easy to grow fresh. Why settle for less than the best?


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Re: Using spent cakes as spawn? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #3027231 - 08/20/04 05:46 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Bump, lets see some more opinions on this, id especially like to hear from Magash on this. I have done it a number of times with no contamination whatsoever. Thats what we like about pasteurized substrate as compared to sterilized, beneficial bacteria prevent the naughty little spores we dont like from getting destructive and taking our substrate.


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Re: Using spent cakes as spawn? [Re: deafpanda]
    #3027424 - 08/20/04 08:26 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

bumb it, bump it real good


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Re: Using spent cakes as spawn? [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #3027674 - 08/20/04 10:28 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry to bump it. But i want to make sure that some experienced growers see this thread.


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Re: Using spent cakes as spawn? [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #3029183 - 08/20/04 06:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

bump


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Re: Using spent cakes as spawn? [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #3029209 - 08/20/04 06:08 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Experienced growers take the time to read back several pages to help out the new people and involve themselves in disscusion.

It is not neccesary to bump this thread
3 Times    OK :pimpin:

I have had mixed results in using old cakes and casings as spawn

But I figure it is always worth the extra effort. It is better then just tossing them :thumbup:


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Re: Using spent cakes as spawn? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3030130 - 08/20/04 10:14 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Precisely. It is not the ideal way to spawn bulk substrates but it does work and allows the cultivator with no access to a PC to try their hand at bulk cultivation and increase their yields.


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Re: Using spent cakes as spawn? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3031649 - 08/21/04 07:08 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Kool, sorry about bumping it so much. I wasn't sure how far back most people actually look through these. Again i apologise......and the apologise for this getting moved up again for this message....lol


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Re: Using spent cakes as spawn? [Re: deafpanda]
    #3031726 - 08/21/04 08:16 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

So I can case spent PF Cakes and they will start pinning again?


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Re: Using spent cakes as spawn? [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #3031736 - 08/21/04 08:26 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Yes it can work and it can work well. Chances are that it will contam though for the reasons rodger gives.

Yes you can case spent cakes but t he same rule applies, it can work but there is a chance it's gonna contam.


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Re: Using spent cakes as spawn? [Re: deafpanda]
    #3080381 - 09/02/04 12:24 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I have done this and it did work but maybe I got lucky. Came out with 30 grams dry.


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