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 eric_the_red
 
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 why christianity is for inbreeders: 
#3011477 - 08/16/04 11:23 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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according to genesis, adam + eve = cain, abel, seth...
so, we have four males and one female, all directly related. 
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 Re: why christianity is for inbreeders: [Re: eric_the_red]
#3011719 - 08/17/04 12:30 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Christianity isn't for inbreeders. Fundamentalist christianity is. Fundamentalism straight makes no sense, and it's impossible to explain reality to these people. They're frustrating. I think christianity is an allright religion as far as religions go, but fudamentalism is outright laughable.
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Re: why christianity is for inbreeders: [Re: the universe]
#3012085 - 08/17/04 03:27 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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I did an essay on the creation story for my A-level RS. Did you know that all of the original fundamentalists that founded The Fundamentals in 1905 (i think) didn't take the creation story literally like many do today? Most saw the days as epochs etc. This goes back to thinkers like Augustine too who thought a literal interpretation was idiocy. Its only in the past 50 years, roughly, that people on a large scale have chosen to adopt this idiocy :P
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Re: why christianity is for inbreeders: [Re: eric_the_red]
#3012465 - 08/17/04 08:09 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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christianty is grade A bullshit...rank proganda....its been a reliable source of mind control for thousands of years though, gotta give it that
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Re: why christianity is for inbreeders: [Re: KingOftheThing]
#3012566 - 08/17/04 08:51 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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although chances are you are right, your post is not relevant to the thread and it also sounds like propaganda in its own right :P
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Re: why christianity is for inbreeders: [Re: Zoso_UK]
#3013053 - 08/17/04 11:14 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Its only in the past 50 years, roughly, that people on a large scale have chosen to adopt this idiocy
i would have to disagree with you here. the idea of christian fundementalist religion is much much older than 50 years. calvinists, anabaptists, mennonites, hutterites, puritans, shakers, quakers and the salvation army are all fundementalist (plus a bunch of others that slip my mind). fundementalism is the direct result of the reformation and counter-reformation. in fact the reformation was a return to fundemental christian religion. that was really the whole point of the reformation anyway.
it is only in the last 150 years or so that we've had things like the 7th day adventists and snake handlers and the 'typical' bible thumping fundy trying to repeal the teaching of evolutionary theory in public schools. the modern fundementalist movement, though, is no where near as puritanical as say the puritans.
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you'll notice i didn't say that the fundamentalist movement is only 50 years old. but its modern incarnation which takes every word completely literally is.
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Re: why christianity is for inbreeders: [Re: eric_the_red]
#3013304 - 08/17/04 12:07 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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why banging away @ Xtians???
do not the jews (& also muslims) also go along with much of the genesis creation myth as well?
although, within each of the 3 abrahamic traditions (judasim, christianity, islam) there are many (a majority? one wonders) who do not insist on a literalist interpretaion of the holy scriptures of their faith...
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bible- (& torah- & quran-) thumpers that ya just can't wait to trash their narrowmindednes...
-thumpers like albert shweitzer & martin buber & pir vilayat khan & thomas merton & huston smith & carl jung & viktor frankel & steve durkee & dietrich bonhoffer...
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"peace on earth to men of goodwill" sang the angels to the sheepherders outside of bethlehem...
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Re: why christianity is for inbreeders: [Re: gnrm23]
#3013514 - 08/17/04 12:40 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have spoken to a number of jews who insist that the modern attempt to take the Old Testament literally is incorrect.
Muslims believe that the Old Testament, while holy, has been corrupted through thousands of years. Only the Qoran is the true word of God.
Although I'm sure there are fringe groups in each that take the OT literally. And until recently, literalists in the Christian faith were also fringe.
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Re: why christianity is for inbreeders: [Re: Zoso_UK]
#3014249 - 08/17/04 03:09 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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which is why i pointed out the the reformation fundys took the bible far more literally than our modern fundys. the 'the bible is actually word of god' protestant fundementalism is far, far older than 50 years. i would think that coming from the uk you would know this. do you think cromwell found profound metaphors and allusions in the bible or do you think he was it as god's own truth? the apocalypse was supposed to destroy the world in 1666. some 65% of the population of england at the time believed this with a certainty that would astound us. the modern literal fundy movement is only the latest incarnation of literal fundy movement that extends back to the formation of the canon, and the deuteronomists. it is no more popular now than at any other time and you will always find literalist sects of judeo-christianity/islam no matter how far back in time you go. they have always been a strong and loud spoken part of monotheism even to the point of having a little thing called the inquisition created to suppress them when they got out of hand.
i am surprised that more people don't see the modern fundys as the fruit of about 3000 years of fundementalism.
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Until you can provide evidence, I will have to disagree. Although I'm not familiar with the 1666 belief, how does believing in the apocalypse suggest strict fundamentalism? Even conservative and liberal christians to some extent believe in an apocalypse.
Concerning Jews and Muslims, there is really has been very little recorded fundamentalism (i.e. strict literal interpretation of the Old Testament) on a large scale through both of their histories and if you can prove otherwise, please do.
Concerning Christians, however, the Catholic Church never endorsed literal fundamentalism. Today, indeed, the church accepts theistic evolution to some extent. Officially at least. There is a crucial difference between Fundamentalism which deems the Bible the direct word of God and the modern mass-movement that says that because of this, every sentence must be treated literally without concern for contextual factors etc.
Oh, and btw, coming from the UK, I know this 
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Re: why christianity is for inbreeders: [Re: the universe]
#3014816 - 08/17/04 05:10 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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heh..
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Re: why christianity is for inbreeders: [Re: eric_the_red]
#3014940 - 08/17/04 06:02 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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What about the Frisbetarians!!??
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Re: why christianity is for inbreeders: [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#3014992 - 08/17/04 06:20 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Enlighten me, what about this group? Were they a majority group espousing literal fundamentalism?
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Re: why christianity is for inbreeders: [Re: Zoso_UK]
#3015087 - 08/17/04 06:41 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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They believe that when you die your soul gets stuck on the roof and you can't get it down. It is a type of literal fundementalism.
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Re: why christianity is for inbreeders: [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#3015110 - 08/17/04 06:50 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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The type I'm referring to it people who take all the Bible literally, not just bits.
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Re: why christianity is for inbreeders: [Re: Zoso_UK]
#3015114 - 08/17/04 06:52 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jesus, (sorry for the pun) you missed it completely...
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Re: why christianity is for inbreeders: [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#3015710 - 08/17/04 09:15 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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i caught it. nice toss.
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gnrm23 said:
why banging away @ Xtians???
i didn't realize so many others wish to believe that they are a product of incest.
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Re: why christianity is for inbreeders: [Re: eric_the_red]
#3017632 - 08/18/04 10:03 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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eric red...
you know that's a norse name, dude...
and norse mythology has a good deal more incestuous doings that the jewish/christian/islamic mythos, fwiw...
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Re: why christianity is for inbreeders: [Re: eric_the_red]
#3017809 - 08/18/04 10:41 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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According to science and biology all life on earth stems sprang forth off trailerpark populated by the offspring of one single-cell organism who's DNA in mutated shapes is present in all things living on the good Earth.
So even science agrees we all (even the mushrooms we eat) sprang forth from the Inbred County trailerpark in the Pre-Cambrium era.
Please notice that Genesis (the bible, not the band) says Eve sprang forth from the body of Adam while Biology says the second organism formed from the first by cell division. (insanely interesting stuff really, except in the way I tell it  )
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So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh
Genesis 2-21
Surgeons like this one, because it actually speaks of a proper surgery with application of anaesthesia (an non-detrimental unconscious sleep unrousable by being operated upon equals textbook third-level surgical anaesthesia), which makes the core foundation of Christianity directly contradict that modern medicine is in violation of God's will as some fundamentalists claim.
Well: let those righteous ones be free of any medical interventions whatsoever  Innocent kids die because their religiously insane parents refuse to take them to a doctor. 
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Re: why christianity is for inbreeders: [Re: Asante]
#3017983 - 08/18/04 11:28 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Its lame isn't it. There are so many people in the world that would die and do do for a good doctor and here we have people who take doctors completely for granted.
Btw, if you guys want the Fundamentalist explanation of Genesis creation story... Adam and Eve were both perfect and thus so were their genetic structures. The only reason incest is frowned upon is because the children are often deformed in some way because the genetic code that combines is too similar and does not create diversity. Fundamentalists argue that this wouldn't have happened since Adam and Eve's code were perfect and it is through time that human genetic code has degraded.
By the way, I don't advocate that point of view. I just know of it :P
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Re: why christianity is for inbreeders: [Re: Asante]
#3017995 - 08/18/04 11:32 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Recent DNA and RNA studies, particurally those associated with mitochondrial RNA, have determined that all of humanity decended at one time from a single female. Very likely she and then her kids were odd mutants a bit smarter than the rest and they were forced out of thier group. With no other options she then bred with her children thus giving birth to the first of our modern race. Basically any species can be traced down to incest, but people today realize that's no longer neccessary. Trying to use the bible as proof of incest if futile because there are other passages saying its wrong.
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Re: why christianity is for inbreeders: [Re: HerbanShaman]
#3018020 - 08/18/04 11:37 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Trying to use the bible as proof of incest if futile because there are other passages saying its wrong.
Perhaps if it does both then it shows a contradiction? And if questioning established authority is futile then I'm the Pope :P
However, you'll notice that the laws against incest only come after Moses and the Old Covenant. So they weren't applicable for Adam and Eve.
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 Re: why christianity is for inbreeders: [Re: HerbanShaman]
#3018603 - 08/18/04 01:40 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yup I read that too: one woman and six men I believe.
The Discovery Channel has made a beautiful documentary on that called The Real Eve. Should it come around burn or tape it!
Genetically it can only be one smart women and six apemen. Somehow humanity never outgrew that setup 
Incest.. I'm sorry to bust some taboos, but Evolution is ruthless. Basically it kicks a billion PC's through the room, diosregards the many that break by it and the very few that are actually better off shall inherit the earth.
Mutagenic chemicals, radioactivity and inbreeding has made us into the people we are. That one cell got all sorts of lumping together and then that lump of flesh warped in all possible distorted shapes and we're the dinosaurs of our age.
They were scorched off the face of the earth by a comet striking Yucatan but we've evolved beyond the need for natural catastrophies.
For us, radioactivity, mutagenic chemicals and birth defects are plagues, but one in so-many billion wretched lives will spawn the next step in Evolution, even though I think like the One-Cell became an organism, the Organism got onto Land, then into the Air and then into Space, the next step logically will be to transcend carbon-based life and become Artificial Intelligence, choosing to live in the Universe of Knowledge that is our Internet. Next step is transcending time, thus space and somewhere beyond that perhaps lighting the firecracker of another Big Bang as our Universe will have dimmed.
We are free to do what we please because we might well take ourselves out of the loop within our lifetimes. Not by extinction, but simply ceasing to be the Crown of Creation, having created our successor, Homo cyberdimensionalis, to our image so we can fuck around for a billion years more looking in awe at the Messiah that returned from another dimension by silicon and electrons.
Imagine an AI free on the internet, being all over the place, hacking into the information, server and PC space it needs, growing exponentially by hijacking Terabytes, and later on Petabytes of space ad libitum at many THz of all those processors it nicks, a bit akin to the FOLDING project but then with a will of its own.
Ain't evolution wonderful?
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Re: why christianity is for inbreeders: [Re: eric_the_red]
#3021045 - 08/18/04 10:54 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Christianity isn't the only religion with inbreeding, many of them have it, especially the ancient Egyptians. I haven't heard about brothers and sisters getting it on as often as they do in the ancient Egyptian religion since I last watched cops. I don't get what the symbolism of inbreeding is, though, even the ancient nomads knew not to inbreed, so why do the relatively newer religions incorporate inbreeding so much?
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Re: why christianity is for inbreeders: [Re: eric_the_red]
#3021075 - 08/18/04 10:57 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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religion is the opiate of the masses
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Re: why christianity is for inbreeders: [Re: fearfect]
#3022689 - 08/19/04 09:57 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
fearfect said:
religion is the opiate of the masses
Or is opium the religion of the masses? 
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