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    #3011326 - 08/16/04 10:48 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbdown: Since the short time I've been back I've been overwhelmed by people who are still leaving tape on there jars. I'm not sure which tek suggests this but I will express my disappointment that there are still peeps doing this here. I've seen 6 or 7 cases since I've been back where jars have stalled because of no gas exchange, I've seen this dozens of times over the years so it's just something that people need to realize, gas exchange IS always good for a healthy culture. The pro's don't use tape why should you guys, if your not going to use foil then PLEASE take the tape off BEFORE you innoculate (of course) :wink: and leave it off. You won't be sorry as long as ya didn't fu<kup the moisture content of the jar! :wink: It would be nice to see much less "Why are my jars stalled?" threads. They will always be stalled jars, too wet, too dry, too cold, etc, etc; as well as those who will always defend taping the holes thats life but for those who want to take a step up in this hobby, Tip: loose the tape altogether and pass that on to all your friends and tell your enemies to leave the tape on and if they ask why well I can't help ya there I can't think of one reason besides to keep the water out thats it :wink: GL guys :thumbup:


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Re: Taping holes [Re: hyphae]
    #3011341 - 08/16/04 10:53 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

i dunno bout that. Jars seem to do really well if u tape em then once they are partially colonized remove the tape.


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Re: Taping holes [Re: hyphae]
    #3011347 - 08/16/04 10:55 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

i PC with tape and foil then once i nocc 'em up i leave the tape off and just use foil


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Re: Taping holes [Re: hyphae]
    #3011359 - 08/16/04 10:58 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

k dcyans......no tyvek? your post is vague.......are we talkin PF with 4 holes and a dry verm layer?


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Re: Taping holes [Re: hyphae]
    #3011371 - 08/16/04 11:01 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

oh shit... i didn't read the whole post.... sry, that first one is my PF procedure, for grain jars i just use a tyvek disc and cover the inoculation hole w/a bandaid


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Re: Taping holes [Re: PsyllyMe]
    #3011404 - 08/16/04 11:09 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Seriously are you really asking that question PsyllyMe? Obviously you could leave your innoc. hole taped because your using filters allowing for excellent gas exchange, this is for the one who are not.
negative try it without and see what a healthy culture grows like, my bet you most likely won't notice any difference :wink: I'll ask you a question why did you put tape on the holes? GL guys


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Re: Taping holes [Re: hyphae]
    #3011464 - 08/16/04 11:20 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

sorry dc.......i just read you post

it didnt mention filters

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Re: Taping holes [Re: PsyllyMe]
    #3011478 - 08/16/04 11:23 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

uuuuuh, was that an attack on my personal happiness? are u saying that i am not observant. i kill u DERp!


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Re: Taping holes [Re: negative]
    #3011561 - 08/16/04 11:42 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Good point PsyllyMe it was a good thing that was brought out;)
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Re: Taping holes [Re: hyphae]
    #3011705 - 08/17/04 12:25 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

sorry but i didnt get this.
so i have jars colonising with 2 layers of aluminum foil on top. the first layer is with the 4 holes and the second with no holes. i noticed that the jars have stopped colonising or are colonising extremely slow (they are on 80%). Should i take off the second layer? or both foils?
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Re: Taping holes [Re: Hamurabi]
    #3011743 - 08/17/04 12:39 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

No tape? You can take off the first layer with holes but it shouldn't matter unless ya have that foil wrapped super tight around the rim then maybe loosening the foil a bit would help. Where is the uncolonized portion?


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Re: Taping holes [Re: hyphae]
    #3011763 - 08/17/04 12:51 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

im rather new, but leaving my pint PF jars taped till partially colonized, then flipped after the tape was taken off but replaced with Tyvek seems a really good way to go, so tape till partially, then take it off


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Re: Taping holes [Re: hyphae]
    #3011766 - 08/17/04 12:52 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

my jars are the jars that the pf-tek shows in photos. No lid, just 2 layers of aluminum foil,the first layer with the holes and the other with no holes.

My uncolonised part in most of the stalled jars is on the bottom..
do u think i should take off the second layer of aluminum foil and let only the first layer with the holes?


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Re: Taping holes [Re: 4hodmt]
    #3011783 - 08/17/04 01:08 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Whats the reason your leaving the tape on? 4hodmt
Hamurabi in your case just flip it. Back when I was doing PF's tek we used nails or drilled the lids and one piece of foil over the top. At least thats what came in the instructions that came with his syringes :wink: Goodnight guys see ya in the AM :wink:


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Re: Taping holes [Re: hyphae]
    #3012010 - 08/17/04 02:30 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

would tyvek not be a simple addition to the pftek? you punch the four syringe holes, put a tyvek disc or layer over the top...not too difficult.

i've found a neat little trick where you can take a flashlight and shine it inside the jar to illuminate the syringe holes to mark them. makes it a lot easier :smile:


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Re: Taping holes [Re: dustz]
    #3012068 - 08/17/04 03:13 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Tyvek is not necessary in the PF Tek.


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Re: Taping holes [Re: dog]
    #3012094 - 08/17/04 03:31 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

The reason people leave them taped is because it keeps out contams.

Can a healthy substrate become contaminated? NO

How much colonizations is required before we can remove the tape? GOD KNOWS


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Re: Taping holes [Re: donkey_lipz]
    #3012118 - 08/17/04 03:49 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

The top layer of verm serves as a contam barrier (assuming of course that the cultivator did not intoduce a nutritive substance to said barrier).


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Re: Taping holes [Re: hyphae]
    #3012396 - 08/17/04 07:37 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

dcyans said:
I'm not sure which tek suggests this



Taken right from the pf tek under the title "Incubation of Jars"
"After inoculation of the jars, tighten the lid bands and retape the needle holes. Place the jars in a safe place out of direct sunlight."


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Re: Taping holes [Re: Julia]
    #3012400 - 08/17/04 07:38 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Taping holes [Re: Julia]
    #3012414 - 08/17/04 07:47 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

I know that you should remove the tape to allow for proper gas exchange but for a newbie who doesn't visit the message board often and who is following the pf tek step by step this statement is probably the reason that everyone is leaving tape on the holes.


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Re: Taping holes [Re: hyphae]
    #3012416 - 08/17/04 07:48 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

If you use cloth tape the kind they use for medicine. You dont have to worry about contams and it still allows for air exchange. But if you just get some tyvek for free from your post office you dont have to worry either.


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Re: Taping holes [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #3012518 - 08/17/04 08:33 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

TAKE THE TAPE OFF! thank you for your time. :peace:


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Re: Taping holes [Re: mycopsycho]
    #3012521 - 08/17/04 08:33 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

I say dont use tape in the first place.


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Re: Taping holes [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #3012529 - 08/17/04 08:37 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

well, use it while you PC the jars just to keep the water out. but after you nocc them up don't worry about it, just leave foil on top til you flip them. :smile:


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Re: Taping holes [Re: mycopsycho]
    #3012532 - 08/17/04 08:38 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

dont even do that. Use tyvek, In my opinion its all you need. No foil, No tape. Tyvek, its your friend.


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Re: Taping holes [Re: mycopsycho]
    #3012588 - 08/17/04 08:55 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

mycopsycho said:
til you flip them. :smile:



ugh.... i figured someone would have deduced i was talking about PF style jars (which dont need tyvek). but sure on a grain jar i would use tyvek and put a little bandaid over the hole.


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Re: Taping holes [Re: mycopsycho]
    #3013106 - 08/17/04 11:26 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

i was still talking about tyvek with pf jars. dcyans is right, sooo many people leave the tape on the jars when following the pftek. i did it the first time too and every single stalled jar blew up when the tape came off.

i'm sure the dry verm layer is somewhat effective as a contam barrier, but come on. would it not be beneficial to be able to use that space for more substrate? if someone can't handle putting a piece of tyvek over the lid then they probably should give up on the hobby all together.


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Re: Taping holes [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #3013116 - 08/17/04 11:29 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

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If you use cloth tape the kind they use for medicine.  You dont have to worry about contams and it still allows for air exchange.  But if you just get some tyvek for free from your post office you dont have to worry either.


That micropore tape is the shit (awesome) I use it all the time. Newbies don't need to tape them holes foil will keep the water out just fine if placed on properly plus you can write on it :smile: There is absolutely no benefit to leaving the tape on, besides I've seen far too many stalled jars recover as soon as the tapes taken off. I just want to see less "Why are my jars not doing anything" and more "Wow this is so easy!!!" as it should be.
That 1/4-3/8in. verm layer is fine IMO the extra room is really is really not going to make a hill of beans when it comes to doing those puny little cakes anyway IMHO. Again GL guys this is a fine site indeed :heart: :thumbup:


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Re: Taping holes [Re: hyphae]
    #3013282 - 08/17/04 12:04 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

no tape. no foil. you dont need any of it if your freaken inncubation chamber is halfway clean. ive always taken everything off after innoculation and ive only had one contam so far and it was from innoculation. i always just boil my jars.

and you want the layer of verm so u can create more room later if your doing invitro.


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Re: Taping holes [Re: Drone]
    #3013448 - 08/17/04 12:27 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

keep this shit up. people are going to start doing things half assed, spreading mis-information and n00bs grows are giong to get fucked up and people are going to complain when something goes wrong. remember, you are the fucking exception, not the rule god damnit!


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Re: Taping holes [Re: mycopsycho]
    #3013505 - 08/17/04 12:38 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

well i have a very clean house so that might help.

-oh and i think those boobs are the best ones yet. mmmmmm


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Re: Taping holes [Re: Drone]
    #3013948 - 08/17/04 02:06 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

I've found the moisture content of my jars is sometimes thrown off if foil isn't used during PCing, this has only happen in the beginning when I was a newbie the reason I figured out was that I let the weight giggle to much causing excess boiling which somehow made it into the bottom layer of jars not to mention I may of had too much water in there also :frown: I've made my share of mistakes and miscalculations as a matter of fact it could be a thread of it's own :crazy2:


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Re: Taping holes [Re: Drone]
    #3014280 - 08/17/04 03:13 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

what about this pair? they're kinda nice too. my personal preference is the FSRE tits though. can't go wrong with tits and spores!


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Re: Taping holes [Re: mycopsycho]
    #3014333 - 08/17/04 03:22 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

those are nice but the other ones are nicer because they dont look as fake. i think the last pair was the best. and that first pair you had with the redhead.


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Re: Taping holes [Re: hyphae]
    #3014345 - 08/17/04 03:24 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Dcyans is right about the foil keeping the water content right...
Use tyvek if you have it...that stuff is great for air exchange on PF jars and helps speed colonisation times


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Re: Taping holes [Re: OldSpice]
    #3014360 - 08/17/04 03:27 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

why did he bring up foil and PC'ing? i was talking about takin the foil off after innoculation.


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Re: Taping holes [Re: hyphae]
    #3014724 - 08/17/04 04:44 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

i unscrewd lids half way with no tape but foil. they colonized with no problems.these colonized 4-10 days quicker than tinfoil,no tape, tight lids. and 10-20 days quicker than tinfoil,tape,tight lids.i am a newbie and this is what i experienced my first grow,jim


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Re: Taping holes [Re: budro1]
    #3014784 - 08/17/04 04:59 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

No need to unscrew lids halfway just cracking them a half turn is plenty, Thats all I do anyway :wink: Great to hear your results budro1!


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Re: Taping holes [Re: hyphae]
    #3015032 - 08/17/04 06:30 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

personally I like Docs method of preparing jar lids...

http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/26004
(scroll down to where he prepares the jar lids)


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Re: Taping holes [Re: SHR00MiN]
    #3015197 - 08/17/04 07:10 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

wow, doc went crazy on the lids


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Re: Taping holes [Re: mycopsycho]
    #3015306 - 08/17/04 07:27 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

D is right though. Tape isn't needed on pf jars. Myself I do like it during pcing cause I don't use foil. (about a 1000 rolls of med tape snached from old job). Once I see myc start to grow I just take the tape off. like he said the dry verm layer is there for a reason folks.
If you worry about contams use a coffee filter. (not really needed but it makes a pretty dust cover)


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Re: Taping holes [Re: SHR00MiN]
    #3015316 - 08/17/04 07:30 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

I taught Doc everything :tongue2:


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Re: Taping holes [Re: hyphae]
    #3015422 - 08/17/04 07:54 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

one of my jars i did not put a dry verm layer on.i put substrate right to the top(this was my cleanest and most healthy looking and most white looking jar when fully colonized out of roughly 25 jars .i put coffee filter and put masking tape on holes with tinfoil,lid tight .this colonized almost as fast as my no tape, 1/2 cracked lids and tinfoil.jim


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Re: Taping holes [Re: SHR00MiN]
    #3015461 - 08/17/04 08:03 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Polyfil lids have always a good option too. You can innoc. right through the polyfil hole safely with a sterile needle. Any of you guys remember Mycotas Cadillac of lids? The Perfect Lid Theres links to a couple of other cool lids also :wink:


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Re: Taping holes [Re: hyphae]
    #3017363 - 08/18/04 08:33 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

oooo i see. this thread started to confuse me. you guys thought i said i boil my jars with nothing on. i meant i use tinfoil to boil and then i take the tinfoil off and use nothing.


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Re: Taping holes [Re: Drone]
    #3019155 - 08/18/04 03:45 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

What about bird seed jars? Do you need the tape the whole time?


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Re: Taping holes [Re: donkey_lipz]
    #3019353 - 08/18/04 04:26 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

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donkey_lipz said:
What about bird seed jars? Do you need the tape the whole time?


Tip: FORGET THE TAPE!!!!
edited to say: When doing whole grains use Tyvek or polyfil for filtration/gas exchange and leave tape on the inoculation hole if used. I'd recommend inoculating thru the polyfil or Tyvek, when inoculating thru Tyvek or any holes the tape to use is micropore (breathable) tapes then they can be left on.


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