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OfflineJulia
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Re: Taping holes [Re: Julia]
    #3012414 - 08/17/04 07:47 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

I know that you should remove the tape to allow for proper gas exchange but for a newbie who doesn't visit the message board often and who is following the pf tek step by step this statement is probably the reason that everyone is leaving tape on the holes.


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Re: Taping holes [Re: hyphae]
    #3012416 - 08/17/04 07:48 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

If you use cloth tape the kind they use for medicine. You dont have to worry about contams and it still allows for air exchange. But if you just get some tyvek for free from your post office you dont have to worry either.


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Re: Taping holes [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #3012518 - 08/17/04 08:33 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

TAKE THE TAPE OFF! thank you for your time. :peace:


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Re: Taping holes [Re: mycopsycho]
    #3012521 - 08/17/04 08:33 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

I say dont use tape in the first place.


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Re: Taping holes [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #3012529 - 08/17/04 08:37 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

well, use it while you PC the jars just to keep the water out. but after you nocc them up don't worry about it, just leave foil on top til you flip them. :smile:


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Re: Taping holes [Re: mycopsycho]
    #3012532 - 08/17/04 08:38 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

dont even do that. Use tyvek, In my opinion its all you need. No foil, No tape. Tyvek, its your friend.


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Re: Taping holes [Re: mycopsycho]
    #3012588 - 08/17/04 08:55 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

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mycopsycho said:
til you flip them. :smile:



ugh.... i figured someone would have deduced i was talking about PF style jars (which dont need tyvek). but sure on a grain jar i would use tyvek and put a little bandaid over the hole.


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Re: Taping holes [Re: mycopsycho]
    #3013106 - 08/17/04 11:26 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

i was still talking about tyvek with pf jars. dcyans is right, sooo many people leave the tape on the jars when following the pftek. i did it the first time too and every single stalled jar blew up when the tape came off.

i'm sure the dry verm layer is somewhat effective as a contam barrier, but come on. would it not be beneficial to be able to use that space for more substrate? if someone can't handle putting a piece of tyvek over the lid then they probably should give up on the hobby all together.


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Re: Taping holes [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #3013116 - 08/17/04 11:29 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

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hawksapprentice said:
If you use cloth tape the kind they use for medicine.  You dont have to worry about contams and it still allows for air exchange.  But if you just get some tyvek for free from your post office you dont have to worry either.


That micropore tape is the shit (awesome) I use it all the time. Newbies don't need to tape them holes foil will keep the water out just fine if placed on properly plus you can write on it :smile: There is absolutely no benefit to leaving the tape on, besides I've seen far too many stalled jars recover as soon as the tapes taken off. I just want to see less "Why are my jars not doing anything" and more "Wow this is so easy!!!" as it should be.
That 1/4-3/8in. verm layer is fine IMO the extra room is really is really not going to make a hill of beans when it comes to doing those puny little cakes anyway IMHO. Again GL guys this is a fine site indeed :heart: :thumbup:


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Re: Taping holes [Re: hyphae]
    #3013282 - 08/17/04 12:04 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

no tape. no foil. you dont need any of it if your freaken inncubation chamber is halfway clean. ive always taken everything off after innoculation and ive only had one contam so far and it was from innoculation. i always just boil my jars.

and you want the layer of verm so u can create more room later if your doing invitro.


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Re: Taping holes [Re: Drone]
    #3013448 - 08/17/04 12:27 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

keep this shit up. people are going to start doing things half assed, spreading mis-information and n00bs grows are giong to get fucked up and people are going to complain when something goes wrong. remember, you are the fucking exception, not the rule god damnit!


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Re: Taping holes [Re: mycopsycho]
    #3013505 - 08/17/04 12:38 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

well i have a very clean house so that might help.

-oh and i think those boobs are the best ones yet. mmmmmm


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Re: Taping holes [Re: Drone]
    #3013948 - 08/17/04 02:06 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

I've found the moisture content of my jars is sometimes thrown off if foil isn't used during PCing, this has only happen in the beginning when I was a newbie the reason I figured out was that I let the weight giggle to much causing excess boiling which somehow made it into the bottom layer of jars not to mention I may of had too much water in there also :frown: I've made my share of mistakes and miscalculations as a matter of fact it could be a thread of it's own :crazy2:


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Re: Taping holes [Re: Drone]
    #3014280 - 08/17/04 03:13 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

what about this pair? they're kinda nice too. my personal preference is the FSRE tits though. can't go wrong with tits and spores!


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Re: Taping holes [Re: mycopsycho]
    #3014333 - 08/17/04 03:22 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

those are nice but the other ones are nicer because they dont look as fake. i think the last pair was the best. and that first pair you had with the redhead.


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Re: Taping holes [Re: hyphae]
    #3014345 - 08/17/04 03:24 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Dcyans is right about the foil keeping the water content right...
Use tyvek if you have it...that stuff is great for air exchange on PF jars and helps speed colonisation times


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Re: Taping holes [Re: OldSpice]
    #3014360 - 08/17/04 03:27 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

why did he bring up foil and PC'ing? i was talking about takin the foil off after innoculation.


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Re: Taping holes [Re: hyphae]
    #3014724 - 08/17/04 04:44 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

i unscrewd lids half way with no tape but foil. they colonized with no problems.these colonized 4-10 days quicker than tinfoil,no tape, tight lids. and 10-20 days quicker than tinfoil,tape,tight lids.i am a newbie and this is what i experienced my first grow,jim


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Re: Taping holes [Re: budro1]
    #3014784 - 08/17/04 04:59 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

No need to unscrew lids halfway just cracking them a half turn is plenty, Thats all I do anyway :wink: Great to hear your results budro1!


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Re: Taping holes [Re: hyphae]
    #3015032 - 08/17/04 06:30 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

personally I like Docs method of preparing jar lids...

http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/26004
(scroll down to where he prepares the jar lids)


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