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InvisibleSwami
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(Some of) The Bible can be tested
    #3009023 - 08/16/04 03:08 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Leviticus: Chapter 20:

28: And if a man shall lie with his uncle's wife, he hath uncovered his uncle's
nakedness: they shall bear their sin; they shall die childless.

29: And if a man shall take his brother's wife, it is an unclean thing: he hath uncovered his brother's nakedness; they shall be childless .


I would wager heavily (the usual $20,000) that I can find people that have committed this sin and who are not childless.

Leviticus also speaks out against eating Sushi and getting tattoos.


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Re: (Some of) The Bible can be tested [Re: Swami]
    #3009045 - 08/16/04 03:20 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

You are taking this way out of CONTEXT

If you don't know what that means it means

To only read a small part of a larger picture and make the wrong conclustions.

I would be willing to bet if you carefully read the entire chapter or better the chapter before and after you would find the bigger lesson in the words.

To many people do exactly what you are trying to do.

You have not proved anything at all

The passages are speaking of the reward you can recieve from breaking the most sacrid barriers in personal realtionships.

The reward being nothing,death and failiure

The Book of Leviticus deals with this subject in many ways.


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Re: (Some of) The Bible can be tested [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3009091 - 08/16/04 03:34 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

If only more people agreed not to take the Bible literally the world would be a better place? Or a worse place? Who knows?


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Re: (Some of) The Bible can be tested [Re: Zoso_UK]
    #3009132 - 08/16/04 03:43 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Worse? It couldn't be worse than it is now. You know, with the world's police state's president taking it so literally to justify his pathetic little crusade.

On topic: the Bible shouldn't be taken literally, even for Jews or Christians. Most of Leviticus' laws were written while the Hebrews were in the desert. Not bearing children meant the disappearance of the clan on the long term. That's why it would be a terrible punishment. If you want to aplly that to today's world - seeing as most of us don't live in the desert if they're visiting the shroomery - you'll have to interpret all Judean laws as referring to the context they were written in.


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Re: (Some of) The Bible can be tested [Re: Alan Stone]
    #3009150 - 08/16/04 03:46 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Yer, I agree...

Bush is a right wanker.


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Re: (Some of) The Bible can be tested [Re: Swami]
    #3009164 - 08/16/04 03:48 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Those old laws/punishments don't exist anymore anyway, as the new testament explains it


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Re: (Some of) The Bible can be tested [Re: ld50negative1]
    #3009185 - 08/16/04 03:52 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Old testament same as Old contract

New testament same as New Contract

New cancels old


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Re: (Some of) The Bible can be tested [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3009193 - 08/16/04 03:53 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

The only real problem I can see is the one that most Jews have with Christianity. God says in the Old Testament that his laws are eternal and yet according to Christians, cancels them all a few thousand years later.


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Re: (Some of) The Bible can be tested [Re: Swami]
    #3009198 - 08/16/04 03:55 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

29: And if a man shall take his brother's wife, it is an unclean thing: he hath uncovered his brother's nakedness; they shall be childless


Well this happened to someone I know, and they had a son


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Re: (Some of) The Bible can be tested [Re: Zoso_UK]
    #3009222 - 08/16/04 04:02 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Yes but Jesus also said "Thru me is the only way to salavtion"

And Jesus said on the day sabbethof when he performed a miracile " Is the sabbeth day greater then the sun of man?" Or something close to that.

Point being Jesus said several times that the laws of Moses were to be obeyed but that nothing is coming to the father but thru Him.

So all of the old laws dealing with salvation and comunion with god were in fact cancled out.

Thru Jesus is the path to God. And that is why the bible can seem confusing in this respect.

God's laws are eternal and everlasting. But not the laws of men.


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Re: (Some of) The Bible can be tested [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3009309 - 08/16/04 04:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

But the point is that the Old Testament laws are the laws of God not men, according to the Bible. Why would God's plan involve his own eternal laws which he is then going to cancel? Surely his coming on earth would not conflict with his supposedly eternal laws?


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Re: (Some of) The Bible can be tested [Re: Zoso_UK]
    #3009322 - 08/16/04 04:24 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I don't really know


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Re: (Some of) The Bible can be tested [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3009523 - 08/16/04 05:03 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Hey......the Mormans believe what Joseph Smith said........and it can be proven to all be fallicious......it's funny in this world that people "need" someone or something to worship!

The Bible is a great book with many great lessons on life. Scripture has, and will be debated till there is no longer two men that find it worth doing so. And that time will come.

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Re: (Some of) The Bible can be tested [Re: PsyllyMe]
    #3009622 - 08/16/04 05:21 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

The old testament has nothing to do with Jesus.

Yea...he know the old testament, and yea.....he agreed with a good bit of it.

Lets get some things straight though.

1) Jesus was not jewish, his parents were. He was not religious. If he was, why did he know Yoga, meditation, etc?


2) Jesus said that anything written is Dead, and cannot compare to the Living scripture, the Spoken Word


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Re: (Some of) The Bible can be tested [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3010240 - 08/16/04 08:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

lol can the bible be any more vague`?


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Re: (Some of) The Bible can be tested [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #3010286 - 08/16/04 08:53 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

if you read revelations, yep


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Re: (Some of) The Bible can be tested [Re: Swami]
    #3010660 - 08/16/04 10:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Wasn't Leviticus a book of law? So maybe that means that they would die childless because the authorities would kill their children.


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Re: (Some of) The Bible can be tested [Re: silversoul7]
    #3010803 - 08/16/04 10:50 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe The Message was "don't sleep with your brother's wife", and they embellished a little :wink:


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Re: (Some of) The Bible can be tested [Re: silversoul7]
    #3010813 - 08/16/04 10:52 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Even so, Leviticus is today's source of anger against Gays, yet no one is publicly calling for the death penalty for the hundreds of crimes listed in Leviticus nor is there a Christian or Jewish moratorium on sushi or making love to your wife while she is menstruating.


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Re: (Some of) The Bible can be tested [Re: Swami]
    #3010828 - 08/16/04 10:58 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Perhaps one problem is the way that priests created the Bible, long after the apostles were all dead..


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