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Re: Job Outsourcing [Re: Annapurna1]
#3020406 - 08/18/04 08:33 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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The advocation of subsidies and targeted tarrifs is nothing more than the advocation of corporatism, Mussolini would be proud. Please explain citing facts and figures which will back up your assertion, how higher taxes used to subsidize certain industries translates into the average person having more money to spend. Please explain citing facts and figures which will back up your assertion, how higher tarriffs (which increase the price of goods) provide people more money to purchase goods. Please explain citing facts and figures which will back up your assertion, how increasing taxes on goods allows people to have more disposable income and hence, more money to buy stuff. Please explain citing facts and figures which will back up your assertion, how having less capital available after increased taxation increases investment in new or existing businesses, leading to job creation.
-------------------- To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.' Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence. Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains. Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.
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Re: Job Outsourcing [Re: Evolving]
#3021922 - 08/19/04 02:28 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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heres some facts & figures...
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The notion of job creation through public investment rather than private is anathema to conservatives, of course. But the burden of proof is on those on the right to demonstrate how private investment in a global economy creates jobs here at home. And why the hell our tax policy should boost income in Bangalore, not Baltimore.
so now i want to know what kinds of facts & figures you have to back up this rediculous notion that tax giveaways to the rich..which includes removing tariffs on 3rd world sweatshop labour..have ever helped to better economy for the the average shmoe...i think that all the F/Fs will show that "trickle-down economics" means that your getting pissed on...
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Re: Job Outsourcing [Re: Annapurna1]
#3023168 - 08/19/04 11:47 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sorry, your link does not offer explanations to address the requests that I have brought up regarding your spurious claims, it is a piece against George Bush.
You have made the claims. You have not backed them up. Can you at least be honest and admit your inability to reply directly to the requests?
-------------------- To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.' Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence. Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains. Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.
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Re: Job Outsourcing [Re: Evolving]
#3027928 - 08/20/04 09:36 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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you asked for facts & figures...the figures are there..and the facts must necessarily speak against bush...but whether you choose to accept them or not..the burden of proof still falls on YOUR shoulders...and to that end..you cant even produce a link..because its wrong...
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The advocation of subsidies and targeted tarrifs is nothing more than the advocation of corporatism, Mussolini would be proud.
(*) as if advocating tax cuts for wealthy corporations..and their executives..isnt advocating corporatism...
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Please explain citing facts and figures which will back up your assertion, how higher taxes used to subsidize certain industries translates into the average person having more money to spend. Please explain citing facts and figures which will back up your assertion, how higher tarriffs (which increase the price of goods) provide people more money to purchase goods. Please explain citing facts and figures which will back up your assertion, how increasing taxes on goods allows people to have more disposable income and hence, more money to buy stuff. Please explain citing facts and figures which will back up your assertion, how having less capital available after increased taxation increases investment in new or existing businesses, leading to job creation.
i never even said any of that..so stop putting words into my mouth...the only claim i have made is for the necessary role of tax codes in maintaining checks and balances..as detailed in the link... OTOH..i dont doubt that a would-be recipient of the said tax cuts (*) will see it as such...but just because their the elites doesnt make it so...
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Re: Job Outsourcing [Re: Annapurna1]
#3028043 - 08/20/04 10:17 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Annapurna1 said: you asked for facts & figures...the figures are there..
Those were NOT addressing what I was requesting. Is it really that hard for you to comprehend?
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the burden of proof still falls on YOUR shoulders...and to that end..you cant even produce a link..because its wrong...
Funny, you were the one making the asinine assertions...
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Annapurna1 said: ...an economy only works if ppl have $$$ to buy your stuff.. and LION..that generally requires a system of checks and balances which includes artificial subsidies.. tariffs.. taxes.. etc...
(Emphasis added to highlight idiocy.)
Please back up the unfounded assertions implicit in your statements. How do artificial subsidies, tarriffs and taxes provide money for people to buy stuff? Don't subsidies require taxes? Don't subsidies favor certain businesses over others (corporatism)? Unless tariffs are of a flat rate, don't they also favor certain industries (corporatism)? By increasing the prices of competing goods, don't tariffs allow domestic suppliers to increase their prices thereby benefitting those domestic industries (corporatism) while sticking the consumers with higher prices, reduced choices and less disposable income? Don't taxes on goods or services increase the prices of those goods and services and hence result in less disposable income? Don't income taxes decrease an earner's disposable income?
-------------------- To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.' Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence. Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains. Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.
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Re: Job Outsourcing [Re: Evolving]
#3029977 - 08/20/04 07:23 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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i dont have to back those assinine assertions that you made for me...but theres also a flip-side..that being implicit counter-claim that trickle-down economics works..which is pathetically easy to debunk .. http://www.rationalrevolution.net/trickle_down.htm http://www.rationalrevolution.net/american_income_taxation.htm and i strongly recommend reading the rest of the site too..to cure you of your simple-minded views...in the mean time..i see no point in humouring you any further...
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Re: Job Outsourcing [Re: Annapurna1]
#3030412 - 08/20/04 09:50 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Of course you don't see the point, that is apparent from the clueless responses you attempted, but more so from your refusal to even try to directly address my challenges to your own words. Your insistence on posting links is a sorry substitute for critical thinking.
-------------------- To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.' Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence. Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains. Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.
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