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Offlinekadakuda
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active coleus?
    #3003172 - 08/14/04 02:51 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

i have been searching and continue to but doesnt seem to be much info at all about it. it seems to be all the same info recycled and reworded. So does anyone know what the active chems, if any, are in them? the closest iv come to is its salvia like and the natives regard them to be very similar (coleus male, salvia female...hence lady salvia) but that is far from proof. i dont think it would be salvanorin a, the small small "high" i got from it was not much in common with salvia, but did have a familiar feel.

anyway what is know about this plant? i currently have Coleus pumas, and am sorta experimenting with it now and then. it sure clogs the fuck outa pipes, very very resiny.


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Re: active coleus? [Re: kadakuda]
    #3003540 - 08/14/04 05:45 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I thought Coleus Blumeii is what you want ut there's little good information to find about it. probably not worth it but maybe someone here has more info on it


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Re: active coleus? [Re: kadakuda]
    #3003864 - 08/14/04 11:18 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Coleus blumei I believe is the active species, although maybe others are as well. I have tried smoking blumei with absolutely no effect, but I've heard a tea made with fresh leaves is the best way to go. I actually have some made from 40-50 leaves waiting to try me out soon :smile:


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Re: active coleus? [Re: deff]
    #3003966 - 08/14/04 11:58 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

all the people that claim it worked say it has to be fresh in order to work...
it never worked for me.
it is funny how the water washes the colours off... =D
(and we drink it)


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Re: active coleus? [Re: felixhigh]
    #3004024 - 08/14/04 12:22 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I was surprised at how red the tea became, it smells a little funky too. I'm not expecting much, but who knows... maybe coleus will become my new best friend :smile:


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Re: active coleus? [Re: kadakuda]
    #3004264 - 08/14/04 02:17 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I don't want to discourage experimenting with this plant but 5 years ago a friend and I made tea from a half bucked of freshly harvested Coleus Blumei leaves. When it was ready I only tasted some and didn't want to drink it anymore. My friend drank all of the remaining tea (allmost 2 litres or a half gallon!!!) spread over the whole evening. He felt nothing but a very slight drowsiness that could easely have been placebo.


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Re: active coleus? [Re: kadakuda]
    #3004474 - 08/14/04 03:45 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Do a search at www.erowid.com there you will find all the info you will need.

My experiments with this plant left me wanting shrooms


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Re: active coleus? [Re: Funkey]
    #3004581 - 08/14/04 04:14 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

it tastes really bitter.


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Re: active coleus? [Re: felixhigh]
    #3004585 - 08/14/04 04:15 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

There are tons of reports and literature about them being psychoactive. I am assuming that it may be regional and that the ones in the nurseries today are hybridized and inactive. Maybe you should travel down to oaxaca and talk to some of the natives about it and see if they know anything regarding its activity :smile:

Road trip anyone?


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Re: active coleus? [Re: Aneglakya]
    #3004591 - 08/14/04 04:19 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

in all seriousness

a trip to the oaxaca region has been a dream for years

i would be willing to go somtime in the next 12 months

want to orginaize somin??


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Re: active coleus? [Re: Aneglakya]
    #3004598 - 08/14/04 04:23 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

ohh if only i had teh money to drive that far....have wanted to for ages. anyway i searched erowid and there was little info, just experiences. i was looking for any active's that anyone knew about but i guess its still unkown.

just fo rthe hell of it im doing an alcohol extract (same as i would hash). hasnt evap'd yet but is bright green, like absinthe. after a while of evap it is starting to go a dark goldy brown colour. anyway ill try, nothign to loose.

my plants are still small (my constant picking probably doesnt help), so next season ima get the bitches big and try teas and maybe try a salvia type extract. should at least learn somthing.

and by the way twice i have had a very short and mild effect from dried leaves. they were both with pot so i cant say for sure. anyway both times i had a sudden "rush" or pressure in my head, in a very odd but pleasant way. lasted maybe a minute tops and then felt lightly stoned (from the weed). i would try it more if it didnt clog my pipes every time i use it. ill try tonight and let ya know if anything (no weed this time).


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Re: active coleus? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3004599 - 08/14/04 04:23 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

meet you guys there, i come from the south. LOL...
wish i could...
your point is very strong alk...


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Re: active coleus? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3004605 - 08/14/04 04:25 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

as has it been mine. I actually met a Mazatec Indian who is a grower of salvia divinorum and he shared many stories with me , about the shamans and the culture there and with all the literature I have read on the place it sounds amazing.. Supposebly after wasson's mushroom experience was printed in TIME magazine, and before terrence and his brother published there Psilocybe mushroom growers guide , everyone thought that the only way to get psilocybes was to visit their natural environment in oaxaca.. This led to a lot of tourism down south by hippies and supposebly this angered a lot of the natives there because it turned into a matter of profiting from something very sacred. nonetheless i still think it would be excellent to visit. I would be down for a visit. Maybe if we contacted a travel agent and got enough people we could get a good discount on some plane tickets or something and head on down there... If others are interested and wish to do a specific study we could easily organise something , I know people in oaxaca so I will see what info we need.. Also, maybe I'll head to barnes and noble's and get a book on the culture to find out some relavent information..


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Re: active coleus? [Re: Aneglakya]
    #3004607 - 08/14/04 04:28 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Hell, If we went and documented our findings, and had particular goals in mind we could easily publish what we discovered.. Phytopharmacologically active plants native to the oaxaca region in mexico. We could all write about our experience and publish what we find out from the natives about the folk lore of particular plants, and hell maybe even find the next big entheogen. :smile:

"just fo rthe hell of it im doing an alcohol extract (same as i would hash). hasnt evap'd yet but is bright green, like absinthe. after a while of evap it is starting to go a dark goldy brown colour. anyway ill try, nothign to loose. "

Was this with dried material? Maybe you could use the salvinorin extraction method to get the goodies out of ths plant. Has there been any terpenes found in coleus?


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Re: active coleus? [Re: Aneglakya]
    #3004616 - 08/14/04 04:32 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

"and by the way twice i have had a very short and mild effect from dried leaves. they were both with pot so i cant say for sure. anyway both times i had a sudden "rush" or pressure in my head, in a very odd but pleasant way. lasted maybe a minute tops and then felt lightly stoned (from the weed). i would try it more if it didnt clog my pipes every time i use it. ill try tonight and let ya know if anything (no weed this time). "

When experimenting with entheogens like this I recommend not using in conjunction with marijuana or other substances as this may contribute to the confusion of its activity. I know tons of people who have got high from smoking Dragons blood (what they thought was opium) simply because they mixed with pot.

I'm glad you are researching though. If these are store bought plants make sure that they are not treated with any chemicals or pesticides.. Also, make sure they are not the fancy hybrid varieties with tons of different colors and serrated leafs. I dont know the particular species/subspecies that is but i'm certain they are not active in anyway.


The effects you report sound very much like salvia, have you ever had salvia before? I would like to see some salvia niave individuals try it and see what they report. If they report a similiar experience I would be impressed as those who have had salvia, and know that coleus is thought to have similiar effects, may have predetermined what effects to look for and sort of con themselves into believing they experiencing effects Ala Placebo..

Thank you for contributing informaiton and research to this plant.


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Re: active coleus? [Re: Aneglakya]
    #3004660 - 08/14/04 04:52 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

yeah i try and make the point that i had weed too.  it was actually cause i was stoned that i tried it.  but now im going to do it sober and clear headed.  i will be doing it in an environment wher ei am totally comfortable and am able to think crystal clear, so hopefully placebo will be easy to detect if any.

"Was this with dried material? Maybe you could use the salvinorin extraction method to get the goodies out of ths plant. Has there been any terpenes found in coleus? "

i used fresh leaves for the alcohol extraction last night, should be evapd and ready around 6ish (4 hours).  i dont have enough plant material to do many different types, which is good as i cannot do them very close together (i would if i could probably...).

I will do the salvia extracion next year unfortunatly, i wont have enough fresh goods to do it this year i dont think.  but we will see, it looks like it may be a long ass season this year.  plus i cant find many of those chems that were mentioned in the extract by divinorum, i would love to try that oen with it...could be dangerous so much more planning would be a must.  interesting how it was said that the salvinorin is on the outside of the leaf.  if it is only good fresh maybe that has something to do with it, and possibly can dried in a way to prevent whatever might happen.  wish i was smart enough to understand chemistry, facinating shit.

"The effects you report sound very much like salvia, have you ever had salvia before? I would like to see some salvia niave individuals try it and see what they report. If they report a similiar experience I would be impressed as those who have had salvia, and know that coleus is thought to have similiar effects, may have predetermined what effects to look for and sort of con themselves into believing they experiencing effects Ala Placebo.."

yes i have done salvia, never triped to the heavens like lots do, but knwo the fealings it provides at lower levels quite well.  it was similar but certainly not the same.  was very different, but in comparison with other drugs quite similar.  hope that made sense.

as fo rhte trip, im definatly down but definatly not this year.  have a lot going on and am broke.  next spring/summer is best travellign time for me.  then i have money and time :smile:  if anything ever comes of this let me know, mods can probably get a hold of my e-mail.  warning though, i am a nature nut so plants are not the only things i'll be going for. :smile:  and i speak english, unfortunatly that is it...hope your a good translator  :crazy:


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Re: active coleus? [Re: kadakuda]
    #3004668 - 08/14/04 04:55 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

ps. if anyone has any seeds let me know. i am interested in starting a little patch next season. it is a beautifull plant.


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Re: active coleus? [Re: kadakuda]
    #3004673 - 08/14/04 04:55 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

The trip would be something that should be well organized and would take at least 10-12 months to set up. I would come up with some sort of structure needed to take notes and document our findings so that we could get it published. I know a publisher who would do this for us.


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Re: active coleus? [Re: Aneglakya]
    #3005204 - 08/14/04 08:46 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

that would be more than an experience of a life time! let me know if anything comes up, me really interested!!!


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Re: active coleus? [Re: kadakuda]
    #3005645 - 08/14/04 11:35 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

hmmm this is weird. the alcohol is taken a really long long time to evaporate. i started it around midnightish i think and its no 830 pm...normally with hash its all done (if the same amount) and dried within the hour, this has taken 20 hours already and has gone down mybe 1/3...quite strange. its in a well ventilated place has been high 70's-low80's whole time, in fact i took it outin the sun for a bit and still nothing. it has gone a light brown now. im putting it on a heat pad and am gonna add a lamp to it so i can try it out tonight. ill let ya know what happens, not expecting much but we shall see.


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