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experment with Horse butt & spores
    #3001349 - 08/13/04 04:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

A friend has some nice Horse poo.  Its been out sitting for quite some time and it's  supposedly covered in the good "white" bacteria.

  He wants to know if he re hydrates it, ( just enough to get kinda soft while still keeping its shape)  and sprays some spores on it will this work.  He's planning on putting it in a jar and incubating it. 

How far is this from what shrooms do in real life?  (eg horse eats grass w/ shroom spores takes a dump and poof, out (eventually) comes shrooms)

Thank you, and yes this is a serious question :smile:

(also he would be using a "chunk" not a large huge piece, just incase that matters)


Edited by thatbig (08/13/04 04:54 PM)


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Re: experment with Horse butt & spores [Re: thatbig]
    #3001353 - 08/13/04 04:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

From what I have read hores poop isn't the best thing to use.


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Re: experment with Horse butt & spores [Re: thatbig]
    #3001359 - 08/13/04 04:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Moe's outdoor tek

It's not as smiple as ypur friend thinks

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Re: experment with Horse butt & spores [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3001365 - 08/13/04 04:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Okay, yes I've read around where someone did and experment on different substrates in a jar, (i think it was anno?) and horse poo did not do well and brf was in fact the fastest. Fair enough.

My 2nd part of the question if this will not work how does the processes work in real life, and what makes that successful ?


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Re: experment with Horse butt & spores [Re: thatbig]
    #3001384 - 08/13/04 05:02 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You'd be better off spawning some grain and just colonizing the poo normaly.


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Re: experment with Horse butt & spores [Re: Magash]
    #3001404 - 08/13/04 05:06 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

yes, my friend has this going as we speak, but being the curious bugger that he is, and considering he's a farm boy with actually T O N S of horse ass available he wanted to see if it works.

Also, he was curious about the "life cycle" of a shroom and how they actually grow from shit out in nature:)


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Re: experment with Horse butt & spores [Re: thatbig]
    #3001414 - 08/13/04 05:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Let me say this I have a freind ( really ) who has a dairy farm in mich. his barn is frikin huge. In the back there is big horse arena with one side open to the air. it is very humid and wet in there because he piles up all the cow shit and old staw and stuff. We get shrooms out the ass for like 4 months out of the year. Here's how he does it.

Get blender
Fill with 1 oz very fresh shrooms, stems, caps and all
Add water, any water
Blend up very fine
Get one of those big canester sprayyers they use on a farm
Fill with shroom water
Go over to the shit piles in barn
Spray everywhere, the shit ,the walls ,the ground, everything
Keep the area damp
Wait
Harvest about 2 -3 weeks later
Keep it damp
Reharvest over and over


I think the reason this works so well for him here in Mich is because the whole operation is done under a huge roof which keeps the sun off and keeps the humidity high

Only thing I know is he keeps us all in Shrooms, making my hobbie efforts seem a waste. but I love it


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Re: experment with Horse butt & spores [Re: thatbig]
    #3001445 - 08/13/04 05:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

This is IMO only.

Cow eats grass that mushroom spores have fallen on(or maybe the shroom).Then while in the cows stomach(incubating chamber) spores germinate into myc.There growing .Doing there thing.Then one day.
Into the great outdoors they go.The cow pie harden's on top.Myc keeps growing.One day outdoor condations are just right.Then the furiting happens. COOL


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Re: experment with Horse butt & spores [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3001453 - 08/13/04 05:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Well I'll have to tell my friend about that one, I just saved this thread.  Yes He has a sheltered area but the compost pile is located around the back of all the stalls in the direct sun.

Maybe he can just take some of the compost  and make a mini compost pile in the covered area?

Thanks for the info 'nuckle it's greatly appreciated:) :thumbup:


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Re: experment with Horse butt & spores [Re: thatbig]
    #3001468 - 08/13/04 05:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hummm... they actually begin growing in the cows stomach?  Is this really true? 

Anyone else?  :shrug:


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Re: experment with Horse butt & spores [Re: KaptKid]
    #3001470 - 08/13/04 05:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

He he he...if that happen the myc would be digested and we'd have some tripping ass cows. What happens in the cows stomach is the straw and stuff that they eat is prepared in there. Like when we pasterize. The horse poop dries a little piss evaperating and then gets moist again with water (rain, heavy dew and so on) and boom shrooms. (or pretty close to that anyway).


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Re: experment with Horse butt & spores [Re: Magash]
    #3001481 - 08/13/04 05:24 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

shoulda known you'd have the answer :bow:


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Re: experment with Horse butt & spores [Re: thatbig]
    #3001507 - 08/13/04 05:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hey Magash has worshipers COOL You should start a Shroom Cult LOL


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Re: experment with Horse butt & spores [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3001706 - 08/13/04 06:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Fucknuckle said:
From what I have read hores poop isn't the best thing to use.




9 flushes of foot long + shrooms isn't good?

3M's Dung Tek
I have used this particular Tek to grow mushrooms for awhile now. Credit has to go to Psychonaut for turning me on to using dung and also to the gremlin that screwed up and didn't follow my instructions. This is the result of his screw up and if it works for you like it has for me then I doubt that you will want to try any other way.

What I use:

1 5x9 aluminum bread pan
1 cup of colonized wheat
a pillow case full of well composted horse dung
a large pot of boiling water
a bread knife
a grow chamber


Step 1: place colonized grain in an aluminum bread pan and allow to sit in chamber until the grain knits together nicely(2 or 3 days). With this size of pan you get a layer about 1" thick.

Step 2: Bring pot of water to boil and submerge pillow case of crumbled horse dung in the hot water. Remove from heat. Allow it to steep for 45 minutes.

Step 3: Drain the dung and allow to cool overnight.

Step 4: Squeeze excess water from the dung with your fist and crumble it over the grain in the pan. Fill the pan to the lip with the crumble dung. Consider the dung as a casing. Place back in your chamber and keep humidity around 85-90%

Step 5: Initiate pinning when mycelium starts breaking through the surface.

Step 6: After you have harvested your flush remove the mycelium from the pan and gently hold it on it's side. You will see the line where the dung joins the grain. Carefully slice off the entire dung layer and recase with fresh dung. Repeat steps 1 to 6.

After the 5th flush remove the dung layer and crumble the grain into fresh dung filling the pan to about 1/2-1" below the edge and case with more dung. Post flush in this phase slice off the top 1" of your mycelium loaf and replace with fresh dung again.


My record using this method is 9 flushes and 4 months before contams claimed the pan. You will find that your subsequent flushes are larger then you are used to since there is more nutrition available to the mushrooms then when using verm or peat based casings.


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Re: experment with Horse butt & spores [Re: Hangnail]
    #3001720 - 08/13/04 06:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: experment with Horse butt & spores [Re: Magash]
    #3001840 - 08/13/04 07:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Sounded good to this old stoner :stoned:


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Re: experment with Horse butt & spores [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3002321 - 08/13/04 10:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

are you insane?.....horse poo is quite possibly the best substrate to grow from....its full of nutes and has an airy texture so no straw is needed(like cow poo) and produces amazing flushes....it also colonizes extremely fast

BUT I don't think spraying spores will work you'll have to spawn it with colonized cakes or grain or other colonized poo

horse poo that was accidentally shocked into fruiting early from sprint mornings so it didn't even get a casing layer



and pics of the harvest





day 8 and only used 1 qt of millet




Edited by Iamthewalrus (08/13/04 10:48 PM)


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Re: experment with Horse butt & spores [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #3003165 - 08/14/04 02:50 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Well I've saved this thread, lots of interesting information in here.

That seems to be alot of handling of the myc there? Any fear of contams?


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Re: experment with Horse butt & spores [Re: thatbig]
    #3003448 - 08/14/04 04:48 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

thatbig said:
Well I've saved this thread, lots of interesting information in here.

That seems to be alot of handling of the myc there? Any fear of contams?




Keep clean hands and wear rubber gloves if you're worried.


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