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PF JAR QUESTION
    #2999067 - 08/13/04 04:30 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

OK at what percent myc. colonization do i flip my jar so they know the real "up" im excited becuase my foaf has her myc just starting on her first jars. Its cool looking stuff.. also their coverd with tin foil still... good or bad?


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Re: PF JAR QUESTION [Re: scape]
    #2999088 - 08/13/04 04:44 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Usually you just flip them if you start to notice a slowdown in growth. The foil on the sides won't hurt anything.


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Re: PF JAR QUESTION [Re: scape]
    #2999113 - 08/13/04 05:12 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

if anything the foil on the lid will help baecause it will prevent contaminats


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Re: PF JAR QUESTION [Re: scape]
    #2999486 - 08/13/04 09:34 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Generally I've heard 75 to 85%, but it really depends on your conditions, so use the "when they slow down" method.


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Re: PF JAR QUESTION [Re: Spudz76]
    #2999781 - 08/13/04 10:45 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

i just flip at 50 and they do great.


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Re: PF JAR QUESTION [Re: scape]
    #3000044 - 08/13/04 12:14 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I never flip them.


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Re: PF JAR QUESTION [Re: meanoldman]
    #3000057 - 08/13/04 12:18 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

how long does it take you to get to 100%?


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Re: PF JAR QUESTION [Re: meanoldman]
    #3000087 - 08/13/04 12:27 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I've flipped them as needed but not always.


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Re: PF JAR QUESTION [Re: hyphae]
    #3000090 - 08/13/04 12:27 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

IME it tends to make the process a little faster.


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Re: PF JAR QUESTION *DELETED* [Re: mycopsycho]
    #3000136 - 08/13/04 12:40 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: PF JAR QUESTION [Re: Adden]
    #3000364 - 08/13/04 01:22 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Colonizing jars need co2 guys the problem is lack of gas exchange that stalls jars given all environmental factors are close to optimum. I've had most jars fully colonize from spore to full colonizaton in under 20 days some in 15. Taping holes has stalled more jars IME than anything else :blush:


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Re: PF JAR QUESTION [Re: scape]
    #3000438 - 08/13/04 01:36 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

you got alot of good info above this post.Get ready to rock and roll.


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Re: PF JAR QUESTION [Re: mycopsycho]
    #3000542 - 08/13/04 01:57 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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mycopsycho said:
how long does it take you to get to 100%?




100% covered in myc, lees than two weeks starting with spores
I don't birth them right away however, I wait for them to get a good number of pins started in jar before birthing them.

I know you are thinking that takes too long. It doesn't really take any longer after the first batch gets birthed. The new ones (replacements) are always ready before the old ones in the tubs have run out. It just takes a tiny amount of planning to get them started a wee bit earlier, so they'll be ready when you need them.


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Re: PF JAR QUESTION [Re: meanoldman]
    #3000974 - 08/13/04 03:39 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for all the wonderful info, this is the first attempt ever. it took 8 days from innoculation to start of conlonization. they were looked at every day then forgot about from day 5-8 and their was about 30% colonization WAS very surprised. lol its kinda like water boiling the more you watch it the slower it takes... lol. Thanks for all the help you mushroom maniacs...


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Re: PF JAR QUESTION [Re: scape]
    #3001057 - 08/13/04 03:52 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

i'm a psycho not a maniac, but your welcome!


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Re: PF JAR QUESTION [Re: scape]
    #3001106 - 08/13/04 04:01 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Lack of gas exchange does NOT stall jars. Co2 buildup is actually beneficial to growing mycelia, its the fruitbodies that need oxygen in large quantities. What stalls jars mostly is waterlogging, or an abundance of wa=ter in places, usually the bottom of the jars. Flippint the jars introduces air exchange which draws off some of the moisture and cures the reason for the stall, so the mycelia start growing again.

That being said, jars should not be flipped until they are fully colonised (unless stalled). Normally a jar should colonise within 12 days from innoculation time, but this is under ideal conditions with reasonably fast germinating spore. It can take up to 30 days for a jar to colonise. A jar that is past 30 days and not yet near full colonisation is likely stalled or has bacterial contams.

The reason you flip them after they're colonised is not for air exchange, its to expose the bottoms of the jars to the light.


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Re: PF JAR QUESTION [Re: MikeOLogical]
    #3001488 - 08/13/04 05:26 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Lack of gas exchange does NOT stall jars.  Co2 buildup is actually beneficial to growing mycelia, its the fruitbodies that need oxygen in large quantities.  What stalls jars mostly is waterlogging, or an abundance of wa=ter in places, usually the bottom of the jars.  Flippint the jars introduces air exchange which draws off some of the moisture and cures the reason for the stall, so the mycelia start growing again.

That being said, jars should not be flipped until they are fully colonised (unless stalled).  Normally a jar should colonise within 12 days from innoculation time, but this is under ideal conditions with reasonably fast germinating spore.  It can take up to 30 days for a jar to colonise.  A jar that is past 30 days and not yet near full colonisation is likely stalled or has bacterial contams.

The reason you flip them after they're colonised is not for air exchange, its to expose the bottoms of the jars to the light.




Lack of gas exchange does stall jars Mike! gas exchange and fresh air exchange are two seperate things. you are correct myc loves lots of co2 as much as it can get (fact) And people who have partially colonized jars should not be flipping them for light :wink: Learn the difference between gas exchange and FAE then we'll talk :wink: :peace: GL Mike


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Re: PF JAR QUESTION [Re: hyphae]
    #3001886 - 08/13/04 07:30 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Please explain the difference between

gas exchange

and

fresh air exchange


Because I believe that they ar two different terms for exactly the same thing.


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Re: PF JAR QUESTION [Re: meanoldman]
    #3001985 - 08/13/04 08:13 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I have so many times already :frown:

Gas exchange: The ability to release builtup gases resulting from the myc's metabolic activity (consuming substrate). A result of this inability to relaese these gas creates EXCESS myc piss which BTW is a normal process (myc piss) but an excess is not. (do not lick your cakes or leave your holes taped) :wink:

FAE (fresh air exchange) is the lowering of the co2 concentration through the introduction of fresh air plain and simple. A good fresh air exchange includes the stagnated moisture pockets of the casing surface (microclimate).

You will learn if you really pay attention meanoldman :wink: GL


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Re: PF JAR QUESTION [Re: hyphae]
    #3009975 - 08/16/04 06:54 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

well, if you relly want to change the subject of this thread from the subject of when to flip the jars to the subject of which is the proper word to use in what situation, that would be thread-jacking and is considered quite rude...

I hate when people try to derail meaningful conversation with meaningless semantic arguments...

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