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Icke's Reptiles
    #2996422 - 08/12/04 06:19 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

Hello friends and lovers. I come to you in search of answers. I went to deoxy and they all insulted me (strange in a place you'd expect to find love and peace).

I was wondering if anyone had heard of David Icke's shapeshifting reptiles? (http://www.davidicke.com) If so could someone please explain? He really goes in circles and theres no place to really find on his site what he's actually talking about. I couldn't find a better forum to post this in as this question may pose many other spiritual/sociopolitical questions in turn. Anyone? :peace:

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Re: Icke's Reptiles [Re: djeda]
    #2996433 - 08/12/04 06:22 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

He really goes in circles and theres no place to really find on his site what he's actually talking about.

And your still interested with what he's all about, or do youjust want to know if he's legit? What braught you to him in the first place?



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Re: Icke's Reptiles [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2996445 - 08/12/04 06:26 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

I downloaded a bunch of ebooks from Kazaa and i got Icke's Secret History of the US. I got interested and read an interview in which he explains it. What I meant to say was the WEBSITE goes in circles, not him. What I want to know is does someone understand/believe what he is saying? Could someone then explain it? :peace:

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Re: Icke's Reptiles [Re: djeda]
    #2996506 - 08/12/04 06:39 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

I dont know, I particularily dont have the time to jog a few circles around this site, maybe ask in Off topic Discussion...alot of those guys are bored as hell...



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Re: Icke's Reptiles [Re: djeda]
    #2996608 - 08/12/04 06:57 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

Sorry...I don't know much about that. There are some here who may be able to shed a little light.

Be careful though...there are some here who will insult you too.

What you're searching for is what's searching.

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Re: Icke's Reptiles [Re: djeda]
    #2996864 - 08/12/04 07:48 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

i used to read icke, but he jumps to some conclutions without offering any real evidence other than saying the info was relayed to him from an insider. still, he has done quite a bit of solid research that is quite interesting...i cant say i believe him to have the truth, but i think he may be closer than most would give him credit for...i also wonder at times if he himself is an insider trying to create a fear in people....

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Re: Icke's Reptiles [Re: djeda]
    #2997136 - 08/12/04 08:46 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

Have you heard any of his interviews on Coast to Coast am? I haven't read any of his books (yet) but after listening to a few interviews by him there is no doubt in my mind I will. I can't get enough of this guy, his british accent, he has such a playful yet serious approach to the things he talks about..he seems like the type of guy that could host a childrens tv show. Personally, in a weird sort of way, I think he has a perfect persona to passionately talk about the things he does. I have a couple interviews up on soulseek if you would like them drop me a pm.

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Re: Icke's Reptiles [Re: ekomstop]
    #2997695 - 08/12/04 11:04 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

very interesting man that icke.

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Re: Icke's Reptiles [Re: djeda]
    #2997817 - 08/12/04 11:32 PM (13 years, 13 days ago)

Here is what I have picked up from other people and from random sites (not Icke's site). (BTW- You'll find this and very other similar stories on hundreds of sites on the web- a lot of them quote the bible)

You must first believe in the existence (or past existence) of another planet in our solar system that only rotates(d) the sun every 3600 years in an ellipse. This planet is referred to as the 12th Planet or as Marduk. It was the home to a civilization of people called the Draconians. They were very tall, strong reptilian creatures with advanced technology and knowledge. Anyways- supposedly they ran out of resources and came to earth to mine precious metals (mainly gold). So at first they used a work force of their own kind to mine huge gold mines in Africa- these mines are still present today and are dated back to atleast 100,000 years. So supposedly these workers rebelled and the Draconians came up with a new solution- mix some of their genes with primate genes and then you've got a human. Make humans mind gold for a long while and then they split when they were done. We don't have a reason as to why there are 100,000 year old gold mines- we definitely weren't doing that on our own. We won't get into what these "aliens" are like but their culture is supposedly fucked up. Yet these creatures are in the bible; they're referred to as the Nephilim and perhaps the Elohim. Now I think Icke has this whole theory that a lot of people in today's society are half-Draconians- and the bible does have a passage that read something like this (I paraphrasing/fudging)-  They were giants whom walked  among men in those days. And they came forth and gave birth unto the daughters of men- and those children grew to be very strong and powerful men. Now I left a bunch out, but that message is definitely in there, if that is not verbatim, which it isn't. Anyways- so I think Icke thinks that all of the English royalty and others are half draconian-half human. I'm not exactly sure but he definitely is a wacko...go some good/interesting ideas though. Just my two cents.

PS- What is interesting is that most of the Bible tales are based of Sumerian tablets that have Sumerian creation tales written on them. But those stories are a lot more revealing and interesting. They in detail describe the aliens who came from the heavens- the Sumerians also knew so much astrological shit at such an early age that it still bewilders us. They knew facts about the earths rotation that takes atleast a period of 2600 years to observe and they had detailed descriptions of all the planets- and when NASA finally got a probe by all the planets- the descriptions matched the terrain almost word to picture. Sumerian culture is also the oldest known organized civilization- the earliest organized man.

Interesting stuff to say the least-  :wink:

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Re: Icke's Reptiles [Re: Teragon]
    #2999163 - 08/13/04 05:48 AM (13 years, 12 days ago)

wow, you would think more people @ deoxy,
would have sipped enough Yage to see them.

i saw the white lizard men in my dreams as a child...
imagine my amazement when i found out they were REAL.

better get a pair of Blue Cobalt sunglasses,
and read this book: http://www.angelfire.com/rebellion/free/contents.htm

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Re: Icke's Reptiles [Re: djeda]
    #2999994 - 08/13/04 12:01 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

I read a couple of his books and they really freaked me out. I think his ideas are fascinating. I truly would not be surprised if what he is stating is true....

I haven't read his newest book though. He just spent a bunch of time in the Amazon basin, doing Ayahuasca and hanging with the natives there....it seems he learned a lot. My sister just went to one of his lectures and she said it was awesome.

Once in awhile you can get shown the light

In the strangest of places if you look at it right...

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Re: Icke's Reptiles [Re: djeda]
    #3000186 - 08/13/04 12:51 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

Icke makes more sense to me if I think of his ideas metaphorically rather than in the literal sense which he seems to take them in.

I.e some of the shady people in places of power have characteristics that we may call "reptillian" i.e cold blooded, emotionless etc rather than George Bush is a lizard man from Zeta Reticuli or wherever!

Then again perhaps Icke is right!!

As long as you keep an open mind you should have fun reading his stuff but i wouldnt recommend taking him at face value unless you can find some reliable verification outside of what he writes...by the way let me know if you do!!


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Re: Icke's Reptiles [Re: djeda]
    #3001178 - 08/13/04 04:16 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

What exactly is it that you want to know about them? Teragon gave a great summary on their being referenced in the Bible! Yet, most of us know the bible has been edited and tampered with along the way.

It's my personal opinion that bias's are in the Bible related to the "fallen ones" the nephilim as having turned against the will of some God and fell from grace etc. It serves the church to paint a story of the fallen angels because it supports the idea of evil, punishment and being in need of Gods salvation from it. Knowing that side of the church makes me think that the story about the nephilim being bad and evil are all bullshit.

I think the dracs etc. are going to come out smelling like roses as the viels lift and I think they are currently very misunderstood. From what I have read here, it seems most people don't beleive in a god that judges and punishes or in evil forces out to get us, I don't.
I wish to understand these beings better, even if it is just to understand them as an archetype.

My beliefs in free will leads me to think that the fallen ones chose to fall (into and density and consciousness) further more, gut intuition tells me that many of them were the original planners of creating the realms and duality and the illusion of separation so we could deepen self understanding through our experiences here. Better then that, by being able to experience separation and duality, we get to come into our soverignity within the whole. This is big to me.

It's as if a piece was taken from the whole and made to forget itself and is then filling itself with the whole through re-membering itself , to know what it is. This would be like turning something inside out and right side in again to see how it is made and what it is made of or taking something apart, splitting it and putting it back together again to understand how it all works. I typed it here before, it's for the purpose of being soverign in our individuality, a whole within the whole, thats why I love the hologram stuff, it all fits and makes sense.

I don't see our forgetfullness, or duality, or the illusion of separation as something the mean bad evil aliens did to us to control us. I see it as being something many creator gods put into play to serve the divine will to know itself.

I wouldn't be to quick to judge them because we don't know enough yet, but rationing based on the idea of free will tells me, that there is much more to this story, because beyond this dimension of duality , evil and opposition doesn't exist. That's 3 and 4 D stuff.

If it serves anyone to beleive in bad evil aliens out to control you then, party on! They'll have you for supper until you remember the above and that is we are one and aligned, even if it doesn't appear that way. Everything works for the greater good of the whole in the end in my book.

As many people come to face their higher soul aspects and 'demons" they may find their own ties to the nephilim. We are one. I say, make an aliance with the energy and learn from it.

We were talking about morphegenic fields in the Fractal post. Shapeshifting is morphing. These beings supossedely could morph into a dolphin if they wanted to. They have a lot to teach us if we quit fearing them. If we are the creator gods fallen into the hands of our own creations in this incarnation, then we also have a lot to remember about who we are and what we can do.

I have an article related to the 'stories" about the gold mining all of you familiar with this may be VERY interested in. Has to do with the heart.

I'll post it here.

I replied to this mostly to re-mind people to keep an open mind and not be quick to fall into fear while considering the possibility of the their existance, like that damn movie SIGNS wanted everyone to do.

Just my current perspective on this and it is subject to change as more "oneness" info comes my way. I certainly intend to only better understand the stories and the beings or the archetypes purpose, not add something to fear to the mix of life.


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Re: Icke's Reptiles [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3001323 - 08/13/04 04:46 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

Here's the article I said I would post that sheds more light on the gold mining stories and a whole lot of other stuff. The compassion stuff is good! It's a very interesting read.

Gold Powder vs Heart.. Alchemy's Darker Moments
by Daniel Winter , 8/22/99

9/24/99 Please see Part2 of this Article-at bottom here: GOLD Powder2:Inert Superconductors vs Self Aware Steerage from Heart

return to soulinvitation.com/sitemap.html

this paper follows the original:GOLD/MANNA/ORMES & THE HAZARDS OF IMPLOSION: soulinvitation.com/implosionhazards/implosion.html

closely related- (inset 1/2001) - Note this article is best read after a basic reading / understanding of HOW the sounds of love in the Heart create the phase pumping in the spine 'bliss' juice (sacro cranial pulse)... please see: IS THIS RECURSION?KEY TO THE HARMONIC GEOMETRY OF BIOLOGICAL OSCILLATORS (transcript of keynote lecture to National Polarity Association talk by DAN WINTER on the Heart Emotion's Mechanism to Induce the Spine Pump - Sacro Cranial Pulse).

also related:

The Implosion Phenomenon: Psychological Import of Phi Harmonic Music Phi Scalar Technology & MonoAtomic Gold..

- Can or Should we Really SEND LOVE?

Inset note here: Jan 2003:How to Use HeartTuner to Optimize and test the production and usefulness of Gold Powder-

Gold Powder ormes becomes molecularly stable in the mono-atomic state IF the completion of it's fractal (self-similar) valence electron array can be supported electrically. This means that a.) a capacitive field which is self similar- / spectrum analyzes to PHI ratio harmonics - can facilitate its production. And that b.) you can measure the potency and availability of ORMES service to molecular implosion in the blood by analyzing it's charge field using HeartTuner - for PHI ratio cascades in it's capacitive radiance.... as explained at:

Invitation:Biophoton's Next Step- Measuring Life Force - ref: soulinvitation.com/biophoton


Here-Excellent Pictorial investigation of the SubAtomic Shape at the root of Ormes-Gold Powder:Paranormal Observations of ORMEs Atomic Structure

related to the gold/ormes conversation:

Holy Grail in Blood, Spin Path of Love into DNA
... of the Grail Kings, ShewBread-Gold Powder & More.. article links. (the Gold Powder/Manna Ormes
has the nuclear geometry of exactly these animations). Scenario set.. The local galactic sector was ...
soulinvitation.com/grail.html - 15k - 1999-11-28

AllMonde Bread: Gold's Fractal Structure vs: Embedding as Immortality
... one way amount to a simple ad for another silver bullet medicine: shew-bread (almond bread)/manna/
ormes/spice.. Yet without USING the pure principle of how to SHAPE THE HEART WAVE INTO
soulinvitation.com/gold/index.html - 40k - 1999-09-19

TaleEating:Lightspeed Ensoulment-dna squirts woim toining into face
... ...wORME * Worms Head, also Wormeshead, from O.N. ?rmr, "snake, serpent, dragon." Great
Orme's Head in North Wales has the same derivation....
soulinvitation.com/ensoulment/index.html - 50k - 1999-10-15

Black Hole, Bardo Quest and Heart of Orion
... gold does a pop-corn inside out maneuver in it's electron shell geometry. David Hudson calls this
Ormes. You can watch a fine white powder precipitate on Gold in a well charged pyramid. This was
called ...
soulinvitation.com/orion/orionheart.html - 73k - 1999-09-19

Critcal Mass Intention & Heart of Gold
... gold which suggests a relationship to pure intention, in addition to alchemy, is the David Hudson,
Ormes, mono-atomic white gold powder "manna" product. Medical reports from users suggest,
revitalized ...
soulinvitation.com/critmass/critmass.html - 12k - 1999-09-19

Reptilian Brain Learns to Feed the Bird Brain
... of their mining is Adam and Eve, or Isis and Osiris. (Sitchen). Now David Hudson offer's you
ORMES gold powder for immortality for only dollars (and your soul). Scene 6. The Hypothalmus Spark
Gap between ...
soulinvitation.com/coatels/ - 11k - 1999-09-19

SUN Heats up Human Hearts - Magnetizing Millenial Matters:new from ..
... term electrostatic seeding of auric & dna implosion by external means such as - gold powder
/ormes/spice/manna - gold colloid - microhydrin (gold symmetry at ANU level inside dodeca clathrate
water ...

Note the comments here about Gold Powder Manna, apply almost in many ways to the MicroHydrin which is the same phi implosive hydrogen ANU principle tucked into a dodec water Clathrate cage. Similarly, it is very powerful but dangerous if the psyche simple passively embeds/ borg like, instead of actively choosing to embed.. Heart like! (Much interesting correspondance recently with Pat Flanagan on this, clearly his microhydrin is potent health wise, and it is useful to add the psychological emotional dimension of inner discipline to its use..)..

Nice little comment connecting Hydrogen Golden Geometry and his MicroHydrin Product to Phi Harmonics, the Heart & DNA just in from Pat Flanagan:

Dan.."I wanted to give you my observation. Since Randy M has noted that
Balmer Hydrogen emissions are on a PHI ratio. This means that when H:- is
taken into the body, it blends its PHI harmonic emissions into all the
cells. This is a form of atomic phi resonance tuning. Then, you
consciously send love to all the world with the Heartlink attached to
show the PHI tuning of the heart --- you then draw the H:- ions out of
the body into the auric field around the body and you become one with
the one-verse.

My secretary had a dream in which I came to her and explained that H:-
is the only ion that moves from the body into the aura. H:- can even
penetrate steel! Anyway, she said that I told her that we had a
spiritual DNA in our energy body. I told her in her dream that H:- ions
form the braid that generates DNA of the spiritual body. The DNA that
we "consciously" create as we live in the physical. The subtle energy
of the light body needs to be stabilized. The H:- ion is the bridge
that allows the light body to become a permanent spiritual vehicle.

She told me that her dream was so profound and so brilliant that she was
told to remember it."


(note from Dan W: pictures of hydrogen ANU compared geometrically to the heart and heart of the sun at Heart of The Sun: Perfecting 7/5 Turning Inside Out Solar Heart Symmetry )

The conclusion of Lawrence Gardner's article..(Starfire in the major Gardner index at: www.geocities.com/Capitol...quest.html ) quoting:

"...it's been proven scientifically that the Red Gold, the Gold that effects the pineal gland, absolutely that the white gold effects the pituitary gland. By taking substances from both, you will be producing both Meletonin and Serotonin. Serotonin feeds the pineal gland, and produces more Melotonin. So, by taking both of them, you are going to end up taking from the "Plant Of Life". And, just as it said in Genesis, ... "BEHOLD HE IS BECOMING LIKE ONE OF US." (endquote)


it sounds like an American Medical Association ad for an expensive new disempowering Medical silver bullet.

Very much as opposed to:

An interesting recent quote from John K:.

"Before I came across the supporting information, I had always been Suspicious
about the current Push for Everybody to take the White Powder.
I wonder if you have ever seen the movie Dark Angel; typical American Action sorta movie..(ed:The movie he's referring to was titled "I Come In Peace" and starred Dolph Lundgren and Brian
Benben. Also, the "milky white serum" injected into the victims (to stimulate their pituitary glands) was cocaine. The victims would OD, and then the extraction was made from the victim's third eye.) These extra-terrestial Giants With Fair hair, Tall and Dark looking characters come down from space with the specific reason of collecting Human Endocrinal Secretions, They have these devices on their wrists which shoot out and Inject their Victims with a white milky Serum, then another tube comes out and Sucks the Endocinal Secretions from the Pineal Gland...
Because they can't produce their own... NATURALLY. Well Metaphorically speaking this may be what is happening..
Sir Lawrence Gardner has always talked about the art of Extracting the Telomorase Enzyme and other Secretions (Secrets.) from Human organisms, (Young Woman just after puberty have the highest concentration of this Star-Fire in their Ovaries.)

He has always played down and De-mystified the whole Vampiros Fear and Forever Praising The Draco (Dragon) and their role as the Saviours of the poeple, I am yet to hear him give people any self-empowering Information on the power to Control or Empower them-selves and I have Spoken to him and Heard him talk on many occasions.
If people are increasing their Secretions without the Psyche or Control To direct them, It will superconduct/ Magnify their Fear, They will be destroyed or Milked from their Astral Demons from Lower Astral Dimensions, ...

Are the Draco's Pushing us to take WPG because...
... they are using us now with the help of Reptilians to Increase our Endocrinal Secretions so they can milk us to increase themselves as we don't have the Psyche to deal with them... hmmm - another side of the Hollow earth theory....
I believe that you .. would be quite interested in Mr. Icke's View
on Lawrence Gardner. www.davidicke.com/icke/ar...blood.html
& Particularly on 'gland milking' at www.davidicke.com/icke/ar...liens.html "

The book (which describes many famous historical figures like Alexander the Great, dying from misuse of the gold powders) is called ...."A Suggestive Enquiry of the Hermetic Mystery",
by Mary Anne Atwood, 1918 edition. Published by William Tait in Belfast.
It contains MANY MANY secrets, it's a bit hard to find, but it mentions people who have gone DarkSide ... Addictions. It talks about thousands of different ways to make it ... (hard cover with Hermetic Triangle in Circle on the Front Cover.) Mentions lots more famous people Dying from the Stuff... a few more interesting books are:
Producing Precious metals at home: by Joe E Champion,
Discovery Publishing, po box 67 west boro wi5 4490. (U.S)
library of congress: 94.70366 ISB:1.884928.32.3 Jan 1994.

Alchemy the ancient Science: Neil Powell -Aldus Books ISBN 49000346x
Hope they are of some use.....

The key to White Powder Gold consumption seems to be in the Externalization of your essence.
Every-body = Different... Not Every-Body can take the Same WPG.. Unless they want to join the mass... Chaos? ... The ancients/wise/Alchemists etc.. all Describe A different Method, But the trend seems to be the Discovering of their own Essence, and the Symbolic alchemical Manufacture of their Seed in an Elixer. Everyones Red Lion Should be different and they should be able to manipulate it with their Seed, (eso/exo -terically)...
Turn your Gaze Within!!! over and over again... Know thy Self and you will know the Power of the Gods.... - Egyptian Inscription...
Know thy Gods - 1st Rule of Pythagoras (Golden Rules.)
I think we are on the Right Track Dan. You are right people must know the Dangers.... J.
Ps but can we damper the EGO? ......MonoMania, One Drink Cures All???? "


end quote..(from John K.)

Another very interesting view largely confirming Gardner's view about the need for the StarFire implosives in the mentrual blood.. (not necessarily recommending it's al-chemical synthetic Gold Powders) is at Hugh Colmers: www.crosscircle.com/Celes...20Fire.htm

(begin Dan Winter commentary

So what are we missing here. On the one hand we are being told by Gardner that the entire origin of our planet's major genepool was rooted almost entirely in this Gra-al quest for the Gold (Powder).. Ormes/Manna/Spice/Shem-Manna/StarFire.. Messeh/Messiah..

Gardner exquisitely explains the origin of dozens of key words in religious myth, directly from their use in these Gold Powder cooking up operations. Ritu became Ritual, Flow-er (of Menses Messesh) became flower, Shem-Manna became Shaman, Cayin Cain became King, Enlil became Jehovah, and on and on.

While I realize that probably many generations of old religious scholars will have to die off before many will take Gardner seriously, I for one am absolutely intrigued and enjoy his scholarship. I agree with almost everything he says, particularly the radical material about Enlil changing his name to Jehovah in order to make fools of the Rabbi's, and Akunaton changing his name to Moses in order to be a better revolutionary and Gold Powder chef. For me, all of that material fits hundreds of other sources I have been studying for 15 years, particularly Sitchen, Collier, Morningsky, etc.. Again I HIGHLY recommend everyone read Lawrence Gardner, to see the tomfoolery that has passed for religion (soulinvitation.com/religion ) on this planet. The Sumerian tablets make the Bible look like a childish, disjointed and parochial fairy tale. Thank GOD. (And I AM VERY MUCH CERTAIN THERE IS A POTENTIAL COLLECTIVE INTELLIGENCE IN THE FIELD THAT CAN RADIATE BETWEEN EMPOWERED GENETIC MATERIAL).

BUT, after digesting much of his work, IT IS CRITICAL that you don't swallow (literally) ALL the spin doctoring PR from a Draco like Gardner (and I don't speak of him as a Draco disrespectfully). It is the parts of the story which Gardner CAREFULLY AVOIDS which make his work dangerous.

Gardner gets it right that Ea/An's 2 sons, Enki versus Enlil were very divided on how much psychokinesis to allow their Clones on this planet. I don't think Gardner understands that the very word NIBURU meant experiment in blood line cross from human to reptilian. An from Sirius who sired Enki/Enlil was a humanoid cross with Reptilian/Dragon himself. His sons brought that 'war of the brothers' to Earth.. to Cain and Abel and to East of Eden (where I was born). Also, there was a certain large expense to be offset in the capitalization of the costs of such a large articificial genespicing planetoid Niburu and it's Hiburu staff.

Obviously, if you make Clones (Adam & Eve) in order to mine the immortality Gold Powder, you don't train the slaves to eat your profits. (See how Gilgamesh gets angry at the Annunaki for not sharing their seeming immortality - bardo wormhole..'Incunabula' at www.earthportals.com/Eart...inter.html )

This could explain some of the angry Yalweh/Enlil profit monkering over his Gold mining operations. (And his later return to claim his turf.. Draco's shape shift out the Secretary of the Navy after Dulce war's etc...Reptoids Interfere with study of Federal Underground: www.cbjd.net/orbit/text/tal.html, www.reptoids.com, unless a certain critical mass of us WERE TO CHOOSE TO STOP BECOMING BORGS. When you tell most people our governments are being parasitized wholesale by the borg Draco Orionist ..they say I dont want to know.. (Collier, -Andromedan council, (www.lettersfromandromeda.com and www.geocities.com/CapeCan...ngar/2276/ ) Branton, Bill Cooper, Phil Schneider FIREFIGHT at Dulce: www.gemini.org.uk/Twins/u...ider.htm.. (Schneider built Rand's deep underground military) Michael Ash,., The most detailed and in depth Underground Base & Dulce & Reptoid "Branton" Summary Links:www.angelfire.com/ut/bran...dbook.html , See the movie "They Live".)

But there is another important angle.

If we are to believe Rakie's "Golden Ones" story ( soulinvitation.com/origins ), those same Orion group, Enlil types which Gardner makes hero's as Draco(n)'s (Mag becomes MAGdalen) came back here to recover SOMETHING EVEN MORE IMPORTANT THAN GOLD. This was the ability to craft DNA which could be ensouled, and time travel. This required something akin TO THE FIRE OF STARS, in the Genes!!

(They came back here because the skill to keep GENES squirting faster than light into time, was lost for the WHOLE GALACTIC SECTOR the day THIS PLANET STARTED CLONING AND GENETIC ENGINEERING) Please see how genetic engineering by breaking up the long wave braid patterns in DNA literaly prevents the faster than light wave cascades up it's central zipper (ensoulment) at soulinvitation.com/food .

So if we have learned anything, IT IS THAT THIS GOLD POWDER MINING FAIRY TALE is literally just the smoke screen cover story for the real VALUABLE COMMODITY OF THIS GALAXIES TRADING HOUSES. The PRIZE is now and has always been HOW TO GET DNA & GENE'S WHICH COULD LITERALLY ENTER INTO STARS! (For which the Gold atom was merely a little detonating trigger, when in the context of glands which could TAKE OVER THE STEERING THRU LIGHT SPEED..)

Now we have discussed elsewhere, that this skill to get DNA braided so that it's field effects EMBED implode themselves into anything outside them. (soulinvitation.com/embedability ) And that this skill to get the structure of DNA aligned into this perfect self-containment, apparently emminates from the Heart. It's simple a sonic pony tail from a coherently ecstatic heart, does the braiding of your DNA which lines up the short waves (codon sequences) to the long waves (long sonic envelopes in DNA's braid). This then allows the slinky wave mechanics to add and multiply recursively up and down the ladder, accounting for the wave velocities eventually heterodyning or simple beating thru lightspeed. (soulinvitation.com/superDNA & also Braiding DNA, Is Emotion the Weaver? ) Faster than light implosion lightning at the center of DNA is measureable (William Pensinger) (same for gold filaments under hi amps!). For the physics of how this properly heart induced implosion accounts for the gravitation we call black holes etc. (the solution to Einstein's quandry to model the geometry of inPHIkni implosion to understand why black holes bend time).. please see: soulinvitation.com/predictions .

SO IN SUMMARY this gland induced but GENETIC ability to embed your DNA fields and therefore YOUR FIELD OF AWARENESS, into ANY FIELD OUTSIDE YOU, eventually leads to creating centering and gravity force, which bends light, and thus is creation as a wave mechanic. (STARFIRE for real). The purpose of this conversation is to put those clues together with the Gold Powder controversy to get some perspective on how best indeed to stir up the brain./ heart juices into a STAR fire which is SUSTAINABLE and SELF-steering as a wave / worm.


Now we all can remember the rush of added spin the moment we really feel compassion for some great genetic event. Like yesterday I was watching the Turkish Earthquake victims on CNN, and there was a certain moment when I really FELT the anguish of such a huge part of our colletive genepool. And at that moment I felt a definite rush of fire and tingling in my blood. I was absorbing spin. I was eating memory into embedding... electrically. Probably in some glandular way you could say, the trigger field effect which got me into that DNA speed-up by spin embedding, WAS TRIGGERED IN MY HEART... feeling....

The trick here is to differentiate between what is the role of DNA speed-up from things like Gold powder and other silver bullets, versus DNA lightning by actual self generated Glandular events of ELECTRICALLY eco-shifting magnitude.

In this difference, appears to lie, the key to Millenia of evolutionary squabble and agony, going right across the galaxy, in which squabble our little planet is merely a novel skirmish.

To give Gardner a little credit he at least notices that dead Gland juices (Melatonin/Seratonin) from Pineal/Pituitary, are bad. He continues sadly to wax absolutely poetic however about the Gold and Platinum prepared powders, somehow implying that these indeed are THE SOLE NECESSARY SOLUTIONS TO IMMORTALITY. All the while he blissfully ignores, that overuse of these powders is clearly very much the reason his Annunaki Draco heroes had to come here and rape our genepool in the first place. THEY HAD BECOME GLANDULARLY JUICELESS (literally heartless- Draco's heart's split in 2.. they have 2..see Branton&Schneider- talk about fractionation). PRECISELY CAUSE THEY ATE THE STUFF!!!

This is the minor detail which costs those borgs their souls.

Let us look practically at the results of gold powder consumption. Ears ring, immune system rebounds, biological immortality seems assured. Who could knock the stuff, heck we are only dollars away..

Doesn't this seem a little unlikely given our knowledge of biological evolution. Any time life force becomes repeatedly more sustainable as a wave, some actual self generated WILL seems to be involved. If all it took to get DNA up to speed enough to enter into stars was enough gold powder in the diet, don't you think this little galactic squabble would have been over long before Enki and Enlil had to change their names to Adoni and Yalweh in order to better enslave their clones. There is a little deeper plot here Mr Gardner you Draco spin doctor.


Let us leave the revolutionary history out of fairy tales squabble here for a moment and focus on the simple plumbing mechanics which makes ecstacy and therefore LIGHTNING (STARFIRE) IN THE DNA ... and sustainable gold powder possible.

The heart's sound waves FEELING compassion, wonder.. generate a phi harmonic series, which snake charms the spine pump to get the hi UV out of the sex organs into the pineal/pituitary. (soulinvitation.com/kundalini , soulinvitation.com/isthisrecursion/apta.html )

Now if we were to look at the geometry of the pineal gland around which the residual gold powder is deposited during proper ecstacy:

(pineal on right)

We begin to worm in to the true principle:


(which WAS triggered by this same ratio in the HeartLinked EKG)

We see that the map to the TRUE electrical geometry of what makes GOLD POWDER monoatomically stable (see soulinvitation.com/gold ) Basically of course the electron symmetry into perfect PHI based embedding is the same in the GOLD atom as it is in the Pineal... when phi-ray'd by the Heart.

Even the brain liquid ventricles reshape themselves into this exact same perfect Ram's horn, (to sonically focus the spine juice pump waves onto the pineal pituitary as the 'softening' trigger) when the plumbing is pressured up from the Blue Dish enough to make you HORNY.

So is this the storal to our mory about needing to use the Heart to get there instead of the Gold Powder?

But why then did they all agree it 'takes gold to make gold'?

And even Thoth agreed with the Egyptians that there were some psychological/spiritual exercises which would avoid the fractionation of the personality when eating Gold Powder.

First: why would the personality fractionate? (literally blow apart in the face of too much phi-re).

Second: how could some WORK FOR THE PSYCHE prevent the damage of too much chemical implosion.

Here is the clue: the CHEM in alchemy, literally means from the BLACKNESS. (CHet in Hebrew: from the depths). From the Black hole.. comes inertia thru lightspeed. The only harmonics to grab wave fronts going in and out of light speed (black hole) ARE the perfect heterodyning/beating which GOLDEN RATIO permits. This then is literally THE ONLY STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN WHICH EVER EXISTED. It is a discipline of geometry. AND IT DOES HAVE A PSYCHOLOGICAL requirement unequivocably required.

EMOTION and MEMORY and IMAGE and INNER VISION are all simply names for field effects which become holographically phase disciplined enough to become sustainable. The HI DENSITY FEELING OF LIGHT COMING IN WHEN YOU FEEL VERY CONNECTED TO SOMEONE/THING OUTSIDE YOU, ...

both produces and is produced by this all-chemistry of PHI implosion. (As we have proved in the Heart Biofeedback spectrum analysis showing -not octave but- PHI spacing BETWEEN harmonics at the moment of wonder/openness/compassion.)

So to engage this dynamic of fields converging implosively - that is LITERALLY THE SOLUTON TO NUCLEAR FUSION.. (Sun- heart making)

is BOTH:

-create the physics of PHI harmonics (alphabetic elements of the heart..symmetry.. sepher yetsira)

-create the EMOTION of ONLY WHAT IS PERFECTLY SHAREABLE..distributable as a wave..(zoom in forever to the 2 PHI spirals on your 4 year old's valentine card)


So the personality fractionates when the gold powder solubility implosion sucks too many radio stations into your DNA (ear ringing piezoelectric braid). Without the WILL to sort memories, DEATH IS ALWAYS THE ONLY SOLUTION. Yet if the activity of sorting ALL memories to leave only the shareable, is efficient, THEN YOU FEEL SO MUCH TINGLE IN YOUR GENES THAT THEY LITERALLY NEVER DIE.

If the DNA implosion was CAUSED BY GOLD POWDER instead of A HEART OF GOLD...

THEN the genes merely join themselves into this long vampire chain called BORG .. the lo end of DRACO (who eat human glands for the thrill juice they can't make).

AND THIS IS WHAT SET THE STAGE FOR THE ANNUNAKI/dragon heroes of Gardner to 'breed Earth's royal families like we do show dogs'. For them for whom it is a privelege to be assimilated, genepools are like 'natural resources', if you planted the forest, you ought to be allowed to cut it down.

And yet you could use a bit of the seed of the pure principle of what Gold IS, to wrap your heart around the proper feeling symmetry. A good clue for this state is if you can reap the healing from your homeopathic remedy by simply holding and feeling the bottle.

To EAT THE PURE PRINCIPLE of Alchemy here, is to FEEL THE GOLD as the language of SHAPE which GUIDES ALL WAVES TO CENTER IN PERFECT SHARING. This was the Heart of the Matter. The philosopher's stone could only radiate the actual seed of perfect electrical implosion (thru the thin film mercury whose atomic weight was right, only it's valence needed to embed), literally only in the presence of the pure electrical INTENTION field of the HEART!

The EYE OF THE SUN (ulinvitation.com/eyeofthesun ) is opening SO CLOSELY to us right now, demanding we enter or die. This brings the EYE of the storm near to land tonight, Galvanizing us to make a centering force in a widening gyre.

The time could not be riper to reshape ourselves into what is nestable, in DNA, Heart, and EarthGrid.

The principle was a HEART of Gold.. Gold Powder is a throwback to a fractionated form without that.


9/24/99 Please see Part2 of this Article: GOLD Powder2:Inert Superconductors vs Self Aware Steerage from Heart

For the psychological excercises which make Gold Powder eating productive ..

imagine spitting up mucous AND undigested pain as tingle rushes your kundalini spine, imagine ozone enema, live food, sitting still in your pain until it is all in focus, imagine a life of absolute directness and purpose and no trivia.. lightning is serious business..

NOURISHED BY SPIN & THE TWINKLING EYES LIFETYLE ; soulinvitation.com/nourishedbyspin/nourishd2.html

GOLD/MANNA/ORMES & THE HAZARDS OF IMPLOSION: soulinvitation.com/implosionhazards/implosion.html


This article forms part 2 of www.soulinvitation.com/goldpowder , as reprinted kindly in David Icke's E-ZINE: www.davidicke.com/icke/ma...inter.html

Thanks to David for further stimulating this dialog with his new article on his site( www.davidicke.com/ ): MONO-ATOMIC GOLD: A SECRET OF SHAPESHIFTING AND THE REPTILIAN CONTROL?- ,

excerpt: "Without going into all the scientific detail, when you consume this
mono-atomic gold by mouth or injection, it increases the current
carrying capacity of the nervous system by ten thousand *times.*"(end quote)

David goes on to speculate in general terms that this increased electrical capacity of the nervous system, is directly responsible for the obvious psychokinetic powers ... shapeshifting etc., of the reptilian (& often) extra-terrestrial bloodlines. And then David says: "If anyone has further information on this subject, please contact me thru this website".

I believe that this is one of those rare conversations that actually gets quickly to PURE PRINCIPLE which feeds the soul and the lucid dream. (Very much as opposed to arguing about which government permitted the grey's/reptoids/dracs to abduct humans... the story is tired- been going on since the dawn of Earth...[-Enlil- ] let's get to the self empowerment here..).

So I am going to toss another 2 cents in about what is BEHIND the phenomenon of GOLD and it's powder.

I would like to tell you a story. Seems like 10-15 years ago I spoke at the first international conference on Non-Linear Energy Source Technologies (George Hathaway - Ken MacNeill sponsors in Atlanta, I think the proceedings still exist..). The subject of my talk was that "FREE Energy Device Technologies ARE NOT IN FACT FREE."

My essential point was that

All non-linear or "free" or "scalar" or "zero-point" energy devices create AN EMOTIONALLY PERCEPTIBLE and GRAVITY DISTORTING field effect WHICH EXACT A PRICE ON THE FIELD OF EARTH.

In the years since in addition to speaking at dozens of such conferences I was the tech-troubleshooter at a generator/motor business in Buffalo for 15 years, and having worked personally with DOZENS of non-linear device inventors (Adam Trombley, George Hathaway, Tom Valone, Bruce DePalma, Tim Wilhelm, Bill Ramsey..)... I drew some further generalized conclusions.

1. That the absolute KEY operating principle to EVERY such device was a magnetic flux geometry based specifically on RECURSION PERFECTED in the GOLDEN RATIO..(whether at the coil design level, or the capacitance array geometric, -take Montauk's array ECA-delta- , or at the atomic level as in gold.. which is where this article is headed) (Even Trevor Constable's most effective rainmaking orgone capacitor conic was based on 60 degree dodec implosion).

2. That the result of this field GEOMETRY of PHI creates flux lines which go thru the speed of light BASED UPON THE RECURSIVE HETERODYNING or beating which PHI (Golden Ratio) permits.

EXTENSIVE conversation about the physics principles of this with many graphics at www.soulinvitation.com/predictions . Predictions for a new physics of Gravity BASED ON RECURSION.

3. That this orderly transfer of flux into the superluminal (faster than lightspeed) is what specifically CREATES GRAVITY, and connects the gravity field to magnetic devices for an energy source -NOT ALTOGETHER "FREE".

(Elsewhere we discuss how this same geometric in DNA creates en-soulment, time travel ability in DNA, and ability to lucid dream : www.soulinvitation.com/superDNA ).

4. That the aggregate assemblage of this charge fractal around the planet we have been ignorantly calling gravity, takes millennia of work in synchrony between mineral veins crystallizing into embedding (gold mines only occur at fractal embeddable megnetic/ ley line crosses etc.), planetary alignments into self aware spin embedding (astrology's physics), AND advanced conscious beings feeding that fractal with glandular EMOTION! ( www.soulinvitation.com/emotion , www.soulinvitation.com/embedability , www.soulinvitation.com/hrv -heart rate variability in PHI?).

5. So that bleeding this source of charge for humans building gizmos like Atlantis Fire Crystals, who think it is free, is exactly that: BLEEDING.


So what has this conversation to do with the Gold Powder / Alien issue?

Well ironically the speaker after me at that conference spoke on SuperConductivity in Gold Filaments. Essentially he said that if you get gold filaments hair thin enough (mono--?), and dump HIGH amperage thru them just at the moment of their crystallization (force a recursive bond geometric?).... then ..

they will remain MEASURABLY RADICALLY CLOSER TO SUPERCONDUCTIVE. (Able to conduct huge current flow with no heat, not a bad idea for nervous systems either I suspect. note bene you kundalini afficionado's)

In later years, there have been many parallel studies, in fact showing that the superconductivity of a gold filament CAN BE WELDED TO THE END OF A STRAND OF DNA, and TOGETHER they will both approach superconductivity! (I will dig for that reference for you). Plus the extensive personal correspondence with William Pensinger, Sante Fe, who was measuring the faster than light signal propagation in DNA.

Let switch scenes here now, and move to the vignette of the dialog with Guy Obolensky measuring faster than light signal propagation in the wave guides around his programmable scope. He's the same guy who sold me the polygraph used to write Secret Life of Plants. THERE NEVER WAS ANYTHING TO PREVENT A WAVE GOING FASTER THAN THE MATTER which carried it (which is only light going in circles). Except: a geometry to allow the wave fronts like billiard balls to gain escape velocity, by stepping their wave front VELOCITIES recursively adding speed...WHICH HAPPENS TO BE EXACTLY WHAT GOLDEN RATIO IS!

So now, let us get BACK TO THE GOLD. The superluminal tunneling in gold and DNA are both clearly due to the golden ratio layout geometrically. In DNA this is the golden ratio in every aspect of braiding and deca array.(superDNA link above). In gold, this has to do with the completion of the 5/7 pair , 10/14 electron valence being phi based dodec/icos in symmetry (see www.soulinvitation.com/co...omics.html ). My friend, Jim Sawyer in Buffalo did a presentation on the geometry of superconductivity specifically on the notion that molecular cages jitterbug from from cubeocta to icosa, to permit implosive tunneling thru center. The icosa is PHI based valence. (jitterbug aka Bucky see www.soulinvitation.com/he...ofSun.html ). Also note how water when in dodec "clathrate cage' becomes the buckyball container for also phi based mono atomic hydrogen in "MicroHydrin" (see Predictions link above).

This is all just a tiny precis to suggest to you the PRINCIPLE of getting waves nested into the discipline of perfect embedding or branching, which gold is represents.

So in order to become sustainable/distributable as a wave (immortal) you are now presented with a simple choice: you may

1. Eat your geometry of perfect nesting (Gold Powder) to spin your DNA

or: you may

2. Make it Yourself, by learning to hold a field in your EKG, (www.soulinvitation.com/embedability ) which will then spin up your dna by braiding.

Clearly, the Annunaki descendants of (reptilian DNA crossed Hiburu) An/Enlil/Jehovah who cloned our ancestors to mine gold powder made CHOICE NUMBER 1.

So let us consider what is behind that mysterious door number 1.

Their DNA did maintain it's ability to avoid wave decay. (Ask Gilgamesh's anger at Enkidu for not sharing immortality..). And now, they can squirt up genetic based magnetic fields of flux density sufficient to shape shift. (Oh you Klingon bird of prey).

So what's the down side, shall we not follow them into hell?

We have DNA steered by heart as a superluminal wormhole, and we have GOLD filaments. In both cases recursion made a worm into time. (ode to David Peat international conference in Canada on the 'connection' between aboriginal song lines, and wormhole string theory in modern physics..)

The question becomes, which worm turns. Rather, which worm is SELF steering? Classically the borg side of the reptoids is hive mind, not individuated.


(Muab Dib: Condemned to prescience.. or the Flight of the Navigator: only the rememberer of past lives can steer the Enterprise thru time corridors.. Captain Cook.. .. if Darth Vader could remember Anikin.. what WAS that 'chloridian' gold in blood?...was it 'natural' that is SELF generated??)

If you can get inside that wave that is gold by focusing on it's PRINCIPLE ("Occult Chemistry"), then you can become (embed) it. (Kind of like the difference between homeopathy -royal blood - versus allopathy). If you take the 'outside in' addictive approach by only eating it just like another disempowering AMA poison pellet... then on the other hand...

See: role of the 'addictive personality' in creating the mucous which is the only home for the Reptilian's designer killer virus ... Their plan to sort our DNA for the Self-Steerable. Mucous and how the walls of the heart determine whether the heart field can be lensed for thrust at .. www.soulinvitation.com/america

Todays mail:Re: Supplements?,Fri, 24 Sep 1999
Hi, I really enjoy your site. I will be spending alot of time here in the
coming months. I was wondering what supplements or substance can be taken to get the
gold powder effect. I know you mentioned MicroHydrin, but I was
wondering if there were any others. Thanks Bob C.

Life force is nutrition. Life force is defined literally by how much EL (phase shift) is IN PHI - hency El eye phi=life. If the capacitance around the brocoli is embedable (log phi interval between power spectra, see embedability link), then we call it fresh. We unconsciously knew this was how much LIFE we were buying. (Until radioactive preservation and genetic engineering conspired to kill the food and us..) Now how much of the context of the ecosystem is embedded in the food chain, is how embdded we can be in our enviornment. Remember the indians telling you LOCAL honey was your immune food. Talk about harvest of nectar of the braid sweetness of the local embedable ley lines. (www.soulinvitation.com/honey ) . So how would you use this as a yard stick to see if your supplement was going to self empower. Did your homeopath ever say, look for a remedy that you will need to take for the rest of your life. No, the precise goal of eating the field effect, instead of the 'substance' is to get you farther from addiction.

Take this example, if you study the wave guide which tucked the monstrous primevil plat lycopodium into todays powder, you SEE why it is the homeopathic wave guide used for people with great destinies needing to unfold that out of humble bodies. Later, the radial display power spectra creates waveguides which allow the entire homeopathic repertory to be adminsitered VISUALLY (The Paper Doctor - A Vibrational Medicine Cabinet, DonGerrard@aol.com).

So if you aim for royal blood (in the sense of san graal embedable), then which supplement would you choose? The further toward life force, and aware from un-gentle spin density mass, which YOU ARE ABLE TO ABSORB. Until such time as your food is pure order itself.

See the supplement as a wave guide to retrain the geometry of incomplete symmetry IN HOW YOU HAVE BEEN GUIDING YOUR ATTENTION. Actively describe each 'pill' you embibe with the instruction: "teach me to steer the waves of my awareness into this more stable slip knot, for myself". This is on the order of Thoth's digest of the Egyptian mystery school instructions for those who ate the gold powder, yet wished to avoid borg fractionation of the personality..

See www.soulinvitation.com/cr...tmass.html Is critical MASS a ritual?..

The highest leverage the human condition has upon magnetism and ecosystem is the heart cavity as wave guide. (Hat of Osiris in the Pericardium). The ability to intentionally shape the heart walls, the true heart of gold, is the key to ascending the human genome. The all-chemy (literally from the black hole ness... www.soulinvitation.com/alchemy ) of that is the difference between gold powder eating borgs, versus species still giving birth to new compassion in the heart.

Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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    #3001435 - 08/13/04 05:15 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

Argh... don't get me started on Dan Winter... I can't make heads or tails of what he's trying to say half the time. Sometimes I think he's just putting out disinfo.

But David Icke... I think there's some truth to what he's saying, but that's only because I've done a lot of research and reading up on history. My own research has lead me to believe in hyperdimensionality, alien visitors, and great civilizations preceding 'ancient' Sumeria. The only real way to find the answers you want is to learn on your own.

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    #3001931 - 08/13/04 07:53 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

its interesting too that many ancient civilizations speak of these reptilians...the egyptions ...teh sumerians ...teh dogon ...ect. ect.

some very interesting information on teh dogon tribe... this tribe told french scientists back in the 30s-40s of stars we are just able to varify in 1995 with all our technology...not only did they talk of these stars. but they knew much about their elliptical orbits, and well as what kind of stars. (white dwarf)and much more that we still cannot verify. they claim they recived this knowledge from this amphibious alien race. they have 700 year old statues depicting all of this as well...
the book "A Sirius Mystery" goes into great detail about all of this.



also...the emma ya they talk of in the second link that had not been found when the site was written...has since been proven to exist.

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    #3002360 - 08/13/04 10:56 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

Total laughter at your Winters comment Max! I can relate! I have my own feel for where he his going with his stuff, yet have trouble comprehending the embedibility stuff he talks about in other articles. I think he is on to stuff and near the ball park, it's just that it's really far out and he can't bring it down into tanglible form. It's all good food for thought and really stretches the mind in new directions.

I thought about posting this because someone mentioned the mining for gold stuff and I like Winters idea on what it was really all about. It does make sense! You can find that Ormes stuff (white gold powder) on the net for sale. A friend of mine is taking it as a short cut to invincibility and immortality like the ancient egyptians used it for. I argue with him, where are they now if this stuff works that great?

I think Winters nailed this one and the problems with it. Ironic that the friend taking the ormes is the one that hooked me up to Winters work.

Winters is fun to keep an eye on because he really goes places with his explorations.

Icke paints a picture of bad evil aliens and I don't dig that. How does it serve us to hear his non sense about their control over the illuminati yada yada. A friends wife is reading a book of his and she is now beleiving the annunaki are a group of aliens inciting wild sex orgies in the white house.

Sooner or later, we have to grow up, become accountable for our own actions and stop blaming the evil aliens for everything. The blame game is getting really old.

I realise Winters is sort of pointing fingers at them in the same light about the gold, probably because icke got him all worked up.

If people want to ingest gold to compensate for feeling emotion then, let them. It's just nice to have the insight into all of this. I think a lot more is going to be coming out about this gold crap and the slavery blah blah up the road.

Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: Icke's Reptiles [Re: djeda]
    #3003216 - 08/14/04 03:05 AM (13 years, 12 days ago)

David Icke is the son of God.

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    #3003418 - 08/14/04 04:34 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

Not to insult you but I wouldn't pay any attention to him. Icke was once a very popular tv personality who had a very public psychotic breakdown and proceeded to spew all this stuff out.

Basicly a grade A nutcase.

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Re: Icke's Reptiles [Re: Lazerouth]
    #3004152 - 08/14/04 01:18 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

So did his breakdown come from his revelations or did his revelations come from his breakdown? Don't be so quick to assume cause and effect. I might have a psychotic breakdown too if I was living an ordinary life in upper-middle class comfort and suddenly discovered that there were reptilian aliens living on our planet.

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