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Re: guns [Re: deafpanda]
    #2985672 - 08/10/04 01:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

My point is, if that number is true, then in a similar country to the US which doesn't allow its citizens to bear arms, surely the murder rate would be more than they currently are (as I said, typically less than 1% of 400,000)?

these "1%" countries are not "similar" to the united states when it comes to violent crime though. we have far more than they do, and therefore many more instances of armed self-defense.

i understand the angle from which you are attacking the statistic, but i don't think it's a very good one.

here's the problem i see with the stastic. there are only about 10 to 20 thousand homocides per year in the united states. to say that 400,000 homocides are prevented every year by citizens using guns in self defense would mean that something like 96% of attempted homocides each year are thwarted when the intended victim successfully defends his or herself with a firearm. i find that one hard to swallow.


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    #2985708 - 08/10/04 01:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, let me clarify myself further. If 400,000 lives are saved by guns, then if the US made guns illegal, the murder rate would be at least 400,000, or about 20 times what it is at the moment. This would give the US a murder rate of 0.8 per 1000 people. This would be higher than columbia, the highest murder rate in the world. I don't believe that the US has worse conditions than columbia when it comes to violent crimes.


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