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Offlinethe free thinker
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More experience cuts out bad trips?
    #2984598 - 08/10/04 04:00 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Something I have been noticing lately in my trips. When I first started tripping back when I was a novice about 3-4 years ago it was very very easy for me to go off into a thought loop or get trapped in negative thoughts, in other words the chances for a bad trip were much much higher.

Now, years and countless trips later... it seems as if this has changed. My perspective has been changed and, it seems like this is the most efficient perspective to be in when it comes to psychedelics, and getting the most ouf of them.

I had one horribly horribly bad trip on june 13th 2003 which I will never forget, but it seems like after that I have settled into my new "mind" and there is no way to have a bad trip... they are all just trips. Good or bad, it's all the same. It's just information. Am I making sense here?

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Re: More experience cuts out bad trips? [Re: the free thinker]
    #2984672 - 08/10/04 04:22 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Heheheheh did you dare say there is no way to have a bad trip?

Shall I voodoo you? Shall I go on?

:wink: Anyway I know what you're saying, but I would still say there is never a gaurantee that every trip is going to be perfect.

One's mind can take quite some time to tune in to the mushroom's vibe.

My first couple of REAL trips were pretty creepy man I felt so threatened by everything around me. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that I started taking drugs before I really knew who I was and what I was doing (do I know now? no but I've got a bit of direction, motivation and confidence now :wink:), so I was able to completely lose it, and always had trouble re-finding myself.

Perhaps I've left breadcrumb trails in my mindscape by this time.


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Re: More experience cuts out bad trips? [Re: the free thinker]
    #2984986 - 08/10/04 08:59 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I think it's definitely true what you're saying, that your mind is sort of getting used to the experience or rather more comfortable with it...but I think, as with all things, that statistics are a comfort we hold on to and anything can go anyway anytime. I was reading an interview with the Dead and one of them said "chance favors a prepared mind." That says it right there. Anything can happen, but chance favors a prepared mind.


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Re: More experience cuts out bad trips? [Re: the free thinker]
    #2989625 - 08/11/04 04:36 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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the free thinker said:
Something I have been noticing lately in my trips. When I first started tripping back when I was a novice about 3-4 years ago it was very very easy for me to go off into a thought loop or get trapped in negative thoughts, in other words the chances for a bad trip were much much higher.

Now, years and countless trips later... it seems as if this has changed. My perspective has been changed and, it seems like this is the most efficient perspective to be in when it comes to psychedelics, and getting the most ouf of them.

I had one horribly horribly bad trip on june 13th 2003 which I will never forget, but it seems like after that I have settled into my new "mind" and there is no way to have a bad trip... they are all just trips. Good or bad, it's all the same. It's just information. Am I making sense here?

Tell me if I'm crazy




You make perfect since. Really. Experience, its all a process. The first couple incidents are when you are training your brain to operate itself. After that you understand what you need to do.


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Re: More experience cuts out bad trips? [Re: psikooz]
    #2991024 - 08/11/04 02:10 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Well.... I think I understood "what I needed to do" after my first time ever tripping, but yes you guys are right. Like Strumpling said it just took a while to become "tuned in on the vibe of the shrooms"

The only psychedelics I feel that I have really "tuned in to" and know them like the back of my hand are mushrooms, HBWR and DPT. Hopefully one day I can say the same thing about LSD... but I can only hope.


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Re: More experience cuts out bad trips? [Re: the free thinker]
    #2991299 - 08/11/04 03:33 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Chance favors the prepared mind -- that's not the dead, they may have said it but they ripped it off of Pasteur. Shame on those elevator music bastards. jking lol


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Re: More experience cuts out bad trips? [Re: the free thinker]
    #2991346 - 08/11/04 03:48 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

One of the worst trips I ever had (there were two), no lie, was just after telling my buddy "I don't think I could have a bad trip." I'd tripped several hundred times by then, but I'd let my ego get the best of me, considered myself above such pedestrian matters as a bad trip. he he he. Sure whooped my ass. But in a way, it was just what I needed at that time with the people I was with. I suppose with more experience and preparation you are less prone to a bad trip, unless you really need it!


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Re: More experience cuts out bad trips? [Re: cosmicray]
    #2994343 - 08/12/04 03:29 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

yeah if you start thinking you're in complete control over the mushroom, it will remind you that "SHROOM IS IN CHARGE, PUNKASS!! take THIS! and take THAT! muahahhaaaa you like THAT?!"

no stop aaahhh no no that sucks argh what's going on where am i holy shit is my friend dead oh no is that guy trying to kill me oh fuck am I totally fucked for life here?!

Mushroom, an hour later: "HAHAHAAA!! Gotchya! And you thought you had me pimped. Hey I'll be cool as long as you realize that I can be NOT cool, too."


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Re: More experience cuts out bad trips? [Re: Strumpling]
    #2994861 - 08/12/04 10:43 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I like that... work with the shroom. Hey, that's cool!
Sorry, I've been a bit distracted lately. What was the question again?
Oh yeah... I reckon the more you do, the more you are comfortable with it, whether it's good or bad. I had a quite stormy one the other week, but it was still good. You got to go with it.


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Re: More experience cuts out bad trips? [Re: Loosifa]
    #2998161 - 08/13/04 01:00 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Everytime I have taken shrooms expecting a good trip, I had a good trip. Everytime I have taken shrooms worried about a bad trip, at least for a bit I bad tripped.


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Re: More experience cuts out bad trips? [Re: the free thinker]
    #2999110 - 08/13/04 05:10 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

the past couple years, I've only had small portions of trips turn "bad."

Seems like just a reminder, heh


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Re: More experience cuts out bad trips? [Re: the free thinker]
    #3011794 - 08/17/04 03:16 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

you are making complete sense.
good/bad, its all an experience.


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Re: More experience cuts out bad trips? [Re: 40oz]
    #5201568 - 01/20/06 05:35 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

i feel as tho you can be set off in to a bad trip by two ways... internally meaning evil, bad thoughts that wont diminish. this is the one that experience helps to control. but the other is external factors that can send you to hell quickly, like your parents finding out or you hurting yourself accidentally whilke tripping


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I am not sure [Re: the free thinker]
    #5202657 - 01/20/06 02:44 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

I`ve had quite some trips.
Especially the first one was awesome in many ways.
The ones that followed were good as well. Until I decided to trip while feeling bad because of certain incidents.
Following was what I would call a bad trip though it was good and useful and awesome as well.
But it made me fear.
It wasn`t the mushrooms or the places fault. It was my mind.
The experience did not help much.


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Re: I am not sure [Re: scumpi]
    #5203272 - 01/20/06 05:19 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

The more I trip the more damage I do to my ego, I guess. Mushrooms just happily assist in gradual dismantling it, piece by piece. "Higher Mind Liberated" + shrooms is a tough gang to beat, and ego has to adapt, it's got no other choice actually and it does it grudgingly. Ego is a former President bethroned, it still keeps the representative functions (in routine daily life) but real decisions are taken by the Prime Minister Mind and the Psychedelic Parliament members. It still clearly remembers the times of its absolute rule and that makes its existence even more bitter so.

Yet at times, when it's abused too hard, with its back to the wall it bares its teeth and starts a big family scandal - that's when I get my bad trips I guess. Afterwards, my ego coils back, accepts new limitations and learns how to live under new laws and bills introduced .
So, the eventual "good" trips are kind of "power to the people" orgies with the ego watching it lonely from out of the corner afraid of another hard slap to the face and making a good act out of a bad play. Good trips are a truce between trancedental nature of mind and smaller "me", so to say.
This association could explain changes in daily life that many trippers I know undergo: a shattered ego becomes more humble and uncertain of itself 'cause it knows deep inside it's not that powerful and almighty that it used to be, and it has to play by the new rules even when it's seemingly in control.

So, the more it's schooled the more flexible and reasonable it becomes, and the less it chooses to interfere when higher forces are at play - that's why less "scandals", I guess.

And I'm not nuts at all as you might think after reading these lines - I think it's as good a theory as any other might be. :discodance:

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Re: More experience cuts out bad trips? [Re: the free thinker]
    #5204225 - 01/20/06 10:19 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

yea i know exactly what you mean , good trips bad trips , it dont matter to me. i usally have a good and a bad trip each time i eat shrooms.


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