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San Pedro - slow growth?
    #2976677 - 08/07/04 11:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

(Sorry if this has been asked before but I did a search and came up with nothing) I've read that if you start San Pedro from a seed it grows very very slow but if you start from a cutting of the cactus (sort of like a clone of an MJ plant?) it grows much faster. About how long are we looking at for a San Pedro to grow if from seeds?


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Re: San Pedro - slow growth? [Re: theocean06]
    #2977993 - 08/08/04 12:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You heard right. SP is very slow from seed, figure a few years to get any size. From a cutting you can start growing right away. After it has calloused over and rooted, it will grow pretty fast. Even with a cutting you are talking about a few inches per year. It's a long term project, not quick like an annual plant.

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Re: San Pedro - slow growth? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #2979290 - 08/08/04 10:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

it depends on your hurry...
i'd rather (as i'm NOT in any hurry) plant 1000 pedro seeds for the price of a cutting...


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Re: San Pedro - slow growth? [Re: felixhigh]
    #2979334 - 08/08/04 10:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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felixhigh said:
it depends on your hurry...
i'd rather (as i'm NOT in any hurry) plant 1000 pedro seeds for the price of a cutting...


FH




No I'm not really in any sort of hurry...but I would have to grow these inside my house considering the fact that my climate would never support a cactus.  I was thinking of planting like 10 cactuses, can you pick up San Pedro seeds at a plant nursery/store?  or is this the type of plant you’ll have to order on-line?

Stonehenge, if starting from seeds, how long are we talking about here...3...4 years at best/worst :confused:?


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Re: San Pedro - slow growth? [Re: theocean06]
    #2979416 - 08/08/04 11:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

No, odds are, you'll almost never find them in a nursery....

5-6+ years

but "how long will it take?" is really a bad question. Cactus dont just finish like MJ or anything....


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Re: San Pedro - slow growth? [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #2979605 - 08/09/04 12:19 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Really 5 or 6 years? wow I mean I'm not in a hurry but that is a long time...I'm going to have to give this some extra thought.


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Re: San Pedro - slow growth? [Re: theocean06]
    #2979624 - 08/09/04 12:25 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You *can* harvest long before that. You have to find a balance between yield and patience :smile:


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Re: San Pedro - slow growth? [Re: theocean06]
    #2979811 - 08/09/04 01:24 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

If you have no interest in the cactus I don't know what the drug can offer you. Just order a cutting and stew it.


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Re: San Pedro - slow growth? [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #2979839 - 08/09/04 01:34 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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No, odds are, you'll almost never find them in a nursery....





www.mesagarden.com

also, if you wanna have a san pedro experience it is way better (and cheaper and quicker) to buy it dried than to start it from seeds, it seems this is the point...
you might wanna consider peruvian torch also.
but as for growing...
get both, seeds and cuttings what the hell. =D


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Re: San Pedro - slow growth? [Re: faslimy]
    #2979876 - 08/09/04 01:48 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I am interested in the cactus but remember...I'm only 18 and I have to deal with college and jobs etc. etc. and I don't know what situation I'll be in 4 years down the road. Please don't act as if I'm only growing this cactus to get fucked up, I love growing things. When I was younger I would love to help my grandmother out in her garden (although I didn't know a whole lot about plants, I liked working in the garden) and genuinely like growing plants. I think of it as a hobby.


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Re: San Pedro - slow growth? [Re: theocean06]
    #2981357 - 08/09/04 01:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

most people here if not everyone has jobs and study or perhaps even teaching going on on their lives...
the cacti realm is a very fascinating one... good plants for the businessman that can't take care of the more fragile plants...
you might find yourself soon collecting random species just for the looks like myself and many others here!
regarding sacred cacti, i don't see anything wrong on trying it before growing (as long as it's not peyote from the wild), it is a religious/ecstatic experience it's not something to get one 'fucked up' and no one here thinks you just want to 'get fucked up' (i don't), this is the garden, not the ODD. :wink:
coming back to the hobby thing, cactus growing is something i've been doing for a few years and it's great to graft plants and watch them grow from seed... there was a time i was spending a little more money than i could in merely ornamental cactaceae! =D


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Re: San Pedro - slow growth? [Re: felixhigh]
    #2981426 - 08/09/04 01:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

one more thing, does peyote produce a stronger drug then San Pedro? is that why peyote is illegal to grow and san pedro isn't?


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Re: San Pedro - slow growth? [Re: theocean06]
    #2981478 - 08/09/04 02:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

hmmmm...
the prohibition of peyote (as most if not all sacramental plant use through all america from up to down) is linked to the catholicism that would preach it was all things of the devil.
it happened even to yerba mate in south america, a mere stimulant plant, innofensive, but long ago.
many plants are illegal even where they're native because they're narcotics and are abused (kratom in thailand, coca in south america for example), then we come to the drug wars...

answering to your first question, it isn't that peyote produces a stronger drug than other sacred cacti, it is that such substances (plants don't produce one exculive substance, there's a whole phytochemical makeup for each plant) are found in greater concentrations in peyote than in other sacred cacti. the drawback is the slow growing of peyote, specially if you find pedros grow slow!
this link should give some info to your eyes:
www.erowid.org


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Re: San Pedro - slow growth? [Re: theocean06]
    #2982249 - 08/09/04 05:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Peyote contains more mesc per weight, and a few alkaloids that are unique to it (they are also unstable, and shouldnt be prepared like pedro, just eaten raw)


As for the having a life outside your plants, cacti are very very hardy plants, and probably one of your better choices if you dont really have the time to take care of them... underwatering is hardly a problem... its easier to overwater actually..


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Re: San Pedro - slow growth? [Re: theocean06]
    #2982309 - 08/09/04 05:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

With artificial illumination in the winter (fluorescents) and a relatively light spot in the summer Trichocereus pachanoi/peruvianus can easily grow to 8 cm from seed in one year. The first months the plants grow very slowly but once they are 1 cm you can notice growth almost daily.


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Re: San Pedro - slow growth? [Re: Una]
    #2982343 - 08/09/04 05:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

so you make a year round growing season to your seedlings Una?
that sounds cool...
what about the seedlings temperature in winter? 20-25C? how much lighting per square meter/feet?


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Re: San Pedro - slow growth? [Re: felixhigh]
    #2982399 - 08/09/04 05:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I made a quick calculation and come to around 100 Watt per square meter. Normal 18 or 36 Watt cool white tubes. Temperature is around 20-25C The lights are left on 24 hours a day for super fast growth.


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Re: San Pedro - slow growth? [Re: felixhigh]
    #2982400 - 08/09/04 05:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I have seedlings at ~40W (normal flouro light bulbs) per square foot at the moment (17/7 IIRC), and they seem to be doing well, but the younger ones do require some shade.
Temp is around 30*C in their box.


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Re: San Pedro - slow growth? [Re: Una]
    #2982719 - 08/09/04 06:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

So keep them outside in the sun during the summer, but come winter time keep them under a 36 Watt cool white tube fluorescent lights all day (when should I stop the 24 hour lighting, or should it go all winter?). Also, what temperature does a cactus like when putting it outside (I know about the 20-25C inside but in the temperature range different when growing outside).


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Re: San Pedro - slow growth? [Re: Una]
    #2982864 - 08/09/04 07:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

:laugh:

I was hoping those would be alright, as......... UM ...other plants need bigger lights and certain light cycles :wink:

And Swim has to do both,really he does. :smile:

(so its nice to know he could easily afford a little box of cacti Mojo :smirk: )


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