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KingOftheThing
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re-elect george w. bush??
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/sarcasm i love republicans, they come up with logical explantions why we should vote bush.
"I think President Bush has done an excellent job," said Linda Roberts, a conservative Republican from Liberal, Kan. "He's a Christian. I don't believe there's any reason to kill babies by abortion. I don't believe in gay marriage. I believe he is for equal rights, but also for God's rights." http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=st...94&ncid=716
wow conservative republicans really have it together.....what awesome reasons to vote GWB!! georgie boy says he believes in god and hates gay people !! whoohoooo bush in 2004  
jesus loves GWB and so do i 
/end sarcasm if could cast 1,000,000 votes for kerry i would....people like Linda Roberts scare me
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KingOftheThing
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p.s. does god really need bush to grant him rights?? i mean he is god...so dont you think he could take care of business on his own?? hell if god is so freaked out by gay marriage then why doesnt he just come down here and tell us??? cmon god shoot lightning bolts at gay people, send locusts to san francisco, shit, do something...we need a sign !!! can i get an amen?
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deafpanda
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Isn't burning in hell for eternity enough punishment for those gays?
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Amen.
It's about time God got some rights.
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KingOftheThing
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Re: re-elect george w. bush?? [Re: deafpanda]
#2974954 - 08/07/04 08:57 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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you'd think so
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I don't believe in gay marriage. I believe he is for equal rights
I wouldn't take too seriously anyone who says one thing and then contradicts it in their next sentence.
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Im a christian and GW could frankly suck my ass.
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Are you a homo? Letting another man suck your ass strikes me as a homosexual act (if your a man that is).
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People have a right to vote for the candidate that supports their views. You need to stop being so fucking bigoted and assinine towards people you disagree with. You are as intolerant as you accuse Bush of being, and if you equate one Christian woman to all Republicans you are also a complete moron.
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KingOftheThing
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Re: re-elect george w. bush?? [Re: Divided_Sky]
#2976013 - 08/07/04 04:37 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Divided_Sky said: People have a right to vote for the candidate that supports their views. You need to stop being so fucking bigoted and assinine towards people you disagree with. You are as intolerant as you accuse Bush of being, and if you equate one Christian woman to all Republicans you are also a complete moron.
did you just call me a moron?? i believe that violates forum rules i think its funny how all you right wingers cry that im so intolerant and bigoted but then u jump down the throat of anyone who posts something remotely left wing. what i believe that woman represents is a large, and ignorant portion of a party I feel is full of uncaring, selfish individuals.taking a stance on an issue because that's what u think jesus wants is "assinine". i ally myself with people who can back up their views with some logic (not to say that logic is not debatable).
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Ancalagon
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i ally myself with people who can back up their views with some logic (not to say that logic is not debatable).
Oh that is truly hilarious. Liberals have nothing but contempt for logic. One example that can be gleaned from your post: You call right-wingers, I'll take that as conservatives, selfish. I'll assume, and correct me if I'm wrong, that you find the true conservative positions of the end of welfare, medicare, and social-security selfish. Liberals somehow feel that FORCING people to do with THEIR money what the liberal collective deem 'good' is somehow altruistic. There is nothing compassionate or magnanimous about having someone give to the government(who then give part of that to the 'less fortunate') at the barrel of a gun. Liberal logic...an oxy-moron if ever there was one.
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Re: re-elect george w. bush?? [Re: Ancalagon]
#2976119 - 08/07/04 05:19 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh, come on. Don't condemn someone for a generalization and then reply with one of your own.
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Ancalagon
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Re: re-elect george w. bush?? [Re: deafpanda]
#2976124 - 08/07/04 05:21 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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deafpanda said: Oh, come on. Don't condemn someone for a generalization and then reply with one of your own.
First of all, I didn't condemn anyone for a generalization...feel free to show me where I did. Second of all, find me one liberal in a thousand who is against the government initiating force against peaceful people to fund what they feel is the common good. I dare you.
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Re: re-elect george w. bush?? [Re: Ancalagon]
#2976148 - 08/07/04 05:27 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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But you are assuming that logic is on your side, which is the issue at stake. You cannot just call everyone else wrong and say that whoever disagrees with you is illogical. That's not a good style of argument.
Both sides agree that logic is true. It is human application of it that is debatable.
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Re: re-elect george w. bush?? [Re: deafpanda]
#2976159 - 08/07/04 05:30 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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My opinion is left leaning politics are based on emotion, and right leaning are based on logic. Of course 100% of either would be disastrous, and most people use a combination of the two.
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deafpanda
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Re: re-elect george w. bush?? [Re: DieCommie]
#2976169 - 08/07/04 05:34 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think that they are just based on differing premises, the coherent sections of either side try to only use logic.
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KingOftheThing
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Re: re-elect george w. bush?? [Re: DieCommie]
#2976171 - 08/07/04 05:35 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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DieCommie said: My opinion is left leaning politics are based on emotion, and right leaning are based on logic. Of course 100% of either would be disastrous, and most people use a combination of the two.
my stance is left on social issues, and middle of the road on economic ones..however im anti gun control unlike some libbies
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Ancalagon
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Re: re-elect george w. bush?? [Re: deafpanda]
#2976180 - 08/07/04 05:38 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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But you are assuming that logic is on your side, which is the issue at stake. You cannot just call everyone else wrong and say that whoever disagrees with you is illogical. That's not a good style of argument.
I agree 100% and it's a good thing I've never resorted to that style of argument. Logic is objective. To say that it is selfish to be against welfare because you don't want to help out your fellow man, yet it is unselfish to FORCE a man to help another at the barrel of a gun, is logically inconsistent, wouldn't you say?
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Re: re-elect george w. bush?? [Re: Ancalagon]
#2976224 - 08/07/04 05:49 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't think it's selfish to be against welfare. I am left-wing, but that doesn't mean I agree with other left-wingers. I am left-leaning only because I am certainly not right-leaning. Most politicians and political commentators talk shit, whatever their allegiance.
Dividing policies into left and right-wing does not accurately reflect the diverse set of positions.
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Re: re-elect george w. bush?? [Re: deafpanda]
#2976240 - 08/07/04 05:55 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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don't think it's selfish to be against welfare.
Impressive...but are YOU against welfare?
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Dividing policies into left and right-wing does not accurately reflect the diverse set of positions.
I could not agree more. I as a libertarian can be simply described as socially liberal and fiscally conservative. When talking about 'liberals' above I was referring to the common breed of liberal in America today...specifically Democrats.
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Re: re-elect george w. bush?? [Re: Ancalagon]
#2976275 - 08/07/04 06:06 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am for welfare for the disabled and elderly.
I am against welfare for those who can work. If they can't find jobs then I would like to see the government swapping food and accommodation for menial tasks. Whatever the arrangement, there are better ways than just giving out money.
As for taxes, I would like them to reflect the cost to the state of the individual. Ideally, people could opt-out of paying various taxes if they did not impose their own costs on society in those areas.
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Re: re-elect george w. bush?? [Re: deafpanda]
#2976303 - 08/07/04 06:20 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am for welfare for the disabled and elderly.
I am against welfare for those who can work. If they can't find jobs then I would like to see the government swapping food and accommodation for menial tasks. Whatever the arrangement, there are better ways than just giving out money.
Definitely a more respectable position than most.
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As for taxes, I would like them to reflect the cost to the state of the individual. Ideally, people could opt-out of paying various taxes if they did not impose their own costs on society in those areas.
The problems I see with that(and there may be more) are twofold:
1) I personally have no concern with this, but it has no basis in the reality of government run projects. The 'point' of public schools is supposed to be to provide cheap(or free) education to families who would otherwise not be able to afford private education. If people not using this service(and again this hypothetical has nothing to do with my personal beliefs) are allowed to opt out, the poor will have to foot the bill. Same deal with the handicapped and disability welfare you exclaimed support for above...that kind of completely defeats the purpose of 'welfare' for certain people if those people are the ones paying for the welfare. I could apply this to many other issues as well.
2) Why should government be running a multitude of voluntary services in the first place? How does the federal government acquire the authority to meddle in public schools, or grant farm subsidies, or give foreign aid. My point is, why should government set up organizations to do these things run on a pseudo-voluntary basis when history has shown us that, barring a few exceptions, anything government can do the private sector can do better?
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Re: re-elect george w. bush?? [Re: Ancalagon]
#2976344 - 08/07/04 06:36 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'd keep inheritance tax, and I would tax products according to their social/environmental costs, as accurately as possible. People who cause a certain amount of environmental damage are costing society as a whole, and should be taxed.
And as for the second point, that is why I would like to see taxes reflect people's cost to the world. I don't like the idea of forcing taxes on people, but if they are causing financial loss to the state, then they should be taxed.
It's not at all true that history has shown that whatever the public sector can do, the private sector can do better. It has been the case in America, but Europe, the UK especially, have had totally different results.
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Re: re-elect george w. bush?? [Re: DieCommie]
#2976537 - 08/07/04 08:04 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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All politics is logical in design, yet unfortunately it is all run with a lot of emotion
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Re: re-elect george w. bush?? [Re: deafpanda]
#2977702 - 08/08/04 08:07 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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deafpanda said: I am against welfare for those who can work. If they can't find jobs then I would like to see the government swapping food and accommodation for menial tasks. Whatever the arrangement, there are better ways than just giving out money.
In Japan they make people work to get benefits. That at least has the benefit of giving someone the pride and sense of accomplishment. It gives them a chance to do something and do it well, and not feel so much like a leech. We pay people to sit in air conditioned public housing, drink alcohol and watch cable tv.
You get free cable where I live if you are on welfare, because they don't want to deny the "educational" aspects of television. That is outrageous. Free internet access can't be far behind, because you can use the internet for "education".
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Re: re-elect george w. bush?? [Re: JesusChrist]
#2977797 - 08/08/04 09:37 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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the internet was originally intended to be free.
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Re: re-elect george w. bush?? [Re: Barbi]
#2978081 - 08/08/04 11:28 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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mndfreeze said: the internet was originally intended to be free.
Al Gore intended it to be free when he created it.
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Re: re-elect george w. bush?? [Re: JesusChrist]
#2978112 - 08/08/04 11:40 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm going to just ignore that useless comment and again say, the internet was originally intended to be free when he became a non military network.
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