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Re: Terence Mckenna another piece of shit agent. [Re: Droz]
    #2976529 - 08/07/04 08:02 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Hi Droz, in honor of your intelligent comment I put on a TM recording called Light of the Third Millenium (Chicago). I haven't listened to any McKenna in a while. Just thought I'd let ya know.

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Re: Terence Mckenna another piece of shit agent. [Re: zee_werp]
    #2976555 - 08/07/04 08:13 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not going to get drawn into this arguement because I don't know much about T.M., but what exactly about his work is so impressive or appealing to the majority of you folks? I recently read an article by a mathematician who had found a flaw in timewave zero, been in corespondence with McKenna, and eventually got his admission that the theory was probably wrong/miscalculated.

If even he admits his work to be untrue, what value do you see it having?

I'm genuinly curious why people appreciate it so much.

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Re: Terence Mckenna another piece of shit agent. [Re: ferago2]
    #2976572 - 08/07/04 08:25 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Its not his "science" that is so cool man its his philosophy and his open-to-everything mind.

Another thing he was very vocal about was the ways we pile up theories on top of one another - perhaps his timewave was a display of the lunacy of such modern science.. He knew we've got it all wrong.


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Re: Terence Mckenna another piece of shit agent. [Re: ferago2]
    #2976577 - 08/07/04 08:27 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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ferago2 said:I recently read an article by a mathematician who had found a flaw in timewave zero, been in corespondence with McKenna, and eventually got his admission that the theory was probably wrong/miscalculated.




Interesting. Is the article available on the net anywhere? I'd really like to read it.

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Re: Terence Mckenna another piece of shit agent. [Re: ekomstop]
    #2976596 - 08/07/04 08:37 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

http://serendipity.nofadz.com/ft/autopsy.html

A lot of mathematics which I don't have the background to follow completely unfortunately. This quote is what struck me the most out of it:

Terence and I had four lengthy, good natured, and most enjoyable discussions during the week I was in Palenque, and I was able to explain my critique step-by-step. By the final discussion he seemed to have fully grasped the nature of the problem, and had admitted that the theory appeared to have "no basis in rational thought". He claimed (and this struck me as sincere) that he was only interested in the truth, and that someone "disproving" the theory was just as a much of a relief to him as someone confirming its validity. He proposed that we collaborate on a piece provisionally entitled "Autopsy for a Mathematical Hallucination" in which we would carefully take the theory apart and see what had gone wrong. He claimed that I was the first person to approach him with a serious mathematical critique of his ideas, partly explaining why such an unjustifiable theory had not only survived for so long, but also attracted so much interest and attention.

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Re: Mckenna [Re: ferago2]
    #2977621 - 08/08/04 07:13 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

thanks for the reference ferago2. :smile:

this quote from Watkins' artcle seems worthwhile too:

?On a more positive note, I should add that I don't find McKenna's timewave exploit to be completely without value. Certain observations (such as the absence of 5's in the set {h(1),...,h(64)} and the correspondence of the Chinese 13-lunation ritual calendar with six 64-day cycles) are certainly worthy of further consideration. It wouldn't surprise me if a fractal map of temporal resonance was encoded into the King Wen sequence, just as it wouldn't surprise me if something quite remarkable does occur on December 21, 2012. The world can be a very strange place, and we all have much to learn. McKenna's hyper-imaginative speculation has fired the imagination of many. With this particular "theory" he has spread awareness of the I Ching and the Mayan calendar, both fascinating and poorly understood systems of ancient human thought. I should therefore end by suggesting that the remainder of his published thought should not be dismissed as a result of my findings which are discussed here.?

i am reminded, as one so often is, of the Hegelian dialectic: thesis + antithesis -> new thesis, usw.

i think Mckenna appreciated the dialectic, as your quote indicates ferago2. :thumbup:

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Re: Mckenna [Re: ]
    #2977791 - 08/08/04 09:36 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

i've never read anything by Mckenna, im sure i'll pick read one some day.
but..sure the mazatec new there shit. but they weren't the only ones. mabey people only go as far as they are suppose too..??

don't be so harsh


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Re: Terence Mckenna another piece of shit agent. [Re: Droz]
    #2977823 - 08/08/04 09:52 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

If we are all truly one, then agents are just a dark part of the mass consciousness that need love and acceptance in order to integrate and be transcended.


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Re: Terence Mckenna another piece of shit agent. [Re: Shroomism]
    #2978399 - 08/08/04 01:51 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Shroomism you can't change an agents of the system that easy they need lots of debugging.


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Re: Terence Mckenna another piece of shit agent. [Re: Droz]
    #2978977 - 08/08/04 05:49 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

love is apocalypse of hate.pain is from those who hate to those who love.those who love stop all from hating,it doesn't happen quickkly from the human perspective but its coming,so its not long.i die everytime i bring love to you.

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Re: Terence Mckenna another piece of shit agent. [Re: ferago2]
    #2979394 - 08/08/04 09:03 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

I recently read an article by a mathematician who had found a flaw in timewave zero, been in corespondence with McKenna, and eventually got his admission that the theory was probably wrong/miscalculated.




I've heard too that the original timewave zero version had a mathematical flaw, but a mathematician found a way to fix it and created the Revised Timewave Zero graph.

Well, let's see if something happens on 2007, as the graph indicates.


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Re: Terence Mckenna another piece of shit agent. [Re: Droz]
    #2991354 - 08/11/04 01:51 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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Droz said:
I've read the books, and i've experienced a little mckennaism, so don't call me an idiot. I beleive he was out looking for the secrets, but agents will always seem a little friendly just to find a little information.


terrance and his brother were both under investigation by the FBI and the CIA at one time at which time they both fled the country. these brothers had access to classified information and these intelligence agencies couldn't figure out how they knew some of the things that they were exposing in a public forum. they were considered threats to society for what they were revealing to the masses. same as jesus, or joan of arc, etc. i don't even know why i waste my time on this. you have the guy all twisted. terrance also secured funding for a botanical garden in the hawiian islands that is a preserve for many, many species of psycotropic plants. guess who the funding came from? the Rockefellers. sp. look them up! they are running shit. think knights templars, freemasons, secret societies with secret knowlege.


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Re: Terence Mckenna another piece of shit agent. [Re: fungusflip]
    #2992083 - 08/11/04 04:46 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Some claim the government somehow gave him (as well as many other social troublemakers) cancer.

I don't believe it, but I wouldn't be suprised if it were proven.


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Re: Terence Mckenna another piece of shit agent. [Re: Strumpling]
    #2992256 - 08/11/04 05:32 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

congradulations Droz, an analysis of a number of your posts has driven me to award you with a prize:

Least incomprehensible, most tripped-out mazatec lover on the board.

I enjoy your posts, but none of them have ever made any semblance of sense to me

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Re: Terence Mckenna another piece of shit agent. [Re: fungusflip]
    #2992597 - 08/11/04 06:34 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Uh huh. Terence fled the country because there was a warrant our for dealing hashish. Very Black Op...


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Re: Terence Mckenna another piece of shit agent. [Re: Droz]
    #2993485 - 08/11/04 10:16 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Mckenna was nothing more then a conspiracy theorist to me. The first two thirds of Food of the Gods was rubbish as was most of The Archaic Revival. He believed fungi came from outer space based on outdated evidence that no fungi was older then 40 millions years old - he was only 400 millions years off.


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Re: Terence Mckenna another piece of shit agent. [Re: ninjapixie]
    #2993850 - 08/11/04 11:18 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

"He believed fungi came from outer space based on outdated evidence that no fungi was older then 40 millions years old - he was only 400 millions years off. "

So he used the theories present at time, and synthesised a new theory? And if he learned about and accepted a newer, better theory, he would then modified his theory. So I believe based on countless hours of listening and reading his works.

He is a thinker, an open minded innovator and he blows my mind and my friends' minds.


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Re: Terence Mckenna another piece of shit agent. [Re: NariusFractal]
    #2994008 - 08/11/04 11:50 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

He had atleast six years to retract that theory before he died. Haven't heard or read him doing so. His ideas about mushrooms aiding human evolution was merely wishful thinking ignoring the more probable evidence (like most conspiracy theorists). I couldn't finish The Archaic revival cos it was such a load of rubbish. Only areas I agree with him is in drug reform. There are better more grounded drug activist/gurus out there.


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Re: Terence Mckenna another piece of shit agent. [Re: NariusFractal]
    #2994173 - 08/12/04 12:34 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

He always told people that if they can disprove his theories, to please do so and he would welcome their editions with opened arms.

The problem with that though had to do with his personality and his intellectual abilities. He could argue his way out of a fucking concentration camp


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Re: Terence Mckenna another piece of shit agent. [Re: Droz]
    #2994681 - 08/12/04 06:42 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Are you a racist?

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