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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: 40 minutes of down time. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2975466 - 08/07/04 01:30 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Please describe for us a rough outline of the form of any legislation you think would be appropriate to protect your particular job and why you might think this would benefit anyone beside yourself.




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InvisibleEvolving
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Re: 40 minutes of down time. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2975476 - 08/07/04 01:34 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
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Does this make Bush the right man for the job?



I'm sorry. Did I type that somewhere and forget I said it?



Did I quote you or did I pose rhetorical a question?


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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Re: 40 minutes of down time. [Re: Evolving]
    #2975506 - 08/07/04 01:43 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

No. Not a quote, just how I read it.

If you say it was a rhetorical question I'll take your word for it as I've never seen any evidence of dishonesty from you.

Sorry.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: 40 minutes of down time. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2975610 - 08/07/04 02:12 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Don't be sorry, I'm trying to get on your nerves, my goal is to be the new Alex123.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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Re: 40 minutes of down time. [Re: Evolving]
    #2975617 - 08/07/04 02:13 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

What happened to the old one and do we really need one at all?


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Re: 40 minutes of down time. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2975647 - 08/07/04 02:21 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

I've killed him and am feeding him to my pit bulls. Do we really need one at all? Hmmm, like an oncologist needs cancer, like a sewer needs waste, like The Road Runner needs The Coyote...


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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Re: 40 minutes of down time. [Re: Evolving]
    #2975670 - 08/07/04 02:29 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

You could never be like Alpo. You're not the type.

Be glad of that.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: 40 minutes of down time. [Re: Evolving]
    #2975687 - 08/07/04 02:33 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Those poor dogs. I'm dropping a dime to the ASPCA. It's a criminal act to feed them something with so much volume and no substance. Like feeding them a dry sponge and a gallon of water


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Re: 40 minutes of down time. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2975984 - 08/07/04 04:25 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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zappaisgod said:
Please describe for us a rough outline of the form of any legislation you think would be appropriate to protect your particular job and why you might think this would benefit anyone beside yourself.







my rough outline:

stop sending my jobs overseas to idiots who drive down consumer faith even further into the depths of hell while sending my fellow career brothers into debt and bankrupcy.

As for the second question:

Its not my job to give a rats ass about everyone else, They all hav their OWN vote to go cast based on how they want and percieve issues of importance to THEM.

A vote is jsut that, a single vote, from a single person, with his single opinion and outlook on the current situation making a choice to best reflect his needs.

I'm not voting for your needs buddy.

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Re: 40 minutes of down time. [Re: Barbi]
    #2975990 - 08/07/04 04:28 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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my rough outline:

stop sending my jobs overseas to idiots who drive down consumer faith even further into the depths of hell while sending my fellow career brothers into debt and bankrupcy.



How would a President Kerry go about doing this? I'll give you a hint: Whatever he will do is completely irrelevant to the actual problem.


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?When Alexander the Great visted the philosopher Diogenes and asked whether he could do anything for him, Diogenes is said to have replied: 'Yes, stand a little less between me and the sun.' It is what every citizen is entitled to ask of his government.?
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Re: 40 minutes of down time. [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2976006 - 08/07/04 04:34 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Its of no concern how its done, as long as its to my benefit. There obviously is a much larger scale problem here, but I'm concerned with what affects me, my family, my mortgage payment, my dog, etc NOW. Bush (in my eyes) hasnt really helped me much other then making the world hate us as a race, looking like a complete idiot almost every time he opens his mouth it seems, etc etc etc rehash bush crap here.

Oh, I did get a big nice tax refund check increase for my kids, which was neato keen.

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Re: 40 minutes of down time. [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2976021 - 08/07/04 04:39 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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Ancalagon said:

How would a President Kerry go about doing this? I'll give you a hint: Whatever he will do is completely irrelevant to the actual problem.




is that right?? did you look into your crystal ball before you made that prediction, or are there some facts to back it up?

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Re: 40 minutes of down time. [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2976117 - 08/07/04 05:19 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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KingOftheThing said:
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Ancalagon said:

How would a President Kerry go about doing this? I'll give you a hint: Whatever he will do is completely irrelevant to the actual problem.




is that right?? did you look into your crystal ball before you made that prediction, or are there some facts to back it up?



Nothing but history and logic. Two things liberals are not a fan of.

Edit: I'd just like to add that if John Kerry would actually elaborate on some of his promises, I'd have to rely on prescience a good deal less. Unfortunately the man is so afraid of alienating his very stable 'at least he's not Bush' base that detail won't be forthcoming anytime soon.


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?When Alexander the Great visted the philosopher Diogenes and asked whether he could do anything for him, Diogenes is said to have replied: 'Yes, stand a little less between me and the sun.' It is what every citizen is entitled to ask of his government.?
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Edited by Ancalagon (08/07/04 05:25 PM)

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Re: 40 minutes of down time. [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2976155 - 08/07/04 05:29 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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Ancalagon said:
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KingOftheThing said:
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Ancalagon said:

How would a President Kerry go about doing this? I'll give you a hint: Whatever he will do is completely irrelevant to the actual problem.




is that right?? did you look into your crystal ball before you made that prediction, or are there some facts to back it up?



Nothing but history and logic. Two things liberals are not a fan of.

Edit: I'd just like to add that if John Kerry would actually elaborate on some of his promises, I'd have to rely on prescience a good deal less. Unfortunately the man is so afraid of alienating his very stable 'at least he's not Bush' base that detail won't be forthcoming anytime soon.




ok so you were just guessing, i wanted to make that clear

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Re: 40 minutes of down time. [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2976167 - 08/07/04 05:33 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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ok so you were just guessing, i wanted to make that clear



It's crystal clear buddy...and I prefer the term 'hypothesising.' In other words, I made an educated guess. I base this guess mostly on history. Do you reject history as a means(if not a perfect means) of trying to predict future actions?


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?When Alexander the Great visted the philosopher Diogenes and asked whether he could do anything for him, Diogenes is said to have replied: 'Yes, stand a little less between me and the sun.' It is what every citizen is entitled to ask of his government.?
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Re: 40 minutes of down time. [Re: Barbi]
    #2976430 - 08/07/04 07:20 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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Its not my job to give a rats ass about everyone else, They all hav their OWN vote to go cast based on how they want and percieve issues of importance to THEM.



:thumbup:


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: 40 minutes of down time. [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2976441 - 08/07/04 07:22 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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Nothing but history and logic. Two things liberals are not a fan of.




You just summed up the left so accurately and eloquently.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: 40 minutes of down time. [Re: Barbi]
    #2976489 - 08/07/04 07:40 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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mndfreeze said:
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zappaisgod said:
Please describe for us a rough outline of the form of any legislation you think would be appropriate to protect your particular job and why you might think this would benefit anyone beside yourself.







my rough outline:

stop sending my jobs overseas to idiots who drive down consumer faith even further into the depths of hell while sending my fellow career brothers into debt and bankrupcy.

As for the second question:

Its not my job to give a rats ass about everyone else, They all hav their OWN vote to go cast based on how they want and percieve issues of importance to THEM.

A vote is jsut that, a single vote, from a single person, with his single opinion and outlook on the current situation making a choice to best reflect his needs.

I'm not voting for your needs buddy.




Just who is "sending" your jobs overseas? Your job went overseas bcause it can be done cheaper there. This is to the benefit of everyone else. Maybe we should set up a tax fund so that you can be paid for your foolish career choice to train yourself to do the same job that millions of your contemporaries decided to train for. Did any of you IT geniuses ever look around and think that if so many of you are training for the same career it would devalue your place in the labor market?

You seem to be proposing that there be some kind of legislation to prevent jobs from going overseas. I just wondered what you might think the form of that legislation might take. You know and explain how that wouldn't fuck everybody else in a (roughly) free market economy.

I don't expect, nor desire, you to give a fuck about my needs. I just want to know how you think the government should go about bailing your sorry ass out since your incredibly essential job can be done for peanuts overseas. Now I suppose your going to tell me that you don't give a fuck about what I want to know. I thought this was kind of a debate forum and not a whiners convention.


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Re: 40 minutes of down time. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2977684 - 08/08/04 07:51 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Zappa is right. You can't protect one party unless it is at the expense of someone else. We tried to save the jobs of steel workers, but we actually lost more jobs from industries that use the steel they make. The tarriffs caused the cost of the raw steel they use to go up, and those higher prices made them less competative in the world market. Great article on it by Walter Williams:

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=2735

If you want to fight offshoring jobs, ask your Congressman to get rid of FICA payroll taxes and corporate taxes on business. That would reduce the tax burden of companies that produce here and make them more likely to hire.


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Re: 40 minutes of down time. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2977786 - 08/08/04 09:35 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Paying some other country to do american work obviously sends money OUT of our country, and into another. The only people who benefit, since there are no 'goods' coming back in, is the top execs of the company, and the indians who dont buy american products.

I didnt and wil not pretend like I write laws and have a perfect solution. There is a reason I'm not a politician, economist, etc. Its not my job to come up with solutions, its my job to vote in the guy who does or at least comes along with the near best solution.

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