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InvisibleXlea321
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Springsteen on the election
    #2970681 - 08/06/04 02:27 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The stakes are too high to sit this out

Bruce Springsteen
Friday August 6, 2004

A nation's artists and musicians have a particular place in its social and political life. Over the years I've tried to think long and hard about what it means to be American: about the distinctive identity and position we have in the world, and how that position is best carried. I've tried to write songs that speak to our pride and criticise our failures.

These questions are at the heart of this election: who we are, what we stand for, why we fight. Personally, for the last 25 years I have always stayed one step away from partisan politics. Instead, I have been partisan about a set of ideals: economic justice, civil rights, a humane foreign policy, freedom and a decent life for all of our citizens. This year, however, for many of us the stakes have risen too high to sit this election out.

Through my work, I've always tried to ask hard questions. Why is it that the wealthiest nation in the world finds it so hard to keep its promise and faith with its weakest citizens? Why do we continue to find it so difficult to see beyond the veil of race? How do we conduct ourselves during difficult times without killing the things we hold dear? Why does the fulfilment of our promise as a people always seem to be just within grasp yet for ever out of reach?

I don't think John Kerry and John Edwards have all the answers. I do believe they are sincerely interested in asking the right questions and working their way towards honest solutions. They understand that we need an administration that places a priority on fairness, curiosity, openness, humility, concern for all America's citizens, courage and faith.

People have different notions of these values, and they live them out in different ways. I've tried to sing about some of them in my songs. But I have my own ideas about what they mean, too. That is why I plan to join with many fellow artists, including the Dave Matthews Band, Pearl Jam, REM, the Dixie Chicks, Jurassic 5, James Taylor and Jackson Browne in touring the country this October. We will be performing under the umbrella of a new group called Vote for Change. Our goal is to change the direction of the government and change the current administration come November.

Like many others, in the aftermath of 9/11, I felt the country's unity. I don't remember anything quite like it. I supported the decision to enter Afghanistan and I hoped that the seriousness of the times would bring forth strength, humility and wisdom in our leaders. Instead, we dived headlong into an unnecessary war in Iraq, offering up the lives of our young men and women under circumstances that are now discredited. We ran record deficits, while simultaneously cutting and squeezing services like after-school programmes. We granted tax cuts to the richest 1% (corporate bigwigs, well-to-do guitar players), increasing the division of wealth that threatens to destroy our social contract with one another and render mute the promise of "one nation indivisible".

It is through the truthful exercising of the best of human qualities - respect for others, honesty about ourselves, faith in our ideals - that we come to life in God's eyes. It is how our soul, as a nation and as individuals, is revealed. Our American government has strayed too far from American values. It is time to move forward. The country we carry in our hearts is waiting.


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Re: Springsteen on the election [Re: Xlea321]
    #2970756 - 08/06/04 03:01 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

o'reilly was bashing the hell out of springsteen tonight...guess all of the sudden bruce is lumped in with other "liberal elitists" :lol: oreilly is such a douche....but this is typical of fox news, they get their marching orders to slander and tear down anyone who speaks ill of bushy...check out the documentary OUTFOXED explains how they work over there


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Re: Springsteen on the election [Re: Xlea321]
    #2971091 - 08/06/04 08:25 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

It is through the truthful exercising of the best of human qualities - respect for others, honesty about ourselves, faith in our ideals - that we come to life in God's eyes. It is how our soul, as a nation and as individuals, is revealed. Our American government has strayed too far from American values. It is time to move forward. The country we carry in our hearts is waiting.



How can one state how far America has strayed from it's original values, and then support John Kerry? Kerry is probably AS anti-freedom as George W. Bush with about the same disregard for the US Constitution that he has taken an oath to protect. A vote for either brings the 'Great Experiment' of America one step closer to the end.

Alex, so you know, I'm pretty sure Doug Stanhope IS a Libertarian.


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Re: Springsteen on the election [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2971141 - 08/06/04 09:34 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Kerry is probably AS anti-freedom as George W. Bush with about the same disregard for the US Constitution that he has taken an oath to protect.

He may well be. But surely even you agree Bush has to go?

Alex, so you know, I'm pretty sure Doug Stanhope IS a Libertarian

Trust me, you don't have to tell me anything about Doug.


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Re: Springsteen on the election [Re: Xlea321]
    #2971760 - 08/06/04 01:31 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

He may well be. But surely even you agree Bush has to go?



I'll play this game. It would certainly behoove America to not have Bush serve another term. Next question.


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Re: Springsteen on the election [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2972034 - 08/06/04 02:55 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Kerry is probably AS anti-freedom as George W. Bush with about the same disregard for the US Constitution that he has taken an oath to protect




unfortunately..so are the amerikkkan voters.. the polls reacted negatively to kerrys' initial opposition to ashwipe...but what i do expect from kerry is for him to be more honest about the real reasons and the need for fascism and militarism.. and that he is serious about "energy independence"..which..if successful..will at least slow down rightward expansion in the future...


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Re: Springsteen on the election [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2972050 - 08/06/04 03:00 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I think O'Reilly had a point. Springsteen says he avoids partisan
politics, yet every word I have heard come out of his
mouth in regards to politics was hopelessly left-wing. If he
just admitted he was left-leaning in his thinking it would
be more honest.


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Re: Springsteen on the election [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #2972271 - 08/06/04 04:26 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

was that really oreilly's point??? bruce occaisionally steps into the political arena but he tries to stay away because he's not into alienating fans....that guy oreilly was interviewing even tried to name a few right-wing things bruce agreed with and oreilly shot him down....the focus of the interview was clearly to defame bruce and make him look like a rank and file michael moore liberal.....


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Re: Springsteen on the election [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2972276 - 08/06/04 04:27 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

fox news is notorious for immediatly trying to destroy the credibility of anyone who speaks against bush...then they label him/her a liberal no matter who it is


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Re: Springsteen on the election [Re: Xlea321]
    #2972508 - 08/06/04 05:34 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It's unfortunate that entertainers don't just shut the fuck up and entertain.

And that includes entertainers from ALL political leanings.


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Re: Springsteen on the election [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2972599 - 08/06/04 06:02 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

But he's the Boss!


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Re: Springsteen on the election [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #2972868 - 08/06/04 07:07 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Well, I guess.


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Re: Springsteen on the election [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2973222 - 08/06/04 08:47 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I caught an interview the other day of Ben Afleck. He was of course spewing his normal vomit, and Matt Damon was standing back a little bit just watching it. The reporter then asked Matt Damon something, trying to get him to agree with Ben, and he said "I have no interest in politics." The reporter again tried to get him to say something. "I have NO interest in politics."

I likes him. These people achieved their success because of their ability to entertain. I don't it's appropiate to use forumns from that end to espouse their political views.

I saw an interesting piece one time talking about the education of entertainers and their political views. I'll let you guess which were the most educated. (Though I don't believe formal education is prerequisite to understanding these matters, I found it interesting especially when considering how vocal they were)


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Re: Springsteen on the election [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #2980181 - 08/09/04 03:19 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

mouth in regards to politics was hopelessly left-wing.

So how come Reagan said americas future rested in the message of hope of a man called Bruce Springsteen?  :shocked:

just admitted he was left-leaning in his thinking

I'm not sure he is a left-winger in terms of politics. He simply cares about the poor and the weak. I suppose caring does mark you down as a left-winger these days.


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Re: Springsteen on the election [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #2980194 - 08/09/04 03:22 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

and he said "I have no interest in politics." The reporter again tried to get him to say something. "I have NO interest in politics." These people achieved their success because of their ability to entertain. I don't it's appropiate to use forumns from that end to espouse their political views.

I'm glad for Matt. But thank god some people have the courage and intelligence to use their fame to do something positive rather than simply selling their ass for Nike adverts.


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Re: Springsteen on the election [Re: Xlea321]
    #2981488 - 08/09/04 02:13 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)


mouth in regards to politics was hopelessly left-wing.


So how come Reagan said americas future rested in the message of
hope of a man called Bruce Springsteen?

That was one of the biggest missteps in politics. Reagan or his
advisors heard "Born in the U.S.A." and automatically adopted it
as a theme song. They didn't do enough research into the song(it
is about a Vietnam Vet that comes home or something). When they
learned about the real message of the song, they were embarrassed.


just admitted he was left-leaning in his thinking


I'm not sure he is a left-winger in terms of politics. He simply
cares about the poor and the weak. I suppose caring does mark you
down as a left-winger these days.

Nothing is wrong about caring for people. Caring is not a feeling
that is solely owned by the Left. I found an article that details
some of Bruce's political ideas and actions:


But let's at least agree that over the years most fans have grown to
realize that Bruce's politics tend to lean left. We all know the
story of how Reagan tried to co-opt Bruce's Born in the U.S.A. image
for his 1984 campaign. Springsteen had his say a few days later from
the stage in Pittsburgh. Before delivering a powerful "Johnny 99,"
he wondered "what [Reagan?s] favorite album must've been. I don't
think it was the Nebraska album. I don't think he's been listening
to this one."

Still, I don't think it's ever been about Democrat vs. Republican,
left wing vs. right wing. For Bruce Springsteen, I believe it's
always been about the battle of the human spirit. Call it whatever
you want -- the powerless vs. the powerful, the hungry vs. the
overfed, those caught in the system vs. those pulling the strings --
but he has been consistent since day one. Maybe he feels a bit more
urgency now; maybe having kids in this post-9/11 madness invigorates
his desire to spell it out a bit more clearly.

As the 2003 summer tour gathered momentum and Springsteen became
more familiar with the speech that rolled across his TelePrompTer
each night, he seemed to want to add more to the story. One night in
August he informed the audience that if they wanted to read a
funnier version of what he just said they should read Al Franken?s
Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at
the Right. (We can put that book next to A Pocket History of the
United States, Bound for Glory, The Grapes of Wrath, and Journey to
Nowhere -- all endorsed by Bruce from the concert stage and not
exactly an apolitical reading list.) Anyone who pays attention to
such things knows that Franken has morphed from "the Stuart Smalley
guy" on Saturday Night Live to a prominent liberal pundit, a foil
for the likes of Rush Limbaugh (side note: wouldn?t it be great to
see Stuart Smalley have Rush on to compare 12-steps? Doggone it, I?d
like that!). Bruce went as far as to bring Franken out on stage
during the band intros on October 3 in New York. It was playful, but
they both had to know how it would appear to some: "I endorse Al
Franken?s ideology."

Earlier in the night, during the seemingly innocuous "Waitin' on a
Sunny Day," Bruce kept imploring the crowd to sing louder for the
chorus: "One more time if you wanna impeach the president!" He
giggled, perhaps at his own instigating nature. Bruce has been
around far too long not to know exactly what he?s doing. When he
introduces Clarence and says, "Let's get a man in the White House
who knows how to handle this mess!" we all know it?s ridiculous to
suggest a Clemons ticket for 2004. But some conservatives in the
crowd found Bruce's little dig at W. unnecessary, even offensive.
Anybody with a computer and a phone line can instantly post their
comments for the world to see, and on at least two right-wing web
logs (?blogs?) it was reported as fact: "Springsteen Calls for
Impeachment of President Bush." Adding some fuel to his mischievous
fire, Bruce later singled out the Vice President as well. In the
middle of the P.S.A. (in Boston, and later in Washington, DC and New
York) when stating that all are welcome at the shows, Springsteen
added with a sly grin, "except for Dick Cheney. I think that's where
I draw the line."

Seven years ago, Springsteen expressed his personal political views
during the 1996 campaign in California. He lent his voice, name, and
time in an effort to defeat Proposition 209, a ballot initiative
which was seen as a backhanded attempt to end affirmative action in
that state. Attending a Los Angeles rally in late October of that
year, he took the podium after the Rev. Jesse Jackson. Prior to
playing "The Promised Land" he said, "I am here today because I
believe it is very important to stop Proposition 209 in California.
It's not a race and colorblind country -- if you think so, then
there?s a job for you over in Disneyland. Affirmative action has
been an effective tool since the beginning." The people of
California liked the music but not the words; the measure passed by
an almost two-to-one margin. Bruce Springsteen resumed his tour in
support of The Ghost of Tom Joad the following night.

Many took his participation -- his taking-a-stand-activism -- as
some kind of "final clue" that Bruce Springsteen had come out of the
liberal closet and was ready to throw his heavyweight starpower
around in support of all kinds of liberal causes. I imagine he
fielded a few phone calls. Instead, Springsteen continued
downplaying his icon status, playing to 3,000-seat theaters and
singing songs about displaced migrant farmers, the country's working
poor, and others "left behind." The songs were quiet, the message
was loud and clear. Springsteen still cared about standing up for
the little guy, giving a lift to the powerless, and shining a light
on this world?s inequities -- more than he cared to embrace some
grand political platform. Nobody wins unless everybody wins. It was
that simple. And that hasn?t changed, sir.


I don't fault the man for caring about the "down and out". But, he
definately leans left. That seems obvious to me. Nothing is wrong
with that, if he would only admit it.


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