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Offlineprimal440
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Taberneamontana - Iboga analogue
    #2965576 - 08/04/04 09:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I got ahold of 10 grams of powdered Tabernaemontana Sananho I dont know what it is exactly and you cant find too much information on the internet. The only thing I know is that its supposed to be an Ibogaine analogue... Does anybody knows this plant?


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Re: Taberneamontana - Iboga analogue [Re: primal440]
    #2967782 - 08/05/04 02:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

5 minutes with google would give you a ton of info. There are several species of Tabernaemontana that have ibogaine in them. Ibo is a strong and heavy trip. You need to be prepared for a journey that might last a couple days. Start with a smaller dose and work up.

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Re: Taberneamontana - Iboga analogue [Re: Stonehenge]
    #2968947 - 08/05/04 06:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

How readily availiable are these analog plants? I have a very deep interest in iboga and have wanted to experiment for some time now... :eek:


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Re: Taberneamontana - Iboga analogue [Re: entheoindole]
    #3746609 - 02/07/05 07:05 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I have the same questions in mind. I have 50g of taberneamontana sanango and no idea how much to take. Should it be taken plain or be mixed with huasca or rue as it has been described being used?


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Re: Taberneamontana - Iboga analogue [Re: Revelant]
    #3746677 - 02/07/05 07:18 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

And I have the same question, for a FOAF of mine, he has some Tabernaemontana Africana alkaloid extract. I think until someone can test these plants and extracts for their content of various alkaloids, those who have these chemicals should abstain from using them, just in case they contain something bad. Also, no one seems to be sure of how much is in each of these species, so it would be impossible to gauge dosage information. I'll keep looking for data or a good testing site, and so should all of you.

EDIT: According to Erowid, it looks like those in the USA are out of luck for testing:
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Unfortunately, there is little in the way of public testing of street drugs. In the mid-70s the DEA issued an order which disallows labs from doing anonymous quantitative testing of scheduled (illegal) substances. Qualitative anonymous testing is still allowed at a few labs--meaning these labs can take anonymous samples and tell you what substances are in them, but they are not allowed to report how much of each substance is present. Since most people are unwilling to carry an illegal substance in to a lab and submit it with a photocopy of their drivers license, there isn't a lot happening in the way of comprehensive street drug testing.





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Re: Taberneamontana - Iboga analogue [Re: dblaney]
    #3747061 - 02/07/05 08:30 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I have no idea how much to take. Try a gram and work up from there. I have a tabernaemontana species I'm growing right now. I've heard these plants can have lots of different alkaloids in them. It may not be a pleasant trip so be careful.


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Re: Taberneamontana - Iboga analogue [Re: dblaney]
    #3747063 - 02/07/05 08:32 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

May have to go the way of Shulgin:
Take tiny doses and build up.
Just remember, dose and effects can vary.


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Re: Taberneamontana - Iboga analogue [Re: biglo]
    #3747250 - 02/07/05 09:13 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yes that could very well be the only viable route...if anyone decides to do this, please keep a detailed log and post updates here.


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Re: Taberneamontana - Iboga analogue [Re: dblaney]
    #3765587 - 02/11/05 07:54 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Anyone had any successes?


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Re: Taberneamontana - Iboga analogue [Re: dblaney]
    #3765631 - 02/11/05 08:29 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Extraction of T. iboga root (TA). One kg (2.5 L) of powdered T. iboga root and 5 L of 0.5% acetic acid were placed in a 6 L plastic bucket, stirred occasionally for one hour, and filtered through a cloth sack. The sack was wrung to expel all possible liquid from the root powder and the filtrate (pH = 3-4) was basified using 60 mL of 30% ammonia. The resulting flocculent, medium greenish-brown precipitate of TA was patiently gravity filtered through 30 cm filter paper and thoroughly rinsed with distilled water. This procedure was repeated twice more on the same root powder. The filter papers bearing the TA were placed on paper towels on a wire rack and left in a warm draft until successive weighings detected no more than 0.3% loss per day. The hard, dark brown solid weighed 30.037 g (3.0%) and was ground in a mortar and sifted to give a fine brown powder.




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Re: Taberneamontana - Iboga analogue [Re: delta9]
    #3765672 - 02/11/05 08:50 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

in TIHKAL dr shulgin had a nice little list of plants with iboga-type alkaloids...

i think that jonathan ott had a similar list in _pharmacotheon_


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Re: Taberneamontana - Iboga analogue [Re: gnrm23]
    #3774235 - 02/13/05 03:11 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

It seems there has been some misconseption somewhere. I searched Internet with the other names tha plant has and some sources tell that Tabernaemontana sanago = Shiric sanago = Brunfelsia grandiflora = Macan? root.

http://www.rain-tree.com/manaca.htm
The descriptions match uncannily the vendors description... 

It seems the plant contains no ibogaine alkaloids.

http://www.weight-care.com/peru_herbs.htm
" 58.- SHIRIC SANANGO (Brunfelsia grandiflora); D. Don ssp. schultessi Plowman.: ?Chiric sanango?, ?shiric sanango?, ?moca pari?. Sometimes cultivated as an ornamental or medicinal plant. Around Pucallpa, the leaf decoction is used internally for arthritis and rheumatism. Root infusion with aguardiente for rheumatism, venereal diseases, chills. Plant is regarded as; diaphoretic, diuretic, for fever, yellow fever, rheumatism, snakebite, syphilis, It contains: scopoletin, quinic acid, tartaric acid, lactic acid."

I fear the awful truth of Taberneamontana sananho is that it doesn't exist  :bored:

I hope I'm wrong.


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Re: Taberneamontana - Iboga analogue [Re: Revelant]
    #3774500 - 02/13/05 04:42 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I believe you are wrong. Tabernaemontana belongs to the Apocynaceae family, not the Solanaceae family, although the names are close enough that it might have been renamed or similar, which could have misled you.

There is one Erowid report of T. Sanago: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=3716

Other than that, I guess we're still waiting for someone to be the guinea pig?


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Re: Taberneamontana - Iboga analogue [Re: dblaney]
    #3793740 - 02/17/05 04:33 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Taebernaemontana sanago and brunfelsia grandiflora are one and the same?

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Re: Taberneamontana - Iboga analogue [Re: Revelant]
    #3794133 - 02/17/05 06:02 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Perhaps so, but it is entirely possible that the uses they are referring to are at low doses, while it is psychedelic at high doses.


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Re: Taberneamontana - Iboga analogue [Re: dblaney]
    #3803086 - 02/19/05 01:34 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I boiled 12 grams for some time and strained it.
Drank the foul tasting liquid and waited for a couple of hours.
Now experiencing some slight alteration. Almost nothing.
Possibly just a placebo effect. I wish I had pot.


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