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OfflineTheChiaPetFarmer
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Re: Teens Eating Hallucinogenic, Deadly Weeds [Re: Anno]
    #3027818 - 08/20/04 11:09 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

What exactly happened to the carpet? LOL!

Sometimes cheap highs come with expensive consequences. Not worth it. Can't beat the good ol' stanky stanky sticky icky stuff. :P


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Re: Teens Eating Hallucinogenic, Deadly Weeds [Re: Anno]
    #3030346 - 08/20/04 11:26 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

What would smoking some of the Datura Leaves do to you?? Anybody here have any first hand experience.. I'm not talking rolling a joint full of leaves, maybe just a hit or two out of a pipe?


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Re: Teens Eating Hallucinogenic, Deadly Weeds [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #3038768 - 08/23/04 09:32 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Smoking, dat leafs, chill me out to fuck, yes i have first hand experience, about 2 to 3 years.....


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Re: Teens Eating Hallucinogenic, Deadly Weeds [Re: Anno]
    #3044416 - 08/24/04 03:43 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

honestly, fuck jimsom weed. I've heard pretty much nothing but bad experiences from it. Even where I am, where shrooms and stuff don't come around that often, I don't think I'd ever be desperate enough to try that shit. I know 3 kids that were desperate enough to try it, one of them died the other two ended up in the hospital. sorry but thats to much of a risk to my health, especially for something that I've heard isn't even a true hallucinogen, it's just so toxic that it makes you delerious and causes hallucinations. I'm sure if you ate enough rat poison you'd probably see some crazy shit too, before you dies anyway. Now if I've got my facts mixed up about this plant please feel free to tell me, because I could be wrong, I mean I've read very little on this plant since the few things I have read and heard about it completly killed my curiousity for it. :thumbdown:


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Re: Teens Eating Hallucinogenic, Deadly Weeds [Re: Anno]
    #3045075 - 08/24/04 06:31 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

The main difference between smoked and oral is intensity..
Here a post i made from a current thread in ODD.


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If you enter an anticholinergic poisoning you will not trip. You will experience toxic delirium.
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I don't want to go into the bio/neurochemistry too much because those who'd really want to know can google it.
Let me just say that Dreams, Delirium and Psychosis truely and genuinely are one and the same thing, but the latter two are waking dreams brought about by intoxication (delirium) and neuropsychological derangements. (like in schizophrenia)
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There is a fundamental difference between normal waking states and anxiety, depression etc. as these negative states radically alter the brain chemistry. You know about war vets, incest victims, hate crime victims getting "fucked up" for years on end. Yet particularly wonderfull events will not be likely to make you "blissed up" for years to the same degree.
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Anxiety, terror, depression, pain etc are associated with situations that may be crucial for organismic survival. Since your DNA is selfish and just wants to procreate it is geared to be a bad parent by readily hurting you with phobia, post traumatic stress disorder, anxiety- and panic disorders and be a bit sparse with rewards, using them almost like a lure. (How come an acute orgasm doesnt last for hours and most aren't as thunderstruck as in the penny "romantic" woman's novels? Because rolling on the forest floor in ecstasy for hours might get you and more importantly your offspring killed.)
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Likewise there is a kind of dreaming that is associated with neutrality/positiveness and a particularly cruel Shadow side.
"Dreamscape" is associated strongly with lifelike symbolic representations (situations) and most characteristically: auditory hallucinations and trance logic, automatic speech, reality confusion and AMNESIA. (remember your dream as well as any other thing that happened 5 minutes after the fact?)
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Sleep deprivation, other sensory deprivation states, Salvia Divinorum, Fly Agaric and MDMA overdose tend towards neutral dreamstates. (psychedelics do not: they stand so far from dreams that they're in a visionary class of their own.
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The Nightshades (Datura, Atropa, Hyoscyamus, Brugmansia, Dubiosia, Scopolia and Mandragora), the Tropane Herbs, as well as alcohol delirium and prologed (schizophrenic) hallucinatory psychosis literally are NIGHTMARE DRUGS.
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But you cannot believe how intense nightmares are! Mother nature shrouds them in hefty amnesia as to not self-traumatise, but Tropanes and Psychosis go beyond the self-protection mechanism either by chemical imbalance due to a drug or a weakness in the genes composition that make the brain happen.
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Many fools at Erowid turn in amusing little anecdotes. How they pass cigarettes to imaginary friends, talk to furniture and how they run around the street naked bashing windows in with their heads.
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But Tropanes are actually visionary compounds of the Dark side. And you do NOT want to go there, at least 99/100 would get mentally fucked up if they got physically raped by their own hand amidst the sight, sound and smell of the Living Dead, the summit of fear and dangerous poisoning, like i have been.
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Personally I uphold the belief that wild frenzied uncontrolled masturbation and the rotting flesh of the dead do not mix. In my Tropane Hell it was symbolically brought about.
Ed Gein however made it to his lifestyle and most "sick" horror movies are made to his real life template.
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There, the gruesome evidence proved that Gein's bizarre obsessions had finally exploded into murder, and much, much worse. In the woodshed of the farm was the naked, headless body of Bernice Worden, hanging upside down from a meat hook and slit open down the front. Her head and intestines were discovered in a box, and her heart on a plate in the dining room. The skins from ten human heads were found preserved, and another skin taken from the upper torso of a woman was rolled up on the floor. There was a belt fashioned from carved-off nipples, a chair upholstered in human skin, the crown of a skull used as a soup-bowl, lampshades covered in flesh pilled taut, a table propped up by a human shinbones, and a refrigerator full of human organs. The four posts on Gein's bed were topped with skulls and a human head hung on the wall alongside nine death-masks - the skinned faces of women - and decorative bracelets made out of human skin. The stunned searchers also uncovered a soup bowls fashioned from skulls, a shoebox full of female genitalia, faces stuffed with newspapers and mounted like hunting trophies on the walls, and a "mammary vest" flayed from the torso of a woman. Gein later confessed that he enjoyed dressing himself in this and other human-skin garments and pretending he was his own mother.




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This is classic medievel insanity that went unchecked for decades.
The acts are inconceivable, but his world was the literal wide awake nightmare that bears simularity to genuine tropane visions, except Ed Gein lived them to the point of actually exhuming dead women from the local cemetary and killing those he needed for his "artistic expressions of his innermost mind".
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The particular cluster of Tropanes constitutes a sense of demonic presence (not necessarily Evil in the Christian sense, in fact I never encountered "true Evil") atrocities (note the Atropos root? It is The Horror and Atropa was the Greek "fate" who cut the thread of life when a mortal died. Atropine sounds less fun now, does it? I call the Realm of Nightmares "Atropia") and sexual arousal. Please note the theme in this old etching:
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Emphasis lies on Demonic/Orgy elements. This heathen orgy of witches may in fact have taken place, the Demons conjured up by Witching Herbs and far more true to "pagan symbols" as christianity as long before christianity conquered Rome, into Stonehenge time Europe, rituals were led by a high priest and Horned Gods and Satyrs tell of non-evil horned (and, well, sometimes horny) neutral or benevolent entities.
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The Rakshasa-beasts of Hinduism bear striking resemblence to medieval european Demons, look for pics of Balinese Rakshasa masks.
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Now look at a contemporary pop-culture image of Atropia, from the movie Hellraiser:
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Here the main themes come together creating a powerful contemporary image: the Demonic, the Atrocious, the sadomasochistic orgy element and as a sidenote the lead Demon's spiked head bears resemblance to a thorn-apple capsule. Has Clive Barker read some trip reports?
The Cthulu-stories are very Atropian and in fact the "Satanic Church" has more or less done away with Christianity's Devil in favor of HP Lovecraft-like maddening demons. (Akin to the movie "in the mouth of madness" for those who dont like to read horror;))
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Next stop is my favorite psychoactive Old Master painter Hieronymus Bosch. He near-exclusively painted pictures of a blended Atropian/Christian Hell loaded with Atropian beings and scenes:
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Again the Demonic, Orgiastic and Atrocious scenes surface.
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Atropia is a very personal place. You will meet your own Demons your mind has blotted out of your nightmares to protect your mental integrity.
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When hunting Witches in olden times it was usual to let physical torture be accompanied by Tropane herb poisoning. In a particularly cruel later-day torture a big thorn-apple (the genus reached us through the Middle East) was crammed up a person's mouth, who was then gagged and torture resumed.
This is hardly conductive to a "good trip", in fact Tropanes bring true poisoning along with their nightmare/delirium/psychosis nature.
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The Truely Just wouldnt die of torture: The Lord would protect the righteous. And since none were spared, they had to be witches, al of them.
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You can understand that a confession elicited by torture, spoken from deeply within Atropia would hardly conform to concensus reality. In fact there were common themes.
DMT has its Elves, Atropia has its Demons.
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And now we come full circle.
The Nightmare/Atropia world within us, the one that can drive you mad at it is genuine madness itself, has common themes from Bali to the Blocksberg to Bolivia. Just like concensus reality, or LSD, it has a degree of consistency too it.
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And I can guarantee you that I'm 99% sure you don't want to unleash it into a wide-awake nightmare.
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To round it off I will cut & paste a poem of some of my (mis)adventures in Atropia. As I translated it from Dutch the artist's fluency is lost. *cough*
Warning: Do NOT enter ATROPIA. You are not ready.
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ATROPIA

Welcome to Atropia
the Darkest Realms of the Soul
Welcome to Atropia
Universe of Spectres
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Feel the tension, the excitement
slowly creeping up on you
here, now, anything can happen
here, now, the Dark Gate opens
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Lying in Darkness
Spectres Dwale the room
solid like Flesh and empty like the Void
the Visions commence
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I saw the locomotive stop
that train station, World War Two or Three
persecuted herded into them
I am one of them
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Feel Lust ripping through your Flesh
unhinged, potent, sexual frenzy
accompanied by cruel visions
you spew your spawn, shrieking like a beast
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I was There, there on the battlefield
rotting corpses as far as i could see
intense horror, its not imagined
dead eyes staring at me
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Soaring through the air and Time and Space
drinking dinosaurs, pastoral
a creature looked at me with the thinnest eyes
not of this Earth, yet here with me
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The tension is merciless
you could cut the air with a straight-edge razor
explosions of fear shatter my Courage
living my very worst wide-awake nightmare
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Contentedly smiling I drive my car
through the lush lands of Nature
I know: this is Real
another Life in another Time
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It is over and done with me
I feel Life oozing from my Flesh
There is no doubt, no doubt at all
I am dying here in my bed
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Clairvoyant events
ghosts of a distant past
the telephone rings in my room
there is no telephone in my room
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Am I awake or am I dreaming
there is nothing left to discern
paralysed and petrified I lie in bed
while Visions seep into Eye and Ear.
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Raging tension
excited Lust and willingness
fear soars through my body
my erection driven in the sheets
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Demon of Fear
Demon of Lust
Demon of Visions
Tonight I dream my dreams in Atropia


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Re: Teens Eating Hallucinogenic, Deadly Weeds [Re: Asante]
    #3058757 - 08/27/04 05:26 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I found your postvery interesting and entertaining, even a bit illuminating.  :sun:

Good one.

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Re: Teens Eating Hallucinogenic, Deadly Weeds [Re: Asante]
    #3064643 - 08/29/04 11:51 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I have ventured twice to this land of hell and the only posssible adddition to what Wiccan Seeker so well put is the DAYS of visual and mental disfunction after a deep trip into the Dark Land.Personaly after being repeatedly impaled on a long wooden stake for an unknown amount of time I will never venture back.
I have learned enough lessons about pain and misery in reality w/o seeking more.
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Re: Teens Eating Hallucinogenic, Deadly Weeds [Re: Asante]
    #3087564 - 09/03/04 03:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Wow Wiccan Seeker, I haven't been here that long, but that was definatly the best post I've read so far,I couldn't stop reading it!
Awesome poem too.  :thumbup: :grin:


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