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Depression
#2963480 - 08/04/04 08:25 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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To see if the large amount of people here have been depressed in the past. And with depressed I mean close to suicide.
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Re: Depression [Re: Fliquid]
#2963537 - 08/04/04 08:58 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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i've been depressed and i've thought about the option of suicide but NEVER thought it was a good option... suicide is stupid! things can only get better if you think they're so bad that you want to kill yr self!
i'm pretty sure everyone entertain the thought of suicide at some part in life... their were certin times i stood on a roof or near a window and suddenly imagined my self jumping and actualy felt the urge to do it but still... no way!
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Re: Depression [Re: Fliquid]
#2963630 - 08/04/04 09:44 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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been there. not currently there. hope never to go back.
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Re: Depression [Re: Fliquid]
#2965113 - 08/04/04 04:12 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, I am suicidal pretty frequently and have been for a long time. But I will fight to the death.
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Re: Depression [Re: Locus]
#2966682 - 08/05/04 01:14 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've been suicidal as well, but when I look at things now.. I have to say I find it a shame to end things already, even though times are hard every once in a while.
Your own life is all you have for yourself, why end it before it ends on itself or by other reason?
I made this poll because I believe most drug users were depressed before or have become depressed due to drug use.
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Re: Depression [Re: Fliquid]
#2966981 - 08/05/04 06:12 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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>I made this poll because I believe most drug users were depressed before or have become depressed due to drug use.
Not what I'd call one of the smartest comments I've seen this week. People have a hell of a lot more reasons to be depressed than drug use. I was depressed LONG before I ever thought about trying drugs.
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Re: Depression [Re: Gumby]
#2966990 - 08/05/04 06:19 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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So what you're saying is that you didn' actually really read what I said?
Since I said:
- I made this poll because I believe most drug users were depressed before
- or have become depressed due to drug use.
So this states clearly that I am not saying that drugs are the only reason for depression. Please try to explain what you are trying to say.
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Re: Depression [Re: Fliquid]
#2967079 - 08/05/04 07:27 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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for what it's worth, drugs (the psychedelic ones anyway) have lessened my deppressive/suicidal tendencies. and, yes, being depressed certainly helped turn me in the direction of drug use to begin with.
i feel fortunate to have accepted psycedelics into my life. they've done wonders for my state of mind. that's not to say that i'm always happy or that it has been an easy road to travel. but they have helped me see the value in my own life, so even if i'm depressed suicide is no longer an option i'm willing to consider.
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Re: Depression [Re: tyke]
#2967265 - 08/05/04 09:08 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Drugs are primary factors in many peoples depression. Drugs are like the forbidden fruit, disrupts ballance and occupies your thoughts. You no longer rely on the things you use to for pleasure, or they don't bring you enough anymore. You know you could go for a walk on the beach, that always made you feel good, talking with friends at a restaurant, laying down with your girlfriend and watching a movie, sure those are fun, but not as fun as shooting up. Not to mention withdrawal or come down, including long term chronic fatigue which is linked to certain stimulatory drug use and is the result of a low content of certain neurotransmitters including dopamine and serotonin amongst other things. I've NEVER known a 'druggie' to not be depressed, when he doesen't have some kind of way to alter his consciousness. I've known ALOT of druggies too. You might say they were depressed before drug use. I say drugs are an excuse not to fix whats causing the depression in their life in the first place WHILE biologically making it worse. As far as shroomin and trippin goes, that's a-ok in my books as long as its done in moderation.
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Re: Depression [Re: Fliquid]
#2967328 - 08/05/04 09:43 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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My depression and suicidal thoughts have come from years of hell in my life. I've gone through loads of really bad shit and it still continues. I endured all of it without drug use for years. For me that came later on. But I still barely use any drugs. Although, because of my situation it's not as available to me and if it was I would probably use more. But surely as i2ancid mentioned, depression and drug use can cause an on going cycle that spirals downward. It's reciprocal in that the drugs alleviate depression but in return give you depression when you don't have them, as well as lowering the affectiveness of your neurotransmitters. It makes perfect sense, you get high and you want to always feel that way and whenever you don't then you're miserable.. depending on how bad it affects you, well that depends on how far into the drug use you are and what kind, etc. ya know.
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Re: Depression [Re: I2ancid]
#2972185 - 08/06/04 01:48 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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i2ancid said: Drugs are primary factors in many peoples depression. Drugs are like the forbidden fruit, disrupts ballance and occupies your thoughts. You no longer rely on the things you use to for pleasure, or they don't bring you enough anymore. You know you could go for a walk on the beach, that always made you feel good, talking with friends at a restaurant, laying down with your girlfriend and watching a movie, sure those are fun, but not as fun as shooting up.
Not to mention withdrawal or come down, including long term chronic fatigue which is linked to certain stimulatory drug use and is the result of a low content of certain neurotransmitters including dopamine and serotonin amongst other things.
I've NEVER known a 'druggie' to not be depressed, when he doesen't have some kind of way to alter his consciousness. I've known ALOT of druggies too. You might say they were depressed before drug use. I say drugs are an excuse not to fix whats causing the depression in their life in the first place WHILE biologically making it worse.
As far as shroomin and trippin goes, that's a-ok in my books as long as its done in moderation.
i guess this applies to all drugs *besides* psychedelics and sometimes marijuana which are the 2 main drugs on this site. psychedelics (specially fungi) help you find whats wrong with your life so you can fix it, think about all the thinking one does.
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Re: Depression [Re: Gumby]
#2972746 - 08/06/04 04:40 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Gumby said: >I made this poll because I believe most drug users were depressed before or have become depressed due to drug use.
Not what I'd call one of the smartest comments I've seen this week. People have a hell of a lot more reasons to be depressed than drug use. I was depressed LONG before I ever thought about trying drugs.
OK, then you're an exception to his statement. You're not everyone.
I became very depressed after the repeated use of psychedelics, and I know of many others.
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Re: Depression [Re: Fliquid]
#2973819 - 08/06/04 09:46 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just think it's useless to try to make any link between drug use and depression. There's plent of stright edged depressed people out there.
Are you trying to say that people were depressed, and turned to illicit drugs to cure it? Drugs as an escape type thing?
That's the way I interperet it.
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Re: Depression [Re: Gumby]
#2974332 - 08/07/04 12:46 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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You don't think drug use is escapism?
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Re: Depression [Re: Locus]
#2974525 - 08/07/04 01:53 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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For some people, sure.
For me? No.
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Re: Depression [Re: Fliquid]
#2974536 - 08/07/04 02:00 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Only when I was a virgin busting to get my rocks off LoL!
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Re: Depression [Re: Gumby]
#2974593 - 08/07/04 02:37 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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ah, so what is it for you then.. enlightenment?
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Re: Depression [Re: Locus]
#2977222 - 08/08/04 12:13 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, self exploration, learning, if not just plain fun.
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Re: Depression [Re: Fliquid]
#2977533 - 08/08/04 05:17 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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I haven't been suicidal since I was like 13. I've been feeling down a lot lately, but mostly because of stupid shit that is completely within my control. I'm more angry with myself than anything else, and in weird way, I think that is all the more reason to live. Life is about making yourself a better person, and as such, I've got plenty of shit to work on.
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Re: Depression [Re: Simisu]
#2978667 - 08/08/04 03:27 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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I find that alot of people in Shroomery are drug users, and some are abusers.
One can easily link depression and drug use, it just makes sense.
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Re: Depression [Re: Fliquid]
#2979916 - 08/09/04 12:02 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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to my mind,depression is the product of modern city life can't see any link between depression and drug use,use not abuse
i feel depressed when i don't smoke grass daily that is just because i'm half-human without psychedelics... and i live in a modern city too,i would be depressed if i didn't meet with shamanic plants,and some other synthisized drugs..
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Re: Depression [Re: Gumby]
#2980175 - 08/09/04 01:16 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Gumby said: I just think it's useless to try to make any link between drug use and depression. There's plent of stright edged depressed people out there.
Are you trying to say that people were depressed, and turned to illicit drugs to cure it? Drugs as an escape type thing?
That's the way I interperet it.
No not as an escape. Most people who say people use drugs as an escape, are people who never used drugs they're selfs in most cases.
Thats not the way i meant it.
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Quote:
butterflydawn said: to my mind,depression is the product of modern city life can't see any link between depression and drug use,use not abuse
i feel depressed when i don't smoke grass daily that is just because i'm half-human without psychedelics... and i live in a modern city too,i would be depressed if i didn't meet with shamanic plants,and some other synthisized drugs..
Now this is a very interesting point of view.  I know people who would really (in my point of view, and I have a good view on people) benefit from a psychedelic experience. But you can only try and explain, people who never had the urge to seek it out will not be easily turned to it. And I'm talking about people who trust me and are dear to me, they just don't dare. And I want to help them out of they're depressed way of thinking.
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Re: Depression [Re: Fliquid]
#2980398 - 08/09/04 02:46 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fliquid said:Now this is a very interesting point of view.  I know people who would really (in my point of view, and I have a good view on people) benefit from a psychedelic experience. But you can only try and explain, people who never had the urge to seek it out will not be easily turned to it. And I'm talking about people who trust me and are dear to me, they just don't dare. And I want to help them out of they're depressed way of thinking.
i also agree... i think i was depressed all my life without knowing what's wrong with me and WHY I'm not at all content with my life but then i finished my army service and had a few months of heavy use of sweet MaryJane... it did NOT help my general depression but i'm sure it put my life into prespective and helped me realize my situation... modern life is hard... we have too many options too many fears and not enough means to accomplish ALL the things we want (while most of what we want is just bullshit really) we grew up with standards that are actually pretty far from reality... drugs may help alot with this situation but it totally depends on the person that's using them... i know that for most of the people i know drugs only helped! (I'm talking about weed shroomes and maybe even LSD... alcohol never does anything good) but it depends on how we define drug use... because over here it's nothing like in the US... there's much less miss use of drugs!
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Re: Depression [Re: Simisu]
#2980429 - 08/09/04 03:07 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Indeed, it does depend on the country as well. Differend countries have people with differend views and lifestyles..
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I find, and this includes myself, that when one is depressed or feeling down, we look outward, and think externaly when it comes to what is depressing us. Like: Its the people around me, it's the shitty weather, it's the food I eat. All of that stuff is controlable, and you can change all of this if you really wanted to. But when it comes right down to it, one has to change themselves. You might not even be able to run out of external excuses, and just have to learn how to cope better instead of thinking that they will disapear.
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