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InvisibleSclorch
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Stability
    #2962841 - 08/04/04 03:07 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

What is it, really?

To me, it's merely a concept... an idea... it has no substance. It's not even relative.
Constant flux is all there is.
So why the rush to assign meaning to everything? Why must it be rationalized or even categorized? To achieve some sort of power over things - to achieve stability?

At the same time... does such "insight" not grant one a smidgen of the very same stability they so reject?

There seems to be no escape from the counterdirectional pulls of stability and change.


-just an observation-


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Re: Stability [Re: Sclorch]
    #2962979 - 08/04/04 04:20 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Stability??????

A point of conclusion


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Re: Stability [Re: Sclorch]
    #2963327 - 08/04/04 09:01 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i like your signature


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Re: Stability [Re: Sclorch]
    #2963634 - 08/04/04 11:46 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

> Why must it be rationalized or even categorized?

You going Zen, Sclorch?  :smile:


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Re: Stability [Re: Sclorch]
    #2964171 - 08/04/04 02:28 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

im with you sclorch...

with every day now it feels like more of a waste to define or categorize ANYTHING...


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Re: Stability [Re: Sclorch]
    #2967839 - 08/05/04 02:39 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Its going to be hard to get off of this planet without categorizing and labeling things.


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Re: Stability [Re: Strumpling]
    #2967876 - 08/05/04 02:47 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Who said we wanted to get off?


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Re: Stability [Re: cleaner]
    #2967970 - 08/05/04 03:10 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

What else will we do?!


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Re: Stability [Re: GazzBut]
    #2967975 - 08/05/04 03:11 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Whats the matter? You ve got nothing to do??


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Re: Stability [Re: Sclorch]
    #2968288 - 08/05/04 04:18 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

We're quickly filling up and killing this planet - we need more room and more stuff to consume.

Oh yeah we're not supposed to be concerned with that.

edit: whoops I accidentally put sclorch as the RE: on this one..


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Edited by Strumpling (08/05/04 04:29 PM)


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Re: Stability [Re: Sclorch]
    #2968309 - 08/05/04 04:24 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Sclorch said:
There seems to be no escape from the counterdirectional pulls of stability and change.




I think the reason there seems to be no escape is the human mind's duality. Everyone shifts from one gear to the other, back and forth.. the important thing is to know how to control that.

Imagine you're (not you literally, just a hypothetical) all frustrated and angry about something.. everyone's trying to cheer you up, but they're failing. They're attempting to change your gears for you, because you can't do it yourself while you're blinded by emotion.

What I'm suggesting is simply to learn to control the gear shift. Instead of trying to rationalize a reason why you should be happy (it will NOT work, because your mind will always wander to the reasons why you should NOT be happy) you could actively choose to change your mood, despite all the reasons for this or that.

Now.. imagine you are in your "car" (person) and you're riding down the rocky and dangerous road of life. Obviously, it's much more beneficial to know how to work the stick-shift than to not know. Heh.. I know this is kind of a whacky way to put it, but it makes it a bit more literal and visual.


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Re: Stability [Re: Strumpling]
    #2970412 - 08/06/04 01:16 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Strumpling said:
Its going to be hard to get off of this planet without categorizing and labeling things.



Categorizing and labeling have their places...
But when it comes to the big picture, the whole thang... we could take an infinite number of steps back and we still wouldn't be able to see the beast in its entirety.

Or... we could all go and get a WWJD bracelet and pretend we're not riding a giant rollercoaster.


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Re: Stability [Re: Sclorch]
    #2970598 - 08/06/04 02:04 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

that's true but I feel we can know a lot more than we do now and possibly adjust lifestyles accordingly to perhaps feel a bit better about our race and how we fit into the universe..

I mean don't get me wrong, mankind ROCKS, but I think as a collective we are kind of an unhealthy organism at this point.


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Re: Stability [Re: Sclorch]
    #2970725 - 08/06/04 02:47 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Categorizing is essential for all practical pursuits. If you don't know the difference between a magic mushroom and a death cap you had better not go mushroom hunting.

When it comes to contemplating the whole thing, the big picture, obviously none of us could see or describe it in its entirety, yet we can know some things which are true about it.

You said "Constant flux is all there is." this position was first presented by Heraclitus about 2,500 years ago. He was opposed by Parmenides who said that all being is solid and permanent, and that change is an illusion. Plato and Arestotle were the first two philosophers to reconcile these contrary positions. Both concluded that reality is both fixed (stable) and changing (in flux). Some things change, and some things don't.

Even Heraclitus admitted that there was some "logos" which did not change. Logos is greek for word, and/or reason. He figured if things are always in flux, then there must be some unchanging reason for this. It seems to me that stability is unavoidable if you wish to know or accomplish anything.


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