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InvisibleKingOftheThing
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are there any true independants out there??
    #2958114 - 08/02/04 11:31 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

from what ive heard, most of these polls done by national newspapers, magazines and such arent accurately projecting the outcome of the election. most agree that the election will be decided by independent and new voters. people who arent likely to subscribe to things like news week or usa today. so are there any independents (people who have voted for candidates of both parties) around here? or how about people voting for the first time?? where do u stand, who are u voting for? are you still undecided? what issues are swaying u one way or the other?


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Re: are there any true independants out there?? [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2958617 - 08/03/04 01:58 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

im a independant. was going to vote bush last year bt i went nader. this year im voting kerry


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Re: are there any true independants out there?? [Re: AhronZombi]
    #2958709 - 08/03/04 02:45 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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AhronZombi said:
was going to vote bush last year bt i went nader.



That is one hell of a switch.


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Re: are there any true independants out there?? [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2958759 - 08/03/04 03:01 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I dislike both candidates. They're both rich. What we need is someone who's poor to become president. Like that straggled out dude in the middle of Harvard square bummin for survival. Those mutherfuckers will do shit for the people no other president would do.


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Re: are there any true independants out there?? [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2960142 - 08/03/04 02:45 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

When I was doing a voter registration project, I met a guy who seemed like a true independent. He doesn't like Bush, but he voted for Arnold Schwarzenegger. He kept talking about how he believes in the whole "May the best man win," idea.


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Re: are there any true independants out there?? [Re: MAGnum]
    #2960147 - 08/03/04 02:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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MAGnum said:
I dislike both candidates. They're both rich. What we need is someone who's poor to become president. Like that straggled out dude in the middle of Harvard square bummin for survival. Those mutherfuckers will do shit for the people no other president would do.



Clinton came from a lower-class background, and we all saw how that turned out.


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Re: are there any true independants out there?? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2960199 - 08/03/04 03:01 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Lincoln also came from the lower class.

The man made himself.


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Re: are there any true independants out there?? [Re: MAGnum]
    #2960208 - 08/03/04 03:04 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

And Lincoln was one of the most tyrannical presidents we've had. What's your point?


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Re: are there any true independants out there?? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2960274 - 08/03/04 03:29 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

What brings you to use Clinton as an example of a bad president?


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Re: are there any true independants out there?? [Re: Tao]
    #2960290 - 08/03/04 03:33 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not saying he was an exceptionally bad president. Just that he was another scumbag politician like all the rest. The fact that he was born into poverty did not make him any better of a politician.


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Re: are there any true independants out there?? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2960313 - 08/03/04 03:39 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

you really converted...u buy into too much of the libertarian rhetoric that gets spewed...remember its just another political party, people spin , embelish and lie just like every other politician.


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Re: are there any true independants out there?? [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2960337 - 08/03/04 03:45 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'm aware of the fact that my views have changed a great deal in the past year or so. I try to be wary of the Libertarian party as well, and realize that they're not perfect either. I'm not saying Clinton was that bad of a president(though Waco was certainly an example of tyranny if I ever did see it). Just that he's not that different from other presidents with privileged backgrounds.


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Re: are there any true independants out there?? [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2960338 - 08/03/04 03:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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u buy into too much of the libertarian rhetoric that gets spewed...remember its just another political party, people spin , embelish and lie just like every other politician.


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Re: are there any true independants out there?? [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2960478 - 08/03/04 04:15 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

its just another political party

libertarianism started long before the libertarian party.


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Re: are there any true independants out there?? [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2960512 - 08/03/04 04:25 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Independent here!


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Re: are there any true independants out there?? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #2960582 - 08/03/04 04:40 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I am not a member of any political party. I see myself a centrist. I believe in the two party state. I think the that the two parties should be the Libertarian and the Republican party. The Democratic party has outlived its use. Somebody needs to tell that the Great Society is over and done with.

Ronald Wilson Reagan came from humble beginings. He went on to become an American Icon. His dad was an alcoholic that couldn't hold a job, yet he grew up to free hundreds of millions of people by winning the cold war.


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Re: are there any true independants out there?? [Re: JesusChrist]
    #2960605 - 08/03/04 04:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

rofl

liberatian and republican party should be the only two? Yeah, lets take the right wing, and the extreme right wing. That is in NO way centrist just so you know.


back to the topic:
I'd call myself an independant, and I'm voting green this election.

Kerry= :shrug:
Bush= please god, no

Only voting Cobb as I'm not in a swing state and think that a third party should come to the light, last election they came closest to getting national funding.  Plus, they should regulate many of the things I believe *need* to be regulated.


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