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old appartment with mold on wall?
    #2957640 - 08/02/04 08:46 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

i'm going to start my first grow at a friends place...
he just moved there and there's some mold (like you get in poorly ventilated showers) on some of the walls (and i suspect the only place we'll have for the tarriume is near one of these walls)

i'm wondering if this is gonna be a problame?
we're going PF style (sterilizetion and innuculation is not going to be at his place for sure!)

so would a fully colonized cake handle the grubby aparttment or should we make an affort and repaint the place?

any thoughts and comments are welcome
thanks

(i just hope i'm in the right forum with this question...)


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Re: old appartment with mold on wall? [Re: Simisu]
    #2957675 - 08/02/04 08:59 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

i sugeest painting the walls bro... contamination is a whore.. you could try killing that shit with alot of bleach and shit like that depends on how big... ight juss grow back...usually does


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Re: old appartment with mold on wall? [Re: sillysimon]
    #2957719 - 08/02/04 09:13 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

i'm afraid he wouldn't want to paint so bleach might be a good idea...
how would i know if it's dead or not?

how imparative is it that we kill this mold befor birthing the cakes?
i mean... is it going to be a problame for sure or is there a chance we could get away with it?


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Re: old appartment with mold on wall? [Re: Simisu]
    #2957756 - 08/02/04 09:24 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

If painting isnt an option then make yourself a little cleanroom.

One little tent from Walmart (little cheap camping tent)
Pipe in air from a hepa filter and you have a positive pressure mini-lab pretty cheap that will greatly reduce your contam rate.
Yeah,I guess that is a little out there maybe,so anyway the bleach water will help a bunch. If you could get your hands on an ozone generator/ionizer you could kick it on high and leave for a few hours. When you get back just open the windows to get fresh o2 inside and the mold should be controlled.

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Re: old appartment with mold on wall? [Re: Simisu]
    #2959392 - 08/03/04 10:18 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Your best chances are with PF-tek for sure.  You will likely be OK.  Some preventive measures can help.  Swab the walls with 10% bleach [shouldn't screw up the existing paint job *too* much].  Vacuum like you've never vacuumed before [furniture as well], run an air-purifier regularly. 
The regular PF tek might work without any such efforts. . .only one way to find out :wink:


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Re: old appartment with mold on wall? [Re: Suntzu]
    #2959637 - 08/03/04 11:26 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

hehehe i guess that's true :smile:

as far as air purifiers and tents and what not... not enough space/money for that kind of stuff right now
though most likley i'll have a chance to sterelise in an autoclave!!!
and maybe even innoculate in a lab space!
so i am only worried about the print and the grow space...

it's probably a good idea to make the tarriume ventilated via a filter right... but then i have to open it some time anyway so i'm not sure it's worth it (and i know i wont be able to open it seldome enough being that this will be my first grow...)
i'll think about it... still got some time till the prints arrive and then untill the cakes are fully colonized (that's about two months so no worries for now :smile: )


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Re: old appartment with mold on wall? [Re: Simisu]
    #2960822 - 08/03/04 05:31 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Just to let you and your friend know, if you are moving into an apartment (or house), with mold on the walls, in most places, the landlord is REQUIRED to eliminate the mold, before renting the place out. Mold on the walls is considered a health-risk problem. A buddy of mine had mold/mildew growing on his walls, and when his landlord found out, she immediately offered him a new house for rent.

Also, painting will only TEMPORARILY cover up the problem. (However, there are some paints/sealers that claim to do better than others.)
But still, the mold will eventually make its way back to the surface. Bleach also, will only kill the mold that is exposed to the surface, and then it will come back later.

I'm not sure why you'd even consider paying for a place with mold on the walls. That's just disgusting. It's also a risk to your health.
And keep in mind, that those mold spores will float through the air, and make their way to your jars, casings, etc.


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Re: old appartment with mold on wall? [Re: Simisu]
    #2960896 - 08/03/04 05:47 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

That black mold is probably Stachybotrys. They have chemicals in them that are highly toxic and can lead to people getting sick. I've seen pictures where the mold takes over walls and people have to call special specialists to remove it.

If your shrooms become contammed with black mold, it is toxic and it will toxify the shrooms.

Tilex will kill it. This specific mold spreads and spreads untill it dies. When it dies, it releases it's spores by drying and cracking. The spores may grow right on top of thier parents or spread. It is really hard to get rid of, especially when there is alot of it. You could make your landlord pay for it to get clean, but your friend might not like the idea.

I have it in my bathroom we killed almost all of the visable stuff, but it's probably in the walls. Killing the immediate stuff should help alot, pointing a fan out the window for a few minutes before you work is good.

There is also an oven tech, where you heat up your oven enough to make heat rise from it. As long as you do work on the tray right in fron to the oven, the heat will make all the little particles in the air rise up and away from your equipment.


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Re: old appartment with mold on wall? [Re: MAGnum]
    #2960902 - 08/03/04 05:48 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

This site has info on black wall mold.

http://www.startremodeling.com/Mold_Midew_Page.htm

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Re: old appartment with mold on wall? [Re: mycoguy]
    #2961253 - 08/03/04 07:45 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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mycoguy said:
I'm not sure why you'd even consider paying for a place with mold on the walls.  That's just disgusting.




well... for a 22 year old guy that wants to live in an area where lots of young people live its probably the only choice...
and it's not as bad as it sounds... not at all!
actualy the place is quite big and cheap

also i'm not sure things work like that over here in israel...
and i'm pretty sure things like that are not mentioned in his contract
but i guess it's worth checking out the law sometime  :tongue:

in anycase it's his first time living alone i wouldn't expect him to get a deacent place... its all a matter of funds for now  :grin:
(and i'm sure growing mushies was not a criteria when he picked the place!)

with that said... i just hope i'll get him to put some effort on cleaning the place a bit befor we start this grow...
and pray all goes well (i can't complain about anything though... i have no where alse to grow so i'd have to make the best of it!)
i just wanted to know how imperetive it is to avoid this mold/mildew issue


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Re: old appartment with mold on wall? [Re: Simisu]
    #2961288 - 08/03/04 08:00 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

well, the presence of it is bad, but it shouldn't be that bad as long as you are sterile.


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