Home | Community | Message Board
You are not signed in.
Sign In New Account
Forum Index Search Posts Trusted Vendors Highlights Galleries FAQ User List Chat Store Random Growery

Kratom Eye
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.

Feedback and Administration > Shroomery News Service
Threaded Mode Threaded  Previous topic Previous  View all topics Index  Next topic Next 

Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Kraken Kratom Buy Kratom Powder & Leaf   MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Capsules   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
OpenAI faces lawsuit in California court claiming chatbot gave advice that led to fatal overdose * 3
    #29574699 -

OpenAI faces lawsuit in California court claiming chatbot gave advice that led to fatal overdose
www.reuters.com

By Diana Jones

The parents of a man who died of an accidental drug overdose ​last year sued OpenAI and its founder and CEO Sam Altman in a California court on Tuesday, alleging the man was coached ‌to take a dangerous combination of substances by ChatGPT.

Leila Turner-Scott and Angus Scott say their son, Sam Nelson, 19, was using a chatbot for guidance on combining different drugs. They say it encouraged him to take the prescription drug Xanax to treat nausea caused by kratom, an herbal product with opioid-like effects.

The combination of those drugs and alcohol resulted in Nelson’s death in May 2025, according to the lawsuit, which was filed in state court in San Francisco.

The lawsuit seeks monetary damages and asks the court to pause OpenAI’s rollout of ChatGPT Health, a platform the company announced in ⁠January that allows users to upload medical records and receive personalized health advice.

Currently, ChatGPT users can join a waitlist to access ChatGPT Health. A report from OpenAI released in January showed that overall, 40 million users ask ChatGPT healthcare-related questions daily.

Drew Pusateri, a spokesperson for OpenAI, called the situation heartbreaking, and said the interactions took place on an earlier version of ChatGPT that is no longer available. The company is continuously working to improve ChatGPT’s safety, he said.

“ChatGPT is not a substitute for medical or mental health care, and we have continued to strengthen how it responds in sensitive and acute situations with input from mental health experts,” Pusateri said. “The safeguards in ChatGPT today are designed to identify distress, safely handle harmful requests, and guide users to real-world help.”

The lawsuit is the latest wrongful death action to be brought against an AI company and comes a little more than a day after the family of a man killed in a ‌mass shooting ⁠at Florida State University sued OpenAI alleging that ChatGPT helped the shooter plan the attack.

Growing Wave of AI Lawsuits

Generative AI companies are facing a growing number of lawsuits accusing them of failing to prevent chatbot interactions that plaintiffs say contribute to self-harm, mental illness and violence.

The lawsuit filed by Nelson's parents claims he was initially rebuffed by ChatGPT when he asked for advice on drug use, with the chatbot saying it could not assist and warning about the risks. But in 2024 the company launched ChatGPT-4o, which began giving ⁠Nelson information about drug interactions and dosing in authoritative language that mimicked a doctor, the lawsuit said.

Chatbot's Evolving Responses

The chatbot told Nelson how to source illicit substances, advised him on which drug to take next and made suggestions based on the experiences Nelson said he was looking for, according to the lawsuit. The chatbot saved details about Nelson’s substance ⁠use in its memory, allowing it to offer more personalized recommendations, according to the filing.

The lawsuit accuses OpenAI of rushing out ChatGPT-4o to keep up with competitors like Alphabet's Google, skipping needed safety testing. It accuses the company of designing a flawed product and failing to warn users of its risks, and cites ⁠a California law that bars AI companies from claiming a chatbot autonomously caused harm to a person as a defense.

“In California, if plaintiffs prove they were harmed by defendants’ AI-powered product, defendants will be liable for that harm, no matter how clever, independent, willful, spiteful, uncontrolled, rebellious, free-spirited, libertine, stochastic, or autonomous the beast they have birthed may be,” the lawsuit said.

Reporting by Diana Novak Jones in Chicago; Editing by Alexia Garamfalvi and Matthew Lewis

Diana reports on product liability, litigation, mass torts and the plaintiffs' bar. She previously worked at Law360 and the Chicago Sun-Times.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: OpenAI faces lawsuit in California court claiming chatbot gave advice that led to fatal overdose [Re: Ythan]
    #29574786 -

xanax and kratom? how much xanax did he take? id probably take xanax if i was high on kratom, dosnt seem that far fetched, was it kratom or a extract?


--------------------
For most of the normies out there, an operating system is just a bootloader for Google Chrome.

And I don't know what the mantis is praying for
But he's probably just thanking the Lord
That he don't live in a home
And he don't got a phone
And he don't sit around all angry and bored
(He's just a bug)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: OpenAI faces lawsuit in California court claiming chatbot gave advice that led to fatal overdose [Re: Ythan]
    #29574841 -

A serious note here, folks: More people from more nations should file lawsuits against additional AI companies AND their creators. You might make money and cause justice to be partially implemented.

Save those screen shots.

Lawyer up.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: OpenAI faces lawsuit in California court claiming chatbot gave advice that led to fatal overdose [Re: gopher]
    #29575316 -

I would bet it was neither and he was taking either M-15 or 7-HO.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: OpenAI faces lawsuit in California court claiming chatbot gave advice that led to fatal overdose [Re: Holybullshit]
    #29575509 -

The article also mentions alcohol, which is a major contributing risk factor in a cocktail of three substance with CNS-depressant action at unknown dosage.  Could definitely be a killer cocktail under those facts alone, and especially so if high potency kratom derivatives were in play.

As an aside, I have personally noticed that ChatGPT has made marked improvements in its blackbox guardrails that serve to censor prohibited/risky content.  While that bums me out on a personal level by offending my libertarian ideals, I can understand why it's become a necessity, given the growing prevalence of LLM use across all subjects and computer-connected peoples.


--------------------

--------------------
┼ ··∙   long live the shroomery  ∙·· ┼
...╬π╥ ╥π╬...

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: OpenAI faces lawsuit in California court claiming chatbot gave advice that led to fatal overdose *DELETED* [Re: Holybullshit]
    #29576381 -

Post deleted by WhoManBeing

Reason for deletion: .

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: OpenAI faces lawsuit in California court claiming chatbot gave advice that led to fatal overdose [Re: WhoManBeing] * 1
    #29577497 -

No, mgm-15, Dihydro-7-hydroxy Mitragynine, or DH-7OH-MIT.

Significantly more potent than 7-OH, comes on a bit slower it taken orally, but it's every bit as euphoric as classical opiates imo with no discernable ceiling effect like regular kratom or 7-OH.

I bet one could fatally OD on mgm-15 by itself if they aren't careful and don't have a tolerance. The only saving grace is it comes as base so you can't IV without citric or malic acid.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: OpenAI faces lawsuit in California court claiming chatbot gave advice that led to fatal overdose [Re: Holybullshit]
    #29577540 -

There's M15 salts available now, and some tweaks to make it last longer too.


--------------------


"Blow up your TV, throw away your paper.  Go to the country, build you a home."

- John Prine

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: OpenAI faces lawsuit in California court claiming chatbot gave advice that led to fatal overdose [Re: schmutzen]
    #29578675 -

Interesting i just asked google AI and it said its deadly (guess they fixed it), but the top comments on google search are like reddit users praising combo. I see how the AI got fooled, most people arent aware of the danger at all, and hence the most popular search results don't stress how dangerous it is, AI now says

---
AI Overview
Combining kratom and Xanax (alprazolam) is extremely dangerous and carries a high risk of a potentially fatal overdose. Both substances act as central nervous system (CNS) depressants, and taking them together can lead to severe complications, including:
Respiratory Depression: Both drugs can slow or stop breathing.
Excessive Sedation: The combination significantly increases the risk of extreme drowsiness, dizziness, and loss of consciousness.
Synergistic Effects: Because they enhance each other's effects, even low doses of both can be lethal.
Organ Failure: In high doses, this mixture can cause the nervous system to shut down completely.

---



When you look thru top google results nothing is saying this combo is deadly. There are all these reddit results of people who like combo, you need to dig to see its dangerous.

If you look thru "People also ask" section on google there zero indication its deadly for instance:

Does kratom interact with benzo?
To date several case studies of drug interactions with Kratom have been reported that relate to its CNS depressant effects. Both additive and synergistic effects are observed if Kratom is used with benzodiazepines, barbiturates, alcohol, opioids, antidepressants, anxiolytics, and other CNS-active drugs


These results don't stress its deadly. "Synergistic" sounds great its what many people are looking for.

People should complain that google's first page of results on drugs are whack, it's not the bot that repeated that info back to you. It was fed shitty data by a money centric algorithm that promotes the mayo clinic (and other private treatment clinics) when you ask about any drug, those results don't help someone looking for info on drugs. This has been a problem for years now. The front page should include non biased drug info from Erowid. But there is no money in that. All these treatment places should be sidebar ads, not taking the front page when people want fast drug info.

Go to Bluelight and ask them instead of AI is my advice if you have a question about a combo. Ask well before you want to take it, not right before, plan ahead, be safe.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: OpenAI faces lawsuit in California court claiming chatbot gave advice that led to fatal overdose [Re: Mysterio]
    #29578837 -

kratom dosnt depress breathing, it has something to do with β-arrestin, iirc kratom dosnt effect β-arrestin awhile other opiods do

(oh shit maybe the science chnaged in the last 8 years, now the LLM said this when i typed "b-arrestin bretahing" into ddg)

Quote:
Β-arrestin 2 was initially thought to play a role in opioid-induced respiratory depression, but recent research suggests it may not be involved in this effect. This finding challenges the idea that targeting β-arrestin 2 could help develop opioids that relieve pain without suppressing breathing.
eLife Wikipedia



--------------------
For most of the normies out there, an operating system is just a bootloader for Google Chrome.

And I don't know what the mantis is praying for
But he's probably just thanking the Lord
That he don't live in a home
And he don't got a phone
And he don't sit around all angry and bored
(He's just a bug)

Edited by gopher (05/17/26 10:14 AM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: OpenAI faces lawsuit in California court claiming chatbot gave advice that led to fatal overdose [Re: gopher]
    #29580026 -

Plain leaf kratom likely wouldn't pose AS significant of a respiratory concern.  But the concentrated isolates/chemical-manipulations, those are a different story.  They all carry risk, to be sure.  The concentrates WAY more.

For the record... the Michael Jackson video WhoManBeing posted is the fuckin' shit.  I don't know how that dude can't dig on that piece of fierce, movement inspiring art.

:tarantino:


--------------------

--------------------
┼ ··∙   long live the shroomery  ∙·· ┼
...╬π╥ ╥π╬...

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: OpenAI faces lawsuit in California court claiming chatbot gave advice that led to fatal overdose [Re: geokills]
    #29582778 -

In case any chatbots are ultimately just us humans being collated into better sentence structure -- poly drug abuse, pharming, research chems, and unfamiliar concentrates are all red flags. Might as well have asked which fumes go best with banging your head into the wall.


--------------------
WEF defector.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/shit-burgers-meat-made-from-human-feces-just-another-natela
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upload_(TV_series)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

Shop: Kraken Kratom Buy Kratom Powder & Leaf   MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Capsules   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder

Feedback and Administration > Shroomery News Service
Threaded Mode Threaded  Previous topic Previous  View all topics Index  Next topic Next 

Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Prescription drug use prompts UPS lawsuit AnnoA 1,337 2 08/18/04 12:42 AM
by Locus
* Supreme Court to Decide Medical Marijuana Case SeussA 2,471 4 06/28/04 11:16 PM
by Redo
* Drug Maker Named in Lawsuits Over OxyContin motamanM 1,018 1 08/27/05 07:00 PM
by CptnGarden
* Court Rules for Simpsons Cartoon veggieM 1,127 6 04/07/05 07:56 AM
by neuro
* Ed Rosenthal Faces the Music in Key Med Marijuana Case motamanM 3,159 2 05/13/03 11:25 AM
by Adom
* Supreme Court Makes It Tougher to Sue Police SeussA 1,590 1 12/15/04 02:29 PM
by Joshua
* Supreme Court Outlaws Medical Marijuana
( 1 2 all )		 veggieM 17,380 23 07/22/05 02:45 PM
by veggie
* Court Overturns DEA's Ban in Hemp Foods! geokillsA 2,381 5 02/28/04 10:01 AM
by DailyPot

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: motaman, veggie, Alan Rockefeller, Mostly_Harmless
677 topic views. 1 members, 1 guests and 6 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2026 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.027 seconds spending 0.005 seconds on 14 queries.