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Here is a question
    #2955804 - 08/02/04 12:35 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

please dont look at it like a troll because thats not what it is
I asked the same question in OTD last night in a conversation
with another user and never got an answer, the thread appears
to have been deleted, maybe because of the initial content


so here goes.

Why does a little bad talk of Jerry Garcia evoke such hatred and
rage from teh peace loving 'hippies', what about his life was so
important that makes people that promote peace love and happiness
to go on a rampage, Dont we all believe in free speech and thought
dont we all believe that everyone is entitled to have their own
opinion?

Does Miles Davis, Jimmy Hendrix, Janis Joplin or Jim Morrison
evoke the same sentiment of hate, do people hate those that
bad mouth The Great Satchmo, Louis Armstrong... these people
are all musicians just as Jerry Garcia was, they are all deceased
the same as Jerry... but I've never seen anyone flame people over
bad mouthing them.

I see fewer flames regarding trash talk of Mother Theresa, a woman
that dedicated her life to helping the poor people in this world,
what did Jerry do other than make music? Did he will his estate
to the homeless or maybe he went to feed the hungry children, what
has he dont that was such a great accomplishment that warrants
a behavior that is inconsistant with the message that he was trying
to deliver... Why have so many decided that hate regarding his life
is more important than showing the love and patience that Jerry would
have wanted... Why does the other guys opinion really matter so much
as to enfuriate everyone. What were his great achievements other than
music.

Flame if you want, leave a bad rating if you will but I would really
like to understand why so many stray from the principles that we all
belive to be important based on a few words that you may not like
regardless of whether you agree with them... I was raised to believe
that everyones opinion is important regardless of whether if meshes
with my own, it's through the differences that we can learn to grow
and understand our fellow man... Thanks for your time and your views


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Re: Here is a question [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #2955842 - 08/02/04 12:42 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I've never flamed anyone who says bad things about Jerry.  I just feel sorry for them and/or ignore them, because THEY DON'T KNOW- they never got to experience the NIRVANA that Jerry brought us.

Jerry took us on amazing journeys, he was inspired, enlightened- his guitar was the voice of the angels, and the voice of the demons....he played the most beautiful music I have ever heard, and I was right there, my body moving with every note he played- with him. He was in touch with the greater cosmic powers and shared it with anyone who would listen.  It was addicting. Jerry was so much to so many of us. 

I still miss him dearly and think of him often.  He touched me deeply.  I really love that man. :smile:

And yes, the Dead were always involved in a lot of charities:

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Unbroken Chain foundation is committed to supporting the long-standing tradition of community service that has been the hallmark of the remarkable four-decade relationship between the Grateful Dead and its audience.
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Furthur Foundation
For a decade, Furthur Foundation has been giving money to progressive groups working on environmental and social change issues in the Bay Area and around the world. We focus on smart-thinking groups that are small and close to their target - groups that know their business, share our politics, and spend the money carefully, without a lot of bells and whistles, overhead, and wasted effort....
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Re: Here is a question [Re: Phishgrrl]
    #2955912 - 08/02/04 12:54 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I find that people, when they haven't experienced something many others have, tend to be fairly ass-like towards such a thing. Jerry is a great example of that. Sometimes people just don't get things because... well they just don't get em. And when somebody doens't understand something that others around them do they'll become a tad insecure, and insecurity potentially spawns hatred towards that which has made them insecure in order to balance the scale for themselves.

Its a simple matter of either feeling like they're fitting in, or feeling like they're being left out.... most undoubtedly subconsciously. Its a difficult thing to control in any situation, but the result is almost always hatred.


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Re: Here is a question [Re: Phishgrrl]
    #2955934 - 08/02/04 01:01 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Phishgrrl said:
I've never flamed anyone who says bad things about Jerry.  I just feel sorry for them and/or ignore them, because THEY DON'T KNOW- they never got to experience the NIRVANA that Jerry brought us.

Jerry took us on amazing journeys, he was inspired, enlightened- his guitar was the voice of the angels, and the voice of the demons....he played the most beautiful music I have ever heard, and I was right there, my body moving with every note he played- with him. He was in touch with the greater cosmic powers and shared it with anyone who would listen.  It was addicting. Jerry was so much to so many of us. 





I've been to several of the Dead shows and have listened to his music throughout my life, there is no question that he is quite the tallented man and aparently also a generous individual, for that there are many more appreciative people but I have never felt that he was anything more than a musician, I have never 'felt' the music that they make... sadly I am a product of the hippy generation and still see it as nothing more than good music from very tallented musicians, really not somethign to get bent out of shape about like so many people seem to do...

I'm glad to see that someone has managed to find something in his music and aparenttly has also discovered the message behind so much of it... :thumbup:


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Re: Here is a question [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #2955937 - 08/02/04 01:02 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Uppity fanatics piss me orff. Were people really getting pissed because someone spelled a band members name wrong? Christ on a stick!


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Re: Here is a question [Re: Edge]
    #2955972 - 08/02/04 01:17 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Edge said:
I find that people, when they haven't experienced something many others have, tend to be fairly ass-like towards such a thing. Jerry is a great example of that.




I've listened for many years to the music of the Greatful Dead, I have enjoyed much of what they have produced but I have found little to say could be 'experienced'... I've seen them live both sober and on a variety of intoxicants and have still seen nothing more than a good band

Quote:

Sometimes people just don't get things because... well they just don't get em.




whats to get... it's music, you either like it, love it or you dont.


Quote:

And when somebody doens't understand something that others around them do they'll become a tad insecure, and insecurity potentially spawns hatred towards that which has made them insecure in order to balance the scale for themselves.




would this hold true for all the people that flame someone based on their opinions of the Greatful Dead, some dont understand how another can possibly like the Dead and so they show their own insecurities by flaming those that speak against them... would it mean that they are all about being a part of the scene but have no idea what the message is.

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Its a difficult thing to control in any situation, but the result is almost always hatred.




I once thought this way, I discovered that many people can try and anger me but I am the only one that can allow that anger to take hold and I am the only one that can show or express that anger... I have no place in my life for hatred of any one especialy based on an opinion... I can see having a disagreemenr and even a heated debate or arguement if you will but in the end it is the individual that has the control of themselves... is there really anything to be angry about when its simply a difference of opinion


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Re: Here is a question [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #2955977 - 08/02/04 01:20 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not even a Dead fan (yet! someone's gotta hook me up with the good stuff) but it seems clear to me that the bond between Jerry and fan is, for lack of a better word...psychedelic. I mean, it's like the connection you form with someone when you're tripping your face off with them...that is unbelievably strong..
I dunno.


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Re: Here is a question [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #2955981 - 08/02/04 01:20 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

"sadly I am a product of the hippy generation and still see it as nothing more than good music from very tallented musicians, really not somethign to get bent out of shape about like so many people seem to do..."


Why do you say "sadly" man?  :crazy:


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Re: Here is a question [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #2955985 - 08/02/04 01:21 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I respect that....different strokes for different folks....

I'm glad you got to go to shows and enjoyed their talent and the music. :heart:


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Re: Here is a question [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #2955992 - 08/02/04 01:25 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

rogue_pixie said:
Uppity fanatics piss me orff. Were people really getting pissed because someone spelled a band members name wrong? Christ on a stick!




it actualy seems to be an ongoing thing... express a different opinion than the majority and recieve bad rates or general hatred.... I'm sure that in the instance you speak of that there was some stupidity involved but I havent read that thread

I actualy am asking based on what I've seen in real life as well as here in the past...


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Re: Here is a question [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #2955998 - 08/02/04 01:28 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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"sadly I am a product of the hippy generation and still see it as nothing more than good music from very tallented musicians, really not somethign to get bent out of shape about like so many people seem to do..."


Why do you say "sadly" man?  :crazy:




I knew there would be a little misinterpretation... the sadly part is that I dont feel that connection to the music that so many people do... I enjoy it and always have... I'm proud to be a reminant of the era because it was the thoughts, ideals and teachings that helped me to form all of what I believe today.


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Re: Here is a question [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #2956012 - 08/02/04 01:33 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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OneMoreRobot3021 said:
I'm not even a Dead fan (yet! someone's gotta hook me up with the good stuff) but it seems clear to me that the bond between Jerry and fan is, for lack of a better word...psychedelic. I mean, it's like the connection you form with someone when you're tripping your face off with them...that is unbelievably strong..
I dunno.




you are missing a great genre of music... there are so many wonderful songs that they have done many with a great deal of underlying meaning to many people, but the discription I would give of some of the fans is 'fanatical', much like an extremeist that feels the need to kill thousand because they dont share the vision that he does... this holds true for only a few of the fans... most are well balanced individuals and understand that the music isnt for everyone...


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Re: Here is a question [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #2956045 - 08/02/04 01:41 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Just after i sent that post out, as my monitor was fading, i had a thought that was what you had intended to say, well no matter, hippie,post hippie era or Raver kid, it's always a GR8 time to be alive :smile:


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Re: Here is a question [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #2956087 - 08/02/04 01:55 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I only have 1 thing to say and its this....
Geordi Sucks  :smile: :thumbup: :heart:


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Re: Here is a question [Re: OldSpice]
    #2956198 - 08/02/04 02:30 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i dont think its so much because some one sais "jerry sucks" or "yay phish broke up"
its cus often times they come into the pub to post it just to get everyone all pissed off


and yeah geordi sucks


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Re: Here is a question [Re: OldSpice]
    #2956201 - 08/02/04 02:31 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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I only have 1 thing to say and its this....
Geordi Sucks  :smile: :thumbup: :heart:




hush up you fanatical fundamentalist extremeist  :grin:  :sun:


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Re: Here is a question [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #2956438 - 08/02/04 03:20 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The answer to this question is.......







Hippies = hate


They're worse then animal extremists...although most hippies are anyway...

My next thread should be Jerry Garcia died from choking on dog meat while having sex with a 12 year old girl in Thailand


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Re: Here is a question [Re: Geordi_La_Forge]
    #2956510 - 08/02/04 03:38 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Hippies = hate
They're worse then animal extremists...although most hippies are anyway...





most animal rights terrorists are hippies or punks...


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Re: Here is a question [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #2956531 - 08/02/04 03:43 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Exactly, they try to make people believe they're full of love....but the love they show is really just hate...hatred for anyone that thinks differently then they do. They kind of remind of Al Qaeda....Talk shit on Osama (Jerry) and the next thing you know you're got an army of extremists looking to start a jihad (peace, love and unity festival)


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Re: Here is a question [Re: Geordi_La_Forge]
    #2956543 - 08/02/04 03:45 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

:heart: :grin:


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