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 Re: Detection  [Re: Seuss]
#2967430 - 08/05/04 10:26 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just because a dog can smell mycelium, does not mean that the dog can tell the difference between a legal species of mycelium and an illegal species of mycelium.
That's true, but that doesn't apply to Australia, given the strict policy to keep out ag diseases where the fines are monumental. The same applies to the folks in New Zealand too. Both are island nations seeking to keep a biological integrity.
For example, if you've just landed at Tullamarine International airport Melbourne and you've bought back agar plates or zip bags with mycelium and they're oysters or shiitake and you don't declare them, you'll be prosecuted for breaching quarantine. More than likely they'll be found because the dogs are trained to smell for them and plastic doesn't block odours, which explains why vacuumed bags seldom fool dogs. Generally speaking, the quarantine dogs have a 90% hit rate. Besides, they also have x-ray machines, where the baggage goes through, and glass sealed jars that dogs mightn't smell would still show on the console screens, as readily as plastic bags and agar plates. From there customs will nab it, you'll be detained with your details taken and after much ado off it goes to the quarantine boys. I'm not saying you can't smuggle but you're chances of success are low and the fines steep. The dogs are hard to beat.
All up, all mushrooms, in cans, in jars, in bags, cooked or dried, including spores and mycelium are banned unless cleared by AQIS and most times they'll get binned if you do declare them -- despite the fact that cultures are sterile. One well known shroomery member from downunder has had the experience with AQIS confiscations and destructions of agar plates, and needless to say the interception would have been by the quarantine dogs trained to smell mushrooms. Gets worse, they'll verify the genera too (as that's par the course of their investigative policy) and if it's an "active" then you'll have customs/police on your butt to boot. They'll even verify the species of spores in seized syringes, which is why anything more than an incoming print as an envelope in the mail is begging grief.
Bottom line, if you order in "active" cultures you're likely to get a nasty AQIS letter asking you to contest their decision of confiscation and destruction. If you foolishly write back, well you'll go down for effectively admitting you're the recipient who actually bought them into the country and from there the cops will be on your door. Aussies should always use an alias recipient name and never contest on what's intercepted.
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If the dog cannot tell the difference, the the LEO cannot use the dog for probable cause.
I don't think this "difference" would break the "probable cause" in the eyes of the law. Now given the police in Australia have no dogs trained to smell for mushrooms/mycelium, where as AQIS does, then this blurb below is a hypothetical. However, that's not to say the police couldn't call in AQIS dogs for an investigation if deemed necessary.
If the dog was to hit on jars of mycelium (and we're entertaining they have polyfil/tyvek so odour is leaking out of them rather than sealed) then the LEO would have the jars in question. From there it would be up to the police to verify the legality of the genera -- if they couldn't squeeze an admission out of you. To verify they'd simply call in a mycologist, same as they do botanists with seized 'Cannabis plant evidence' (because police are not deemed expert enough in plant identification and I personally know of one mull grower who got off on that technicality).
Bottom line, the fact that the police would be at a premises with a drug dog is already yonder "probable cause", hence their search warrant authorising the drug raid was issued by a magistrate. True, after they've pulled apart your "legal mushroom grow" (if it was of a legal genera?) then you can make an official complaint. In vehicle searches, they can do so without a warrant and often times the police execute routine highway "random drug searches" which are similar to DUI patrol stops, but instead they have drug dogs sniffing past all the queued cars/trucks. No "probable cause" in that, just random sweeps and they hold up in court on the folks they nick.
That's how it works in Australia, and since many drug raids involve dogs it's possible (though extremely unlikely) they'd deploy the use of mushroom trained dogs (given AQIS already does). Much would pend whether illegal genera mushroom cultivation takes off like it has in the US, coupled too with the funding to train such dogs. I doubt it would happen given heroin, cocaine, amphetamines, MDMA and Cannabis are deemed their primary targets of contraband, with budgets set for dogs trained to detect them.
The US is obviously a lot different, esp. in quarantine and customs. They're very tough in Australia and the game play is different.
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Re: Detection [Re: Starter]
#3024169 - 08/19/04 03:22 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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guys, if they trained dogs to sniff out mushrooms the dogs would go crazy. mushrooms are EVERYWHERE!
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Re: Detection [Re: Cyber]
#3032074 - 08/21/04 10:05 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cyber said:
Drugs that dogs are trained on.
Marijuana, Hashish, Powder Cocaine, Crack, Methamphetamine, Ecstasy, Heroin, LSD, Oxicotin, Special K, GHB, Zanx
I wish I could smell all those like a dog.
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Re: Detection [Re: Cyber]
#3057199 - 08/27/04 08:17 AM (20 years, 28 days ago) |
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Cyber said:
Drugs that dogs are trained on.
Marijuana, Hashish, Powder Cocaine, Crack, Methamphetamine, Ecstasy, Heroin, LSD, Oxicotin, Special K, GHB, Zanx
From Cross Creek Training Academy Inc.
http://www.cctapolicek9.com/training_detection.asp
The Info is out there if you look!
Zanx  xanax ... someone at CCTA, Inc. can't spell  Also, I'm suprised that they refer to ketamine by one of it's street names.
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Re: Detection [Re: grib]
#3958054 - 03/23/05 06:00 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also? WTH would they train a dog to smell Xanax anyway? Stupid. I have Xanax with me every time I fly because airports make me anxious because TOO MANY damn people.
I think that article is bullshit.
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