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Magash
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Ok, let me run this past you guys.
#2955350 - 08/02/04 07:56 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Now I like to use these containers to make casings in Now here is the thing.These containers are just fine going in the pc. Have done it a million times. Now why the hell am I using quart jars? Doesn't it make sence to soak, simmer, then just load the grain into the tubs and then pc it bypassing the jar. They have a airtight lid that you can use attach a tyvek filter to or even easier use polyfil. You can still shake and everything like normal but when the grain is colonized just throw on the casing layer without having to scoop it out of the jars. Just seems like it would save a ton of time.
(The following post was done while smoking lots of blueberry buds. Remember this is how I came up with the poorman's pod )
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Magash]
#2955361 - 08/02/04 08:03 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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You know I tried something like that with plastic containers and here is what happened to me.
everything was good except when ever i moved the damn things the plastic sides would push in and out acting like a billows and pulling air in. No matter how good I thought I had it sealed up almost everyone of them failed.
I worked ar it a number of times with no luck
But you will figure it out and let us know how you did it!!!!
I got faith in you
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Fucknuckle]
#2955381 - 08/02/04 08:17 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Little secret, I never post unless I already have. I had the same thing happen with some other containers. I use the glad ones cause they come out of the pc just like normal. Most any plastic with the number 5 in a triangle will work.
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Magash]
#2955431 - 08/02/04 08:39 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cool you sly devil you !! The idea of using those containers would save a few steps. Excellent magash, will find plastic # 5 then Thanks I thought the problem might be the type of plastic , just didn't pursue it long enough.
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Magash]
#2955504 - 08/02/04 09:11 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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great idea magash! three questions though...... exact size please? cost? where from? thanks magash!
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: mycopsycho]
#2955557 - 08/02/04 09:26 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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are you using grain? how much of that per container?
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: seethe303]
#2955574 - 08/02/04 09:31 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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i'm guessing he used rye or millet
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: seethe303]
#2955725 - 08/02/04 10:18 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Rye, one quart jars worth. There just the normal glad tubs from the grocery.
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Magash]
#2955738 - 08/02/04 10:20 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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time to go shopping, geez i can even fit those in a PMP.
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: mycopsycho]
#2955753 - 08/02/04 10:25 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Come on, Myco. How many times has Magash told us he does his shopping at K-mart??
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Nazrula]
#2955761 - 08/02/04 10:26 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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i only hear the word k-mart when he talks about martha, i could however be wrong
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: mycopsycho]
#2955820 - 08/02/04 10:38 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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do u poke holes throw the lid .or simply take it off and inject?
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Magash]
#2955904 - 08/02/04 10:53 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm glad I read this before I got 5 or 6 doz. Qt. jars more Magash you are going to have to do a tek on this.Bet you already started.
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: botanisthype]
#2955911 - 08/02/04 10:54 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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If I was a betting man I'd say he injects through the polyfill/Tyvek
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Magash]
#2955949 - 08/02/04 11:08 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've got 1 litre Pyrex jars, I will just add a casing layer to em! (as the are 100% col. - wbs)They have 1 inch spare of room on top.
Exactly the same thing with a different tub! Thanks for the time saving idea!
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Magash]
#2957128 - 08/02/04 04:02 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Magash, how do you ensure that the surface pins evenly?
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Magash]
#2957323 - 08/02/04 05:00 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good idea ,Magash!
I was always kinda worried that the seal would be a little loose after they came out of the pc. Guess I was wrong!
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Nazrula]
#2957545 - 08/02/04 06:06 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yep. threw the tyvek just like a jar. Other then being in the tub I treat em just like they are in the jar.
Oh oh oh, I forgot. I like to use a bottom casing layer add that before putting in the grain if you use one too.
As far as pinning I treat it like anyother casing.
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Magash]
#2958144 - 08/02/04 09:39 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why dont you do it? I have already done this, and it was totaly done out of lazyness.After a night of preparing jars, I made a "medely" of birdseed,rye berries, and even some BRF into a container about 1/2 the size of that. Added some tyvek that I got over at the USPS, PCed, took it out innoced, and then let go. Worked fine. Cased with a Coir Coir casing. The only problem was just wrapping some duct tape making it dark on the bottom and sides of the container. I even thought of adding a self-healing injection site at the sides of the container. Never got around to it (bong hits). Made me think of one of those "kits" you can buy. If you do it, more power to you!
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Magash]
#2958172 - 08/02/04 09:50 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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i tried to case some colonised jars of popcorn directly in the jar, the casing layer never colonised. i suspect its because the mycel needs to be stimulated into growing into the casing layer by being broken up.
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Psychoslut]
#2959045 - 08/03/04 03:59 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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no, i don't think thats why
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Psychoslut]
#2959898 - 08/03/04 10:49 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Psychoslut said: i tried to case some colonised jars of popcorn directly in the jar, the casing layer never colonised. i suspect its because the mycel needs to be stimulated into growing into the casing layer by being broken up.
Is that that right anyone ?
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: JaRRn]
#2960029 - 08/03/04 11:51 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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If it was true then dunk and roll cakes would never work.
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Magash]
#2960175 - 08/03/04 12:54 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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The ziplock brand 8oz containers work well also, I used a few as a test because I wanted to get started and I was having trouble finding the right jars for PF Tek. I PC'd them and no problem at all. Not sure if they're #5 type but they didn't melt or anything, I did them for one hour in the PC even. Clear, round, with blue tops. Probably said something on the box about being microwaveable (good sign it's high-temp capable plastic). And no slow warmup needed, they won't shatter like glass. Got mine at the grocery store. Used four holes in the lid, no polyfilter or tyvek. I have not noticed any issue with the "billows" problem noted above, but these round ones have sort of ribbed sides so they are pretty stiff - not sure about the rectangulars of the same brand.
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Spudz76]
#2960273 - 08/03/04 01:29 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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>Probably said something on the box about being microwaveable (good sign it's high-temp capable plastic).
Good call Spudz
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Magash]
#2961010 - 08/03/04 04:18 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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is that a b+ cake magash?
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: mycopsycho]
#2961086 - 08/03/04 04:42 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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South American
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Magash]
#2961097 - 08/03/04 04:44 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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well, it still looks yummy.
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: mycopsycho]
#2961102 - 08/03/04 04:45 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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South American is a very under rated strain. I very highly suggest people give that strain a try.
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Magash]
#2961139 - 08/03/04 04:58 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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i would if i had some but i don't so i won't
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: mycopsycho]
#2962696 - 08/04/04 12:06 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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wait you said YOu put a bottom casing layer in the container-is that done when you drain and pack it in the container with the wbs and then inoc.?or do u take u the colonize portion out and case UNder and over?
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: botanisthype]
#2962817 - 08/04/04 12:52 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Naw, it's done when I add the rye before pc'ing
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Spudz76]
#2971318 - 08/06/04 08:50 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Spudz76 said: The ziplock brand 8oz containers work well also, I used a few as a test because I wanted to get started and I was having trouble finding the right jars for PF Tek. I PC'd them and no problem at all. Not sure if they're #5 type but they didn't melt or anything, I did them for one hour in the PC even. Clear, round, with blue tops. Probably said something on the box about being microwaveable (good sign it's high-temp capable plastic). And no slow warmup needed, they won't shatter like glass. Got mine at the grocery store. Used four holes in the lid, no polyfilter or tyvek. I have not noticed any issue with the "billows" problem noted above, but these round ones have sort of ribbed sides so they are pretty stiff - not sure about the rectangulars of the same brand.
I bought this same ones... in fact, im boiling them right now and plan on innoculating them shortly. They seem like they would work good but I guess we'll find out...
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Magash]
#2971327 - 08/06/04 08:56 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Magash said: Naw, it's done when I add the rye before pc'ing
won't the two layers become mixed up when you shake the container?
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: seethe303]
#2972092 - 08/06/04 01:20 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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good question
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: kilgore_trout]
#2972156 - 08/06/04 01:40 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Since it's just a bottom layer and don't want it colonized like a top layer you can pack it down pretty good. You can't shake really hard but you don't really need to. With just one quart in the container the substrate layer is only about a inch deep.
I also did another few casings where the entire casing was made including the top layer. Now those you couldn't shake and on a few there was some overlay in the corners but man they were nearly contam proof. The only real chance was if the syringe was bad since the entire casing was made before being pc'd. (probably took close to a week longer to finish cause of not shaking)
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Magash]
#2972982 - 08/06/04 05:30 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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bump
wanna keep a good thread up!
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: PsyllyMe]
#2973609 - 08/06/04 08:20 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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mgasah ,what casing do u use?
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: botanisthype]
#2973658 - 08/06/04 08:39 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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usually 75% coir and 25% verm. I changed it around this time to 2 parts coir and 1 part verm.
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Magash]
#2973680 - 08/06/04 08:50 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Keep smoking dude, keep smoking.
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: RuNE]
#2973686 - 08/06/04 08:52 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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the blueberries working!
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: RuNE]
#2981350 - 08/09/04 11:35 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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hey .after you pc your qt jars..would refridgerating them to cool down effect the ratio of the jar. also ,magash You said YOU use qt jars. to soak, do you rinse and wash the jars after soak b4 pc? or do you just toss it back in and pc?oh oh.. ..in the rubbermaid tek that cuts the jar step.... my container doesnt fit in the pc..can i oven or microwave sterilize it?if so how long b4 things start burning?,, ? how mnay people prefer using the oven to inoculate? thanx
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: botanisthype]
#2981563 - 08/09/04 12:31 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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using the oven to innoculate is awesome! considering my house came with an oven and not a flowhood.
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: mycopsycho]
#2983099 - 08/09/04 06:42 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Really? Mine came with a flowhood and not an oven.. I was thinking of returning it but lost the receipt, maybe I should look for it again, I though houses were supposed to come with ovens..damn sales agents with their quick talk..
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: botanisthype]
#2983185 - 08/09/04 06:58 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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can i oven or microwave sterilize it?if so how long b4 things start burning?,, ? how mnay people prefer using the oven to inoculate? thanx
#1 Hopefully you can use the info here without burning anything #2 You can use the oven just fine for innoculating...I do mine as Per the "Baby Hitler Tek"
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: botanisthype]
#3032517 - 08/21/04 12:38 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Questions...I've read all the case teks, and want to use this method. I don't have a pressure cooker, but have lots of the microwavable tupperware containers, and a few jars that might be colonized soon.
1- what would be a good casing for this with just the little red round lava rocks and verm? put say 1" lavarock on bottom, crumble a cake or two on top, then say 1" of verm on top?
2- how do i sterilize? cook empty container for 5 minutes in microwave, then toss in lavarock, cakes, and cover with verm? does the verm need to be sterilized? If so, how?
3- if i don't add a crumbled cake, i can instead add a substrate mix of rice powder, verm and spring water, then poke a couple holes in the top, and innoculate in a couple spots, right? This would all be done after sterilizing the case per step 2.
4- in the case of the crumble cake, do i sit it in the dark until the myc pops up across the top evenly?
5- in the case of the uncolonized substrate, how long should it sit in the incubator? When it's done there, just fridge' it for 24 hours then open the top and sit it in the aquarium?
6- what is tyvek?
Lots of questions...thanks though in advance!
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Magash]
#3032880 - 08/21/04 02:09 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here, look at this: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rt=all&vc=1 1. You only need lava rock or geolite on the bottom of your grow chamber to provide humidity. Instead of sitting cakes on the lavarock you can sit your containers on it. On the bottom of your containers put a small layer of moistened vermiculite, then your substrate. Pressure cook it. Innoculate it,incubate it, throw a casing layer on it (50/50 peat/verm, 60/40 coco coir/verm.) and wait. 2. Buy a pressure cooker i don't know about sterilizing grain in the microwave. Verm. is sterile when u buy it. 3. In either case you leave your containers in the incubator @82-86deg. in the dark until fully colonized, allow a couple weeks anyway...its always a waiting game, u can't label a for sure time on these things. 4. People use tyvek as filters 5. READ MORE
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: atomic1]
#3034400 - 08/21/04 09:25 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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thanks for the answers...
Im still wondering what tyvek is though. Where can one get it, and what kind of material is it?
I'm in germany, and I haven't been able to find peat moss anywhere I think it's called Torf in germany, but still can't find it.
Still curious about microwaving to sterilize the substrate. Anyone try this?
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: myndreach]
#3035108 - 08/22/04 01:22 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Tyvek is a plastic material that seems like paper almost. It's somewhat breathable but water doesn't pass through so it's often used as a contaminate barrier. The easiest place to find it is on US postal service express mail envelopes...they're smooth, flimsy and should say "DuPont Tyvek" right on them. Check Magash' posts, I think he has some photos of what they look like. Edit: well i didn't read your whole post...dunno where you'd find it in Germany. it's commonly used in the construction of houses so maybe a building material store?
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: dustz]
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: myndreach]
#3035152 - 08/22/04 01:41 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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hahahaha
i've never heard of something like that before but it looks like it could work just fine. if you can't find it anywhere else give it try
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Magash]
#3118167 - 09/10/04 11:11 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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how much of a bottom layer is suggested for the glad containers? Also if i am using verm for the bottom layer should I wet it before I put grain ontop and PC?
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Spudz76]
#3118771 - 09/10/04 01:42 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Spudz76 said: The ziplock brand 8oz containers work well also, I used a few as a test because I wanted to get started and I was having trouble finding the right jars for PF Tek. I PC'd them and no problem at all. Not sure if they're #5 type but they didn't melt or anything, I did them for one hour in the PC even. Clear, round, with blue tops. Probably said something on the box about being microwaveable (good sign it's high-temp capable plastic). And no slow warmup needed, they won't shatter like glass. Got mine at the grocery store. Used four holes in the lid, no polyfilter or tyvek. I have not noticed any issue with the "billows" problem noted above, but these round ones have sort of ribbed sides so they are pretty stiff - not sure about the rectangulars of the same brand.
Yeah Spudz, I actually use some of those to carry my lunch to work sometimes.. I checked them out and they are #5... as a matter of fact, all the ziplock containers I own are #5, and I have a large collection. I have some of the square ones... The tall ones would probably suck stuff in if you weren't careful... just grab all Ziplocks by the bottom. I really like how the shorter ones have measurment marks on the sides... I think i'm going to case in the shorter ones when my jars afe finished here in a few weeks. Just make sure you either spray paint them or something to get rid of the clear sides so they don't pin.
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: myndreach]
#3119517 - 09/10/04 05:09 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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myndreach said: Im still wondering what tyvek is though. Where can one get it, and what kind of material is it?
Tyvek is "Spunbonded Olefin". Try ordering some online.
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: fastfred]
#3119770 - 09/10/04 06:20 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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"ziplock brand.....8oz glad ones.....any plastic with the number 5 in a triangle will work............"
*runs to store*
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Magash]
#3119812 - 09/10/04 06:31 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quick question...how would you innoculate these containers? Taking the lid off ruins the whole point, but if you don't take the lid off how would you get your needles into the substrate? Could you just drip the spore solution on the top of the stuff?
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With the one the dude just got, he was able to put a peice of aluminum foil under the lid and made two small holes in the lide with a knife. You can cover these with tape or whatever, but you will be able to get a syringe in there and then poke through the foil.
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I just poked four holes in the lid just like PF jars, with a small nail (a 'brad' if you want to be technical, like for hanging pictures and stuff). Worked fine, less hammering than metal (you can just push through by hand, really easy, don't stab yourself though). Taped them with scotch tape for the trip through the PC, though I did get some suck-in when I inoculated but still no baddies got in. Mostly since I pierced the tape with the syringe needle, it just sucked in the inoculant rather than lots of air.
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Magash]
#3121583 - 09/11/04 08:06 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Magash -
First - you rock. My shroom output has increased tremendously and contams have become a non-factor ever since I started using your poor mans pod. Thanks a lot for that.
On to this bit with the plastic tubs. I'm sorry if I'm being dense here, but I'm missing something on the lids. How exactly are you doing them? I'm hearing something about platic airtight lids, but also tyvek. How's that work? What's it look like?
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: jimsuzo]
#3122327 - 09/11/04 12:50 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yep, just want to give verification that this works well. Found a number 5 ziploc tub in dude's cabinet and ran it through the PC full of prepped rye.
I guess he shouldn't be suprised, but maybe subconciously he thought it was going to melt or something.
How do they make plastic so heat proof?
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: jimsuzo]
#3123748 - 09/11/04 08:39 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have two holes for air that are covered with tyvek then I have two others that I inoc threw, at first they have a tyvek cover then I inoc then cover with a band aid. For this poly would be much easier but I didn't have any around and have a few thousand tyvek disks around.
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: ricelicker]
#3123798 - 09/11/04 08:57 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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ricelicker said: How do they make plastic so heat proof?
Mostly it's all in the formulation of the plastic. Note how much plastic is used on and near a car's engine (especially nowadays), and it don't melt. The #5 (HDPE? I think) type means it's of a formula that resists heat up to like 300F or more. The "HD" part of the acronym means "high density" so it's just plain more solid to begin with which probably has something to do with it.
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: ricelicker]
#3123853 - 09/11/04 09:14 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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ricelicker said: How do they make plastic so heat proof?
different polymer compounds, they are just heat resistant, HDPE/PP and Poly Propylene are generaly used for higher temp applications, Polymethylpentene is more suitable for the heat but is far more costly...
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#3123878 - 09/11/04 09:23 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just saw this thread for the first time a few minutes ago, this is excellent news. These things are cheap, more available then jars, more disposable, less fragile, etc. etc. This is like finding the PF Tek all over, or at least it is to me. Great find man. Keep smoking that bud.
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: ImOver18]
#3123915 - 09/11/04 09:37 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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when you see a tek by Magash you just gotta try it ... kramer has a couple in the pc right now!
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You should tell Kramer to take pics of how that goes. I kinda wanna see a grow with one of these now.
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: ImOver18]
#3125501 - 09/12/04 09:28 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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a friend found these pics on a computer at a library, no idea whose they are. PC'd and ready to be innoculated. some early growth. almost 100%
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Magash]
#3149504 - 09/17/04 06:07 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Couple questions about using these containers,
For the shorter ones (the ones with the measurements on the side) how much substrate is used? I mean the equivalent of 1/2 pint jars
Also, would a dry verm layer on top for contam protection be wise?
What are the depths of your bottom and top casing layers and substrate? I figure if the substrate is only an inch deep you wont get very large fruits.
thank you, I am really looking forward to growing again
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: holio1]
#3247367 - 10/12/04 01:09 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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a friend has been using rye PC'd in gladware ala this thread....he has noticed that when the rye is finished colonizing it has pulled away from the sides of the gladware a bit and that after applying the casing layer there is some space between the casing and the gladware and water/myc piss sort of gathers there. is this a problem? if so, what could be done to fix it? thanks...
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Magash]
#3316247 - 11/03/04 06:14 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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How do you attach the Tyvek to the lid of the Glad container. I would think that tape and glue would melt in the PC. Any suggestions?
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: iamgod]
#3316651 - 11/03/04 07:32 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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what about punching a hole in both the cover of the container and a soda bottle cap. then, silicone the bottle cap over the hole in the cover. then stuff with polyfill.
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: xistenz]
#3316687 - 11/03/04 07:38 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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electrical tape works great.
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: seethe303]
#3415163 - 11/27/04 06:23 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was thinking the only reason I wont try this is because my pc holds 4 qt sized jars perfectly. I dont know if I would agree with stacking containers and expecting the ones towards the top to be sterilized properly. I think that being closer to the heat source is a good assurance everything is being done right.
For those of you with huge badass AA PCs. Tight!
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Magash]
#3742637 - 02/06/05 08:59 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Can you post some pic of the setup of the container lids with the tyvek before going to the PC? Or at least describe it better? How deep u fill with water the PC?
This is a breakthrough? This should be in the archives.
Thanxs.
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Magash]
#3837506 - 02/26/05 02:42 PM (19 years, 25 days ago) |
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Has anyone had any success in staking the containers without building some kind of shelf in the PC to support the weight? These may hold up great under the heat but not if you have a few of them sitting on each-other. So in most cases you have to PC the 8 cup ones 1 at a time, even though the PC is tall enough to hold 3.
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: MadHatR]
#3837561 - 02/26/05 02:54 PM (19 years, 25 days ago) |
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thats a good idea and i too have tried that, but i always ran into the problem of steam pressure on the inside building up and popping my lid off, even when i poked holes and attempted to cover them to keep unwanted water out it still couldn't keep the lid on....oh well i don't know.
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: fallingaway24]
#3838085 - 02/26/05 05:03 PM (19 years, 25 days ago) |
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AFOAF went out and found family size tupperware that would stack perfectly three to a cook. But they warp and open up just enough to let contam in. These are the number 5 in the triangle type, they don't melt or anything, but they warp just enough to not work.
He's wondered if it would be worth trying to innoc in flowhood & then try to keep in a sterile bag. But if every cook warps them, it's not going to be cost efficient compared to jars anyway.
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Tantalus]
#3838217 - 02/26/05 05:37 PM (19 years, 25 days ago) |
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magash, that is freakin awesome!
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: laughingbuddha]
#3838507 - 02/26/05 06:37 PM (19 years, 25 days ago) |
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Pretty much any plastic will warp when you stack them. It doesn't take much weight on top of them to push down on it when they are heated up. I to can fit 3 in there perfectly when stacked, but the bottom 2 will always get warped. Other than making some shelves inside out of something like a sheet of plexiglass and some PVC for legs I can't think of any other way more than 1 can be done at a time.
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: MadHatR]
#3838749 - 02/26/05 07:45 PM (19 years, 25 days ago) |
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Magash, do you still use this method? I'm curious to hear your thoughts/input on this several months after the initial epiphany Are there any tips, secrets, bs that you could point to from experience now???
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Magash]
#3838987 - 02/26/05 09:01 PM (19 years, 24 days ago) |
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I've done this using Pyrex containers (5 bucks each at walmart):
After PC'ing, the lids become soft. One even fell off as I pulled the container out of the PC. Duct tape solved this problem.
Here are the pics:
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: smellycat]
#3839010 - 02/26/05 09:09 PM (19 years, 24 days ago) |
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You pressure cook the duck tape? Or just line the edge with it after?
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Tantalus]
#3839019 - 02/26/05 09:13 PM (19 years, 24 days ago) |
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I duct taped the lids on to the Pyrex container. Then I PC. This keeps the lid from coming off when it gets all softie from the heat. The lids have a 1/4" hole stuffed w/ polyfill. Duct taped on the inside is a square of Tyvek, although this may be unneccessary (the polyfill is probably enough by itself).
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: smellycat]
#3839093 - 02/26/05 09:30 PM (19 years, 24 days ago) |
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Wow, I didn't know you could pressure cook duct tape. Maybe I won't return the rest of the tupperware to walmart. lol
You innoc through the polyfill? What kind of success rate have you (or AFOAF) had with this? How many uses do you get out of the tupperwares?
I'm imagining the perfect scenario -- tupperware done this way then mixed maybe 1:2 with pastuerized compost. The easy mixability would mean colonization fast as hell. (AFAOF usually gets his quarts done in 4-5 days for gtg, 5-7 days from spores, b/c he gets it so mixed around to start with.)
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Tantalus]
#3839206 - 02/26/05 09:52 PM (19 years, 24 days ago) |
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Tantalus said: You innoc through the polyfill? What kind of success rate have you (or AFOAF) had with this? How many uses do you get out of the tupperwares?
Yes, just stick the needle through the polyfill/tyvek. Here is the tek where I got the idea: http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/26004
My success rate is actually 0 out of 4. The reason is not the method but the circumstances of the grow. After innoculating 4 of these containers and leaving them in a cupboard, I went on vacation for a month, hoping to return to colonized substrate. Well, I did return to colonized substrate but only about 50% of each container was colonized. I shook all the containers and incubated. The myc. recovered and I shook again...this time it didn't recover. My guess is that the substrate dried out. This happened because I left my containers in a non-humidified and non-incubating environment for a MONTH. That would explain both turtle pace growth and the drying out...
I will try this method again, this time with popcorn (less prone to clumping--had lots of huge chunks w/ the long grain brown rice when I returned to the containers) next week when I get the time. I'll use my new Tub in Tub incubator that I just put together...(my next grow is going to be fun...gonna do my first bulk grow w/ straw/dung, those four pyrex casings, plus lots of pints and quarts for more casings. I've got liquid cultures ready and raring to go, just gotta wait for the new PC to arrive in the mail.)
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: smellycat]
#3839257 - 02/26/05 10:04 PM (19 years, 24 days ago) |
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smellycat said:
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Tantalus said: You innoc through the polyfill? What kind of success rate have you (or AFOAF) had with this? How many uses do you get out of the tupperwares?
Yes, just stick the needle through the polyfill/tyvek. Here is the tek where I got the idea: http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/26004
My success rate is actually 0 out of 4. The reason is not the method but the circumstances of the grow. After innoculating 4 of these containers and leaving them in a cupboard, I went on vacation for a month, hoping to return to colonized substrate. Well, I did return to colonized substrate but only about 50% of each container was colonized. I shook all the containers and incubated. The myc. recovered and I shook again...this time it didn't recover. My guess is that the substrate dried out. This happened because I left my containers in a non-humidified and non-incubating environment for a MONTH. That would explain both turtle pace growth and the drying out...
I will try this method again, this time with popcorn (less prone to clumping--had lots of huge chunks w/ the long grain brown rice when I returned to the containers) next week when I get the time. I'll use my new Tub in Tub incubator that I just put together...(my next grow is going to be fun...gonna do my first bulk grow w/ straw/dung, those four pyrex casings, plus lots of pints and quarts for more casings. I've got liquid cultures ready and raring to go, just gotta wait for the new PC to arrive in the mail.)
AOFAF's experience with popcorn as been that's it's a pretty inferior substrate, that seems to be the general consensus of other's here that have tried it. Spawning it to straw or compost helps, but IMO, why use something inferior when WBS is about the same price and rye is only slightly more?
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smellycat
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Re: Ok, let me run this past you guys. [Re: Tantalus]
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I thought it was good stuff? Fast colonization, easy to shake, etc...
Have others used popcorn and found it to be poopie?
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Tantalus said:
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smellycat said:
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Tantalus said: You innoc through the polyfill? What kind of success rate have you (or AFOAF) had with this? How many uses do you get out of the tupperwares?
Yes, just stick the needle through the polyfill/tyvek. Here is the tek where I got the idea: http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/26004
My success rate is actually 0 out of 4. The reason is not the method but the circumstances of the grow. After innoculating 4 of these containers and leaving them in a cupboard, I went on vacation for a month, hoping to return to colonized substrate. Well, I did return to colonized substrate but only about 50% of each container was colonized. I shook all the containers and incubated. The myc. recovered and I shook again...this time it didn't recover. My guess is that the substrate dried out. This happened because I left my containers in a non-humidified and non-incubating environment for a MONTH. That would explain both turtle pace growth and the drying out...
I will try this method again, this time with popcorn (less prone to clumping--had lots of huge chunks w/ the long grain brown rice when I returned to the containers) next week when I get the time. I'll use my new Tub in Tub incubator that I just put together...(my next grow is going to be fun...gonna do my first bulk grow w/ straw/dung, those four pyrex casings, plus lots of pints and quarts for more casings. I've got liquid cultures ready and raring to go, just gotta wait for the new PC to arrive in the mail.)
AOFAF's experience with popcorn as been that's it's a pretty inferior substrate, that seems to be the general consensus of other's here that have tried it. Spawning it to straw or compost helps, but IMO, why use something inferior when WBS is about the same price and rye is only slightly more?
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