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limiting damage done while picking?
    #2954945 - 08/02/04 04:30 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Im curious how harmfull picking mushrooms is.  i'll admit i dotn fully understand mushrooms, so sorry for the ignorant q.  so if you pick all the "fruit" off and just leave teh mycelium i am asuuming it will just shoot more up.  but i dont know.  does this actually harm the fungi?  is there ways of picking to reduce risk of killing it? 

if its too stupid just delete.  sorry for the nooby'ness.  :blush: :mushroom2:


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Re: limiting damage done while picking? [Re: kadakuda]
    #2955476 - 08/02/04 11:04 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It's probably best to snip the shrewms with a pair of scissors at the base, its good karma.


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Re: limiting damage done while picking? [Re: kadakuda]
    #2956139 - 08/02/04 02:16 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

There haven't been many scientific studies on the topic. The one I'm aware of demonstrated no difference between pulling up the mushrooms and cutting them off (they studied chanterelles).

The important thing is to not damage habitat. Remember that the main body of the fungus is in the soil (wood, whatever, ...) under the base of the mushroom. If you damage the habitat, then you will definitely damage the fungus.

If you pick the apples from an apple tree, it doesn't hurt the tree. Cutting them off doesn't seem to be better or worse. There is little reason to suspect that picking vs. cutting off mushrooms makes any difference.

Happy mushrooming!


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Re: limiting damage done while picking? [Re: kadakuda]
    #2958281 - 08/03/04 12:26 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Sometimes i use scissors, sometimes i don't. More often not.

Pulling a cow pie up off the ground or kicking it over probably stunts future growth from that paddy.

If picking rhizomorphic species (growing from the roots of trees) and you ripped the entire tree and its roots out of the ground, that would most likely stunt future growth also.

Of course, a big oak tree is a lot bigger and more difficult to rip out of the ground than a cow paddy; same idea though imo.


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Re: limiting damage done while picking? [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #2958797 - 08/03/04 03:20 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

No,U lift um out gentle,they pop out of the ground with out much pull,put the stem between ur 2 fingers and gently gently pull ,this will avoid blueing!
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Re: limiting damage done while picking? [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #2958817 - 08/03/04 03:28 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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GGreatOne234 said:
If picking rhizomorphic species (growing from the roots of trees)




I think you meant to say mychorrizal. All these damn mycology terms get confusing at times. I understand :smile:


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Re: limiting damage done while picking? [Re: Gumby]
    #2958859 - 08/03/04 03:46 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

in case there was a mis undersstanding i am refering the fungi that is left not the shrooms im taking home. i dont want to kill it. i would ideally liek to take soem shrooms without greatly harming the fungi.

sorry great one im just not understanding what you mean.

thanks for the pointers.


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Re: limiting damage done while picking? [Re: kadakuda]
    #2958879 - 08/03/04 03:53 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not sure what's best really. If you cut the shrooms at the base, no damage is done, but the rest of the stem is left to rot which could in turn lead to infection of the mycelium. If you yank the mushroom out of the growing medium, it tears the mycelia network open and makes it prone to infection. Seems like a lose lose situation.

For the record, I use scissors when possible. From what I've seen, my Pan subb patch tends to flourish when I do this as compaired to ripping them out. Ripping them out seems to slow growth down


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Re: limiting damage done while picking? [Re: Gumby]
    #2958981 - 08/03/04 05:01 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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you meant to say mychorrizal. All these damn mycology terms get confusing at times




yeah that's the one! :grin:

hahaha, i remember when i was typing that i second and third looked at that word and had a small feeling that i was completely oblivious as to what i was talking about.

I meant to say mycorrhizal (which is the correct spelling gumby, see you spelled your correcting me wrong so ha!~ :smile:)
-Mycorrhizic probably has no meaning, so i got futhur lost when for some reason i thought rhizomorph; come to think of it i dont think rhizomorphic fits in there anywhere either, probably not a real term either.

In other words this guys question has deeply confused my ability make a logical reply. 'Too complicated. :cool:

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Re: limiting damage done while picking? [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #2959622 - 08/03/04 11:22 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Definitely use scissors to snip 'em at the base. When you're running around a field in a mad dash to get in and out as fast as possible, a little pair of scissors can make quick work of picking shroomies. Pulling them out will hurt the mush plant itself. Also, try and thump the caps before you take them out of the field to help distribute spores for future generations!


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Re: limiting damage done while picking? [Re: dmtrypr]
    #2959628 - 08/03/04 11:24 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

the primary resoning i can see for the use of scissors is to facilitate easier cleaning. either way, it dosen't seem to hurt anything.


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Re: limiting damage done while picking? [Re: dmtrypr]
    #2959966 - 08/03/04 01:19 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Thumping or flicking the caps doesn't do a damn thing. Spores are ejected from the mushrooms as soon as they are produced. This is a common myth that has no real point.


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Re: limiting damage done while picking? [Re: Gumby]
    #2964051 - 08/04/04 02:01 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'm sorry Gumby but I have to disagree with you.Me and some friends used to think that way,so one time out in the field we gathered some thick branches and marked of two or three patties with about 8 cubes growing on each and it looked like they had just opened,so before picking them we tapped the caps and then took all the caps.

We went back to that field about 2 weeks later and there were atleast 27 shrooms to each of the patties we marked off.

Best bet is to bring scissors.Lightly tap the caps to drop spores,grab the shroom where the stem is closest to the dung and twist it,then to get remaining dung and dirt off the stem just cut above with your scissors.


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Re: limiting damage done while picking? [Re: Mad_Hatter2004]
    #2965303 - 08/04/04 07:20 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

first off mad hatter, you're little 'experiment' didn't prove anything. that's not science my friend. what if you hadn't thumped the caps? there might have been 27 shrooms per pattie anyway...there's really no way to know. I have to agree w/ Gumby in that thumping doesn't do a damn thing. besides, in two weeks any new spores that would have dropped (from thumping) would likely not have contributed to mycelial growth capable of fruiting yet. the mature mycelium was already in place. and if you're talking about P. cubensis I highly doubt your claim of 27 per pattie. I've been hunting a long time and never found anywhere near that on one pile of shit...sorry but I think you're full of it unless of course you can post some pics and prove it. maybe 27 altogether.


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Re: limiting damage done while picking? [Re: Mad_Hatter2004]
    #2965506 - 08/04/04 08:49 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

in short you should read up on the
life cycle of psilocybe cubensis...

Thanks for thumping... some one somewhere may enjoy
those spores....


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Re: limiting damage done while picking? [Re: Mad_Hatter2004]
    #2966525 - 08/05/04 02:08 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Tap the caps all you want but if you ever see someone out in their field frowing and shaking their head at you... That'll be me.

There's no point. Read up on the production of spores.


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Re: limiting damage done while picking? [Re: kadakuda]
    #2967215 - 08/05/04 10:38 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Here is an interesting article about this topic (morels, but nevetheless):

http://www.bluewillowpages.com/mushroomexpert/morels/picking.html

Misconceptions on Picking Morels

by Michael Kuo

Since the morel mushroom is only the fruiting body of the "true" organism, which is a rather large underground mesh of strands called the mycelium, picking morels is roughly comparable to picking an apple from an apple tree. There is no evidence to suggest that picking morels--by virtually any method--will harm them. One would have to harm or destroy the mycelium itself to affect its production of morels.

The truth is that some morel spots will "go bad" and stop producing, for reasons we cannot explain. This answer doesn't satisfy morel hunters, however, who are notorious theorizers, constructing theories from scant or shaky evidence. Below are some of these flawed theories, several of which are quite popular.

"Overpicking Will Kill a Spot"

No scientific evidence supports this idea, and there is even some evidence to suggest the opposite. Think biologically for a moment: the function of a fruiting body is to help the organism reproduce, to spread seeds. Berries have developed smells and tastes over the millenia to make themselves attractive to animals, who eat the berries and then carry the seeds elsewhere before, um, releasing them--thus helping the berries propogate. The whole point of a fruiting body involves its potential to spread seeds as far and wide as possible.

With morels, spores are the "seeds," and there are a gazillion spores on each mushroom, just itching to get out into the world. By the time most morels are picked by mushroom hunters, most of the microscopic spores have already been shot out of the little microscopic jets that cover the cap. Experiments done by mycologists have demonstrated that, in a vacuum, mushroom spores take hours to descend from cap to ground. Nature is not a vacuum, so imagine what happens to spores when even the slightest air currents are involved. Spores from the average morel could easily wind up thousands of miles away! This leads us to the next flawed theory:

"Using Mesh Bags Will Help Morels Reproduce"

According to this theory, the morel hunter assists the morels in spreading spores by using a mesh bag, which allows the mushrooms to drop spores. But if you read the last paragraph, you see the problem with this theory: it assumes that morel spores fall straight to the ground like seeds would. If morel spores were the size of, say, apple seeds, this would be a great idea; as you walk around the woods with your bag, seeds fall out in new places. But the truth is that the morel's spores are so tiny that when you pick the mushroom and lift it to your bag you have probably already produced enough air currents to send spores to Timbuktu (literally!) to say nothing of all the other things you will do to the morels at home (it's not like our homes are air-tight!).

Pollen is also microscopic and can only be seen en masse, like mushroom spores. Think of how, in allergy season, people wind up breathing pollen and sneezing when they are miles away from the plants producing the pollen--all the result of tiny wind currents lofting millions of microscopic things into the air.

I have watched squirrels pick mushrooms and carry them up to tree branches to lay them out in the sun to dry. They seemed quite satisfied to be preparing little nutritious nuggets for later consumption. I suspect the mushrooms were quite satisfied as well, because the whole process must send millions of spores into the stratosphere. And I suspect that Nature planned the whole thing to benefit the squirrels and the mushrooms.

In short, while mesh bags do allow mushroom spores to circulate through the air, it's not as though the spores won't get circulated if other methods are used. Nature has set things up so that spores will wind up on the other side of the planet even if you don't pick them and wave them around in the air. An advantage to using mesh bags that has nothing to do with morel reproduction, however, is that when the mushrooms can "breathe," they are less subject to the rapid decay that can occur in a plastic bag on a warm day.

"Repeated Treading on Spots Will Make Them Go Bad"

Again, no scientific evidence supports this idea--and, again, there is even some evidence to suggest the opposite. Walking on your mushroom spots will not affect them. What is happening when people decide that a spot has been stomped on too much and therefore stopped producing is that something else has caused the spot to stop producing mushrooms. Whatever that "something else" is, however, is unknown to the mushroom hunter; it could be anything. Mycology just hasn't figured it all out completely. But we do know that plenty of mushroom spots get walked on again and again, year after year (some by an amazing number of people!), and still produce morels.

Of course, if the "treading" is so severe that it actually damages the ground, and the morel mycelium within it, mushrooms may well stop popping up. This might occur in an area where, say, cows have been fenced in for a long period of time, completely destroying the ground. But a few humans walking around aren't going to destroy things . . . think of all the mushrooms that are found growing out of regularly walked paths!

"Cut Morels above the Base or They'll Stop Appearing"

There is a very good reason to cut morels with a knife when you're picking them: the dirt-covered bases don't wind up in your bag, and cleaning the mushrooms is much easier when you get home. Other than that, however, there's no reason to slice them rather than pick them. Assuming you're not thinking of digging up a square foot of topsoil in order to pick a morel, you're not going to damage the mycelium by gently tugging the mushroom out of the ground.

"Leave a Few Sitting So the Spot Will Keep Producing"

The mycelium of the morel mushroom grows by "feeding on" nutrients in the ground. Just as leaving a few apples on an apple tree would not affect whether the tree continued to make apples, leaving a few morels standing has absolutely no effect on the mycelium of the mushroom. Neither does it affect whether spores are spread in the immediate area since, by picking the mushrooms, you would spread plenty of spores--and since the vast majority of the spores are probably headed for somewhere miles away, anyway.

Final Thoughts

In short, you can relax; you're not going to hurt your morel spot by picking mushrooms, and you don't need to worry about ruining the spot. This is not to say the spot will produce mushrooms forever, year after year--we all know that morel spots can "go bad." But they're not going to stop producing mushrooms for any reason that you have control over.


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