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9/11 Did the states deserve it?
#2945470 - 07/30/04 03:32 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Alot of people think so, but Im just wondering how many people think if the states did or not. Remember, admitting they have a problem is the first step to recovery.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
#2945517 - 07/30/04 03:46 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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I wouldn't go so far as to say we deserved it, but we should've seen it coming.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
#2945524 - 07/30/04 03:47 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Innocent people never deserve to suffer for the actions of jack asses.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
#2945619 - 07/30/04 04:11 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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A lot of people did see it coming. Why did we not immediately increase recruitment and training of Arabic translators after the first attack? Because Clinton didn't think so. And why was there no communication between the CIA and FBI? Because Jamie Gorelick and a lot of other left wing loonies were insanely worried about domestic spying by the CIA and because other loonies cut the CIA's balls off by not allowing them to use "unsavory characters" (i.e. pay them) for info.
Deserve it???? Go fuck yourself for even asking.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: zappaisgod]
#2945701 - 07/30/04 04:41 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Deserve it???? Go fuck yourself for even asking.
I second that notion. What does this have to do with politics? Go take your hatred to OTD.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
#2945917 - 07/30/04 05:45 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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I voted Yes.
As a political entity, the US went out of their way to deserve that and much more.
But I agree, none of the individuals who died deserved it personally. Innocent people never deserve to suffer, that's damn right, and it's right anywhere in the world. Almost 3000 innocent people died as a reaction to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people all over the world in recent decades, who died directly or indirectly because of US interests and involvement. And after 9/11, more innocent people died as a reaction to the deaths of almost 3000 innocent people who died in the attacks.
Where's this going to end? Stop the madness!
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
#2945978 - 07/30/04 06:05 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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People had to see that it is a dangerous world outside the suburbs, the cities, the country. Those people did not deserve to die but that was a wake up call. At least they didn't use a nuke, thank god.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
#2946204 - 07/30/04 07:35 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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DieCommie said:
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zappaisgod said: Deserve it???? Go fuck yourself for even asking.
I second that notion. What does this have to do with politics? Go take your hatred to OTD.
And I third. I know it's hard for you to comprehend with you not believing in such arcane notions of right and wrong, but purposely taking an innocent civilian's life because of circumstances out of their control is evil.
I've not seen you post much in here. I hope nothing changes.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
#2946277 - 07/30/04 08:04 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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That kind of question normally pops up on Wahhabi forums, not a place like the Shroomery. But, in retrospect how does one go about bringing justice against the United States for its sins?
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Zahid]
#2946794 - 07/30/04 11:16 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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How does one go about bringing justice against the United States for its sins?
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That kind of question normally pops up on Wahhabi forums, not a place like the Shroomery.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
#2949639 - 07/31/04 06:40 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow, I would have thaught that there were going to be "we deserved it" votes.....just with the type of crowd SShroomery sometimes has.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
#2949665 - 07/31/04 06:58 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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"Deserve it???? Go fuck yourself for even asking." i'll third the notion.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: spock]
#2949679 - 07/31/04 07:01 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Free country, go fuck yourself for even thinking that I cant ask about anything I want! If it werent for people asking questions, we'd have alot more 9/11's thats for sure. And this is completely a speculative question anyways, so why bust a nut over it.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
#2949681 - 07/31/04 07:02 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Disappointed that only 8 people agree with fanatical religious killing of 3000 innocent people? Im disgusted that 8 people feel the so-called crimes of America warrant mass slaughter of innocent men women and children. Maybe if you go to your local Wahabii forums, youll get the consensus you want.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
#2949690 - 07/31/04 07:06 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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in a way, Yes.
but it's too bad relatively innocent people had to die instead of the fucks who actually implement the murderous forgein policies.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: DieCommie]
#2949719 - 07/31/04 07:14 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Its not nice seeing anyone suffer like that, and it was something that definately sucked, but welcome to the rest of the world. What makes 3000 americans any different than 3000 chinese or 3000 africans being slaughtered? The world can be an ugly place, and people dont have to accept america if they dont want to, and its up to them if they want to see america go down, and its up to us to ask ourselve why, and if it makes sense why they hate us. If the goverment of the states deserved this or not is painful question, just as painful as some Iraqi person asking if (they) Iraq, deserved to be ambushed and have thier innocent people killed....Some will say: "yes" over there and have many patriotic Iraquis agree or disagree with them on thier Iraqi Shroomery! The States isnt special, and its people, and how they die, and why they die isnt any different than any other race of people dying in the crossfire that certain politics, agrivation, and provocative actions other countrys decide to make. So yes, I will ask if we deserve it in a speculative sense, and hope that the questions we ask may save more lives in the future, and that these human beings in the states didnt die in vain, like so many other people caught in political crossfire around the world are...
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: tyke]
#2949726 - 07/31/04 07:16 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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So their murderous ways are justified because of our murderous ways?
And what is this murderous forgein poloicy that warrnets the killing people who you call "relatively innocent"?
From what i see, the Mid East has some of the most murderous foreign policies in the world.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: DieCommie]
#2949739 - 07/31/04 07:20 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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you win.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: tyke]
#2949762 - 07/31/04 07:27 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Awww comon tyke, i really want to know what foreign policy you were referring too...
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: DieCommie]
#2949767 - 07/31/04 07:28 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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So their murderous ways are justified because of our murderous ways? Me:Yes And what is this murderous forgein poloicy that warrnets the killing people who you call "relatively innocent"? Written or unwritten? From what i see, the Mid East has some of the most murderous foreign policies in the world. Thats because they are different, they have a different culture. And I notice that we cant accept thiers, and they cant accept ours. Its kinda like thy are fighting for the survival of thier culture. We fight for our survival of our culture too. They have thier ways, and so do we. I just think that who are we tio say we are right? Of course if we want to win, we have to believe in ourselves, but no matter what, lots of people are going to die. So what can we do? Tones of possibilities, but most of them are not in our nature (human nature).....sucks hey? But thier might be some that I havent thaught of, lotta smart people out there. But how do we get everyone on the same page hey? No easy answers, and alot of painful facts out there. Such is life. Reality is rough to think aboiut sometimes.....but everyone reality is different....this can go on forever. So one can just forget about it and ignore it, thats what I do sometimes, it works! No matter if its productive or not....and sometimes I think about it, and its fun asking what others think. Its like therapy....talk therapy...lol.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: DieCommie]
#2949790 - 07/31/04 07:34 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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DieCommie said: Disappointed that only 8 people agree with fanatical religious killing of 3000 innocent people? Im disgusted that 8 people feel the so-called crimes of America warrant mass slaughter of innocent men women and children. Maybe if you go to your local Wahabii forums, youll get the consensus you want.
nice spin. Innocents dont deserve to die, but if you look at the act as an attack on the american gov/corporate mafia, then yes they did deserve it.
deserve meaning, they brought fire and death to others, so it is only natural that the gesture is returned. But if you dehumanize 9/11, then you cant complain when little brown kiddies get american bombs dropped on their heads.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Positronius]
#2949796 - 07/31/04 07:37 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well...I'll have to follow up later on on the rest of the replies. Maybe on Tuesday, or tommorow. Gotta get going. To eveyone else...please let us know your opinion, or stance, or just make a comment:)
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
#2949871 - 07/31/04 07:56 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Enough of this anti-flag shit. Personally i think if you live in the US and dont like it then get the fuck out. Remember, nobody deserves to die unless they killed.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: DieCommie]
#2949881 - 07/31/04 07:59 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Calm down, my last comment was just an after thought for a place that's pretty open to all types of hypothetical dialogue. 9.11 is obviously fucked up, if you've read my posts in S&P you would know I'm far from Wahhabi/Salafi ideology as I'm a Sufi Our former Prime Minister Jean Chr?tien, before Paul Martin took over last December, made similiar comments when he said America asked for 9/11 with arrogant foreign policies that escalated over the decades. America has done evil in the far past, recent past, and in present times - 9/11 is a sick and twisted way of going about grievances by any logic, especially from what I read about Atta, who actually had the nerve to ask God for forgiveness for what he was about to do; the counterlogic of that likely lies in the fact that Atta had a twisted belief of a global state of war between Muslims and unbelievers. Stupid, considering Atta wrote out a will that included instructions of what to do with his body after the 9/11 attack. But fuck man, can't a man play Devil's Advocate without being lynched damnit.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
#2949892 - 07/31/04 08:01 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just so you guys remember...9/11 was planned mostly between 1996 and 1999 when Bush was not in office. It seems that many people see it implicit that the tendancies of the Bush Administration caused our terrorist problem, however Al-Qaeda was a threat long before them. To the anti-Bush people, since Bush didn't provoke terrorists in the first place, would you still blame the US?
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Divided_Sky]
#2949916 - 07/31/04 08:08 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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America is hated for deep seated foreign policies that persist regardless if a liberal or conservative is in office - i.e., military aid to Israel, American troops in Saudi Arabia, and previously sanctions against Iraq (which morphed into the U.S. occupation of Iraq)..are the main issues that the Muslim/Arab culture is clashing with.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: ]
#2949926 - 07/31/04 08:10 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Gawk said: Enough of this anti-flag shit. Personally i think if you live in the US and dont like it then get the fuck out. Remember, nobody deserves to die unless they killed.
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I have a few native American and hispanic friends that might disagree with you.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Divided_Sky]
#2949935 - 07/31/04 08:11 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Divided_Sky said: Just so you guys remember...9/11 was planned mostly between 1996 and 1999 when Bush was not in office. It seems that many people see it implicit that the tendancies of the Bush Administration caused our terrorist problem, however Al-Qaeda was a threat long before them. To the anti-Bush people, since Bush didn't provoke terrorists in the first place, would you still blame the US?
well....actually Bush Sr did provoke a lot of terrorism.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Zahid]
#2949941 - 07/31/04 08:12 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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im calm
first off im saying we didnt deserve that in 96-99 when it was planned, that 1 guy who fucked monica was in office. Bushy was in office when it happened. He wanted to kill Osama who did it. Now were invading Iraq and captured saddam who didnt do anything to us for quite a while? wtf?
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Gawk said: Now were invading Iraq and captured saddam who didnt do anything to us for quite a while? wtf?
did he EVER do anything to the US?
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: ]
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Bush had planned to invade Iraq regardless if September 11th had happened or not.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
#2949966 - 07/31/04 08:16 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Positronius]
#2949967 - 07/31/04 08:17 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, he did try to plan the killing of Bush Sr.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Zahid]
#2950025 - 07/31/04 08:36 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Also he did violate his peace treaty with us. Thats why i support the war. I agree that Bush had planned to invade Iraq regardless if September 11th had happened or not.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
#2950148 - 07/31/04 09:22 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't think the truly innocent workers in the towers deserved it but I do believe the U.S and probably some of the upper employees did.
I don't think the terrorists' ideas warrant such an attack. If however their ideas included opposition to large business tactics and an opposition to the idea of manifest destiny then I wholy agree with them.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: newuser1492]
#2950286 - 07/31/04 10:14 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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One of their ideas that (not kidding) was that it was the will of God that they carried out 9/11.. they believed they were destined to do it, and there was no way escaping not doing it. A very twisted perversion of Islamic theology that stems from the fanatical belief that God decides who Believes and who Disbelieves and all deeds on both sides are ordained by God. This is coupled with their belief of a global war that must be fought on a different kind of front (terrorism) due to the modern conditions of the world today.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Zahid]
#2950308 - 07/31/04 10:21 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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One of their ideas that (not kidding) was that it was the will of God that they carried out 9/11.
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I don't think the terrorists' ideas warrant such an attack.
Exactly. I think the idea of "God" guiding you to do something violent is absurd.
I guess a means to an end would be a better statement of my ideas. I don't think the Islamic extremist's were correct and I don't believe the truly innocent people should have died. However I do believe the U.S. to be run by money grubbing whores who deserve and deserved to be violently punished.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: newuser1492]
#2950347 - 07/31/04 10:40 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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cb9fl said: I don't think the truly innocent workers in the towers deserved it but I do believe the U.S and probably some of the upper employees did.
do the people of Iraq or Afganistan, what about those in Viet Nam or Korea... Nicaragua, Haiti, Columbia, Peru, or Grenada... these are just a few countries, most are secret wars but they are being fought by the US and with US troops within the last 50 years.
No.. the non-combatant civilians do not deserve to die... did the US deserve an attack... yes but not of the sort we recieved... althoug the other options may well have caused more chaos and death
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I never supported the Iraqi war.
The Afganistan war is a puppet war.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: newuser1492]
#2950383 - 07/31/04 10:53 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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WW2 was our last legitamate war.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Actually, us Muslims were quite appreciative of the U.S. efforts in Bosnia against the Serbian-lead genocide.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Zahid]
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I'm sure that you were but it was not our fight, had we armed and equipped the bosnians and given them more training as well as a few people as advisors then it wouldnt have been a real issue.
Had the US dont this under the US flag instead of that of the UN then it would have been more acceptable to me at least, the US plays police force to the world, the situation in Haiti in the 80s we publicly trained and armed the people to overthrow the Communist Government and install a democratic government and then secretly led another coup to out the newly 'elected' democracy.
I just moved from an area that is being heavily settled by bosnian peoples, many of them although appreciative wish that the US would have simply armed them and allowed them to resist on their own. The US is guilty of the very same things that the Serbs were... I head several stories of US troops rapeing and brutalizing citizens, I have seen video footage of kind soldiers 'enticing' young children for indecent acts...
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#2950550 - 07/31/04 11:52 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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But thanks though! And you guys did arm the Afghans in the 80's, but that was motivated by the Cold War.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Zahid]
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oh yes... and we pumped money directly into the pockets of Osama, gave him military (CIA) Advisors, technology and intel... we also do the same for any other country we will go to war with just as we did Iraq in the 70s when they were fighting Iran.
America is a wonderful country... when people read what isnt in the books about the history of america then maybe they will realize that this government is simply repating what it has done since it's inception... kill for political gain
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: DieCommie]
#2956981 - 08/02/04 03:33 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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The following is from "The art of seeing"
The moment we say "right", we've alreadfy implied that there is a "wrong." We've implied dualism.
For those unfamiliar with the term as its being used here, dualism simply refers to the world of left and right, dark and light, good and bad, pure and impure. Its the psycological backdrop for our everyday world of chasing after some things and running away from others, the world in which if you differ from me, then there is something wrong with you ...
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
#2957047 - 08/02/04 03:47 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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The US deserved it, the civilians did not. But every war has civilian casualities (usually it seems they're the majority of the casualities). Still, one would wish that the corrupt US fuckers who implemented the policies and violence that caused so many new terrorism had been punished instead of innocent US civilians, but that's much harder said than done
And what's with this, "If you don't like the US, you can leave!" bullshit? The whole point of freedom of speech is to question the actions of your leaders, and to try to find the truth about situations. One of the top reasons for freedom at all is to try to change and make things better. To tell people who question and try to change the US to leave and go somewhere else is mass conformity at its finest
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
#2958284 - 08/02/04 10:27 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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i wont give a straight answer to whether or not that specific group of ppl deserved what they got...but i will say that i dont have much sympathy for social conservatives..least of all the rabid neocons..should they become the targets of such a counterattack...
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
#2958293 - 08/02/04 10:29 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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thanks. I deserve to die.
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AhronZombi
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
#2958609 - 08/02/04 11:55 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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we did b/c we attacked out self if anyone says otherwise they are lieing
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Mixomatosis
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
#2959989 - 08/03/04 11:34 AM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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haha the attacks on the person who started this thread for asking the question are hilarious. That's nice work boys..
anyway, it's pretty obvious if you are going to engage parts of the world killing babies an' shit you're gonna get hit back, right? I mean, that's just how it works. In that sense the US deserved the attack.
In the sense that innocents don't deserve to die, the attack wasn't justified. Neither was a certain bombing mission on a certain pharmeceutical factory who's misguided destruction resulted in a few thousand deaths.
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Northernsoul
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Mixomatosis]
#2961165 - 08/03/04 05:09 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Mixomatosis said: haha the attacks on the person who started this thread for asking the question are hilarious. That's nice work boys..
Yeah, its something you have to live with. Everyone has a right to thier own opinion, or else I wouldnt bring the subject in the first place.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Annapurna1]
#2961172 - 08/03/04 05:11 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, if we hang on to this " if you differ from me, then there is something wrong with you" attitude, we will be hit again and again and again untill we learn, as simple as that.
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Divided_Sky
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Mixomatosis]
#2961658 - 08/03/04 07:56 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mixomatosis said: Neither was a certain bombing mission on a certain pharmeceutical factory who's misguided destruction resulted in a few thousand deaths.
If you are referring to the Sudanese pill factory, despite Noam Chomsky's fantastic claim that 20,000 people were killed, nobody was even injured.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Divided_Sky]
#2961863 - 08/03/04 09:06 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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Link?
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
#2966325 - 08/04/04 11:06 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'll just say No, I don't think the US desrved the murder of 3000 people. Yes the US has fucked up policies. Very fucked up policies. I'd bet that 3000 people die weekly worldwide due to circumstances the US could have prevented or assisted with in one way or another. But there is a lot of good will in this country. And it comes through one way or another (AIDS work, Foreign Aid Assistance, yes these programs need work but there are many countries that don't even bother).
Isn't killing just killing, guys?
I know a lot of people looked at what happened in the States after the attacks and thought we were spoiled rotten, but that was just little parts of middle America that the media decided to shine the light on. I was in NYC on 9/11 and there was very litle of it. Most of the people I know walked out their doors that morning, saw a bunch of smoke coming from the towers and went off to work or vote. There wasn't much shock, at least not until we were told to be shocked by TV. Most people, at least in enlightened areas of the country, knew something like it was coming. But was it deserved? No, I don't think so.
Good thread though. Fuck all of you who are insulting this guy for simply asking a qustion.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
#2969294 - 08/05/04 06:16 PM (19 years, 9 months ago) |
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We didn't "deserve" it necessarily, but we did ask for it, and we're asking for more.
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