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OfflineZahid
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #2950411 - 07/31/04 11:01 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Actually, us Muslims were quite appreciative of the U.S. efforts in Bosnia against the Serbian-lead genocide.


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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Zahid]
    #2950447 - 07/31/04 11:13 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

I'm sure that you were but it was not our fight, had we armed and equipped the bosnians and given them more training as well as a few people as advisors then it wouldnt have been a real issue.

Had the US dont this under the US flag instead of that of the UN then it would have been more acceptable to me at least, the US plays police force to the world, the situation in Haiti in the 80s we publicly trained and armed the people to overthrow the Communist Government and install a democratic government and then secretly led another coup to out the newly 'elected' democracy.

I just moved from an area that is being heavily settled by bosnian peoples, many of them although appreciative wish that the US would have simply armed them and allowed them to resist on their own. The US is guilty of the very same things that the Serbs were... I head several stories of US troops rapeing and brutalizing citizens, I have seen video footage of kind soldiers 'enticing' young children for indecent acts...

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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #2950550 - 07/31/04 11:52 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

But thanks though!

And you guys did arm the Afghans in the 80's, but that was motivated by the Cold War.

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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Zahid]
    #2950638 - 08/01/04 12:18 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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Zahid said:
And you guys did arm the Afghans in the 80's, but that was motivated by the Cold War.




oh yes... and we pumped money directly into the pockets of Osama, gave him military (CIA) Advisors, technology and intel... we also do the same for any other country we will go to war with just as we did Iraq in the 70s when they were fighting Iran.

America is a wonderful country... when people read what isnt in the books about the history of america then maybe they will realize that this government is simply repating what it has done since it's inception... kill for political gain

"I vow to exterminate the Indian race from the face of the earth" -Andrew Jackson

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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: DieCommie]
    #2956981 - 08/02/04 03:33 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)



The following is from "The art of seeing"

The moment we say "right", we've alreadfy implied that there is a "wrong." We've implied dualism.

For those unfamiliar with the term as its being used here, dualism simply refers to the world of left and right, dark and light, good and bad, pure and impure. Its the psycological backdrop for our everyday world of chasing after some things and running away from others, the world in which if you differ from me, then there is something wrong with you ...

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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2957047 - 08/02/04 03:47 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

The US deserved it, the civilians did not. But every war has civilian casualities (usually it seems they're the majority of the casualities). Still, one would wish that the corrupt US fuckers who implemented the policies and violence that caused so many new terrorism had been punished instead of innocent US civilians, but that's much harder said than done

And what's with this, "If you don't like the US, you can leave!" bullshit? The whole point of freedom of speech is to question the actions of your leaders, and to try to find the truth about situations. One of the top reasons for freedom at all is to try to change and make things better. To tell people who question and try to change the US to leave and go somewhere else is mass conformity at its finest


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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2958284 - 08/02/04 10:27 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

i wont give a straight answer to whether or not that specific group of ppl deserved what they got...but i will say that i dont have much sympathy for social conservatives..least of all the rabid neocons..should they become the targets of such a counterattack...


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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2958293 - 08/02/04 10:29 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

thanks. I deserve to die.

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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2958609 - 08/02/04 11:55 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

we did b/c we attacked out self if anyone says otherwise they are lieing

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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2959989 - 08/03/04 11:34 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

haha the attacks on the person who started this thread for asking the question are hilarious. That's nice work boys..

anyway, it's pretty obvious if you are going to engage parts of the world killing babies an' shit you're gonna get hit back, right? I mean, that's just how it works. In that sense the US deserved the attack.

In the sense that innocents don't deserve to die, the attack wasn't justified. Neither was a certain bombing mission on a certain pharmeceutical factory who's misguided destruction resulted in a few thousand deaths.

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OfflineNorthernsoul
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2961165 - 08/03/04 05:09 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Mixomatosis said:
haha the attacks on the person who started this thread for asking the question are hilarious. That's nice work boys..




Yeah, its something you have to live with. Everyone has a right to thier own opinion, or else I wouldnt bring the subject in the first place.


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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2961172 - 08/03/04 05:11 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Well, if we hang on to this " if you differ from me, then there is something wrong with you" attitude, we will be hit again and again and again untill we learn, as simple as that.

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OfflineDivided_Sky
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2961658 - 08/03/04 07:56 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Mixomatosis said:
Neither was a certain bombing mission on a certain pharmeceutical factory who's misguided destruction resulted in a few thousand deaths.




If you are referring to the Sudanese pill factory, despite Noam Chomsky's fantastic claim that 20,000 people were killed, nobody was even injured.

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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2961863 - 08/03/04 09:06 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Link?


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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2966325 - 08/04/04 11:06 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

I'll just say No, I don't think the US desrved the murder of 3000 people. Yes the US has fucked up policies. Very fucked up policies. I'd bet that 3000 people die weekly worldwide due to circumstances the US could have prevented or assisted with in one way or another. But there is a lot of good will in this country. And it comes through one way or another (AIDS work, Foreign Aid Assistance, yes these programs need work but there are many countries that don't even bother).

Isn't killing just killing, guys?

I know a lot of people looked at what happened in the States after the attacks and thought we were spoiled rotten, but that was just little parts of middle America that the media decided to shine the light on. I was in NYC on 9/11 and there was very litle of it. Most of the people I know walked out their doors that morning, saw a bunch of smoke coming from the towers and went off to work or vote. There wasn't much  shock, at least not until we were told to be shocked by TV. Most people, at least in enlightened areas of the country, knew something like it was coming. But was it deserved? No, I don't think so.

Good thread though. Fuck all of you who are insulting this guy for simply asking a qustion.
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2969294 - 08/05/04 06:16 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

We didn't "deserve" it necessarily, but we did ask for it, and we're asking for more.


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