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OfflinePositronius
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: DieCommie]
    #2949790 - 07/31/04 07:34 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
Disappointed that only 8 people agree with fanatical religious killing of 3000 innocent people? Im disgusted that 8 people feel the so-called crimes of America warrant mass slaughter of innocent men women and children. Maybe if you go to your local Wahabii forums, youll get the consensus you want.




nice spin. Innocents dont deserve to die, but if you look at the act as an attack on the american gov/corporate mafia, then yes they did deserve it.

deserve meaning, they brought fire and death to others, so it is only natural that the gesture is returned. But if you dehumanize 9/11, then you cant complain when little brown kiddies get american bombs dropped on their heads.


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OfflineNorthernsoul
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Positronius]
    #2949796 - 07/31/04 07:37 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Well...I'll have to follow up later on on the rest of the replies. Maybe on Tuesday, or tommorow. Gotta get going. To eveyone else...please let us know your opinion, or stance, or just make a comment:)


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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2949871 - 07/31/04 07:56 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Enough of this anti-flag shit. Personally i think if you live in the US and dont like it then get the fuck out. Remember, nobody deserves to die unless they killed.

Peace
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: DieCommie]
    #2949881 - 07/31/04 07:59 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Calm down, my last comment was just an after thought for a place that's pretty open to all types of hypothetical dialogue.

9.11 is obviously fucked up, if you've read my posts in S&P you would know I'm far from Wahhabi/Salafi ideology as I'm a Sufi  :rolleyes:

Our former Prime Minister Jean Chr?tien, before Paul Martin took over last December, made similiar comments when he said America asked for 9/11 with arrogant foreign policies that escalated over the decades.

America has done evil in the far past, recent past, and in present times - 9/11 is a sick and twisted way of going about grievances by any logic, especially from what I read about Atta, who actually had the nerve to ask God for forgiveness for what he was about to do; the counterlogic of that likely lies in the fact that Atta had a twisted belief of a global state of war between Muslims and unbelievers. Stupid, considering Atta wrote out a will that included instructions of what to do with his body after the 9/11 attack.  :tongue2:

But fuck man, can't a man play Devil's Advocate without being lynched damnit.  :heart:


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OfflineDivided_Sky
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2949892 - 07/31/04 08:01 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Just so you guys remember...9/11 was planned mostly between 1996 and 1999 when Bush was not in office. It seems that many people see it implicit that the tendancies of the Bush Administration caused our terrorist problem, however Al-Qaeda was a threat long before them. To the anti-Bush people, since Bush didn't provoke terrorists in the first place, would you still blame the US?

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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2949916 - 07/31/04 08:08 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

America is hated for deep seated foreign policies that persist regardless if a liberal or conservative is in office - i.e., military aid to Israel, American troops in Saudi Arabia, and previously sanctions against Iraq (which morphed into the U.S. occupation of Iraq)..are the main issues that the Muslim/Arab culture is clashing with.


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OfflinePositronius
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: ]
    #2949926 - 07/31/04 08:10 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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Gawk said:
Enough of this anti-flag shit. Personally i think if you live in the US and dont like it then get the fuck out. Remember, nobody deserves to die unless they killed.

Peace
((gAwK))




I have a few native American and hispanic friends that might disagree with you.


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OfflinePositronius
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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2949935 - 07/31/04 08:11 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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Divided_Sky said:
Just so you guys remember...9/11 was planned mostly between 1996 and 1999 when Bush was not in office. It seems that many people see it implicit that the tendancies of the Bush Administration caused our terrorist problem, however Al-Qaeda was a threat long before them. To the anti-Bush people, since Bush didn't provoke terrorists in the first place, would you still blame the US?




well....actually Bush Sr did provoke a lot of terrorism.


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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Zahid]
    #2949941 - 07/31/04 08:12 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

im calm

first off im saying we didnt deserve that
in 96-99 when it was planned, that 1 guy who fucked monica was in office. Bushy was in office when it happened. He wanted to kill Osama who did it. Now were invading Iraq and captured saddam who didnt do anything to us for quite a while? wtf?

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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: ]
    #2949946 - 07/31/04 08:13 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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Gawk said:
Now were invading Iraq and captured saddam who didnt do anything to us for quite a while? wtf?




did he EVER do anything to the US?


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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: ]
    #2949958 - 07/31/04 08:15 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Bush had planned to invade Iraq regardless if September 11th had happened or not.


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InvisibleDieCommie

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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2949966 - 07/31/04 08:16 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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Edited by DieCommie (11/11/16 10:16 AM)

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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Positronius]
    #2949967 - 07/31/04 08:17 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Well, he did try to plan the killing of Bush Sr.


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InvisibleDieCommie

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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Zahid]
    #2950025 - 07/31/04 08:36 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Also he did violate his peace treaty with us. Thats why i support the war. I agree that Bush had planned to invade Iraq regardless if September 11th had happened or not.

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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2950148 - 07/31/04 09:22 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think the truly innocent workers in the towers deserved it but I do believe the U.S and probably some of the upper employees did.

I don't think the terrorists' ideas warrant such an attack. If however their ideas included opposition to large business tactics and an opposition to the idea of manifest destiny then I wholy agree with them.

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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: newuser1492]
    #2950286 - 07/31/04 10:14 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

One of their ideas that (not kidding) was that it was the will of God that they carried out 9/11.. they believed they were destined to do it, and there was no way escaping not doing it. A very twisted perversion of Islamic theology that stems from the fanatical belief that God decides who Believes and who Disbelieves and all deeds on both sides are ordained by God. This is coupled with their belief of a global war that must be fought on a different kind of front (terrorism) due to the modern conditions of the world today.


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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Zahid]
    #2950308 - 07/31/04 10:21 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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One of their ideas that (not kidding) was that it was the will of God that they carried out 9/11.




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I don't think the terrorists' ideas warrant such an attack.




Exactly. I think the idea of "God" guiding you to do something violent is absurd.

I guess a means to an end would be a better statement of my ideas. I don't think the Islamic extremist's were correct and I don't believe the truly innocent people should have died. However I do believe the U.S. to be run by money grubbing whores who deserve and deserved to be violently punished.

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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: newuser1492]
    #2950347 - 07/31/04 10:40 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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cb9fl said:
I don't think the truly innocent workers in the towers deserved it but I do believe the U.S and probably some of the upper employees did.





do the people of Iraq or Afganistan, what about those in Viet Nam or Korea... Nicaragua, Haiti, Columbia, Peru, or Grenada... these are just a few countries, most are secret wars but they are being fought by the US and with US troops within the last 50 years.

No.. the non-combatant civilians do not deserve to die... did the US deserve an attack... yes but not of the sort we recieved... althoug the other options may well have caused more chaos and death

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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #2950377 - 07/31/04 10:50 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

I never supported the Iraqi war.

The Afganistan war is a puppet war.

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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: newuser1492]
    #2950383 - 07/31/04 10:53 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

WW2 was our last legitamate war.

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