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OfflineNorthernsoul
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9/11 Did the states deserve it?
    #2945470 - 07/30/04 05:32 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Alot of people think so, but Im just wondering how many people think if the states did or not. Remember, admitting they have a problem is the first step to recovery.
Did The States deserve it?
You may choose only one
Yes
No


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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2945517 - 07/30/04 05:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I wouldn't go so far as to say we deserved it, but we should've seen it coming.


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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2945524 - 07/30/04 05:47 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Innocent people never deserve to suffer for the actions of jack asses.


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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2945619 - 07/30/04 06:11 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

A lot of people did see it coming. Why did we not immediately increase recruitment and training of Arabic translators after the first attack? Because Clinton didn't think so. And why was there no communication between the CIA and FBI? Because Jamie Gorelick and a lot of other left wing loonies were insanely worried about domestic spying by the CIA and because other loonies cut the CIA's balls off by not allowing them to use "unsavory characters" (i.e. pay them) for info.

Deserve it???? Go fuck yourself for even asking.


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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2945701 - 07/30/04 06:41 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Deserve it???? Go fuck yourself for even asking.


I second that notion. What does this have to do with politics? Go take your hatred to OTD.


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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2945917 - 07/30/04 07:45 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I voted Yes.

As a political entity, the US went out of their way to deserve that and much more.

But I agree, none of the individuals who died deserved it personally. Innocent people never deserve to suffer, that's damn right, and it's right anywhere in the world. Almost 3000 innocent people died as a reaction to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people all over the world in recent decades, who died directly or indirectly because of US interests and involvement.
And after 9/11, more innocent people died as a reaction to the deaths of almost 3000 innocent people who died in the attacks.

Where's this going to end? Stop the madness!


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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2945978 - 07/30/04 08:05 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

People had to see that it is a dangerous world outside the suburbs, the cities, the country. Those people did not deserve to die but that was a wake up call. At least they didn't use a nuke, thank god.


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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2946204 - 07/30/04 09:35 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

DieCommie said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Deserve it???? Go fuck yourself for even asking.


I second that notion. What does this have to do with politics? Go take your hatred to OTD.




And I third. I know it's hard for you to comprehend with you not believing in such arcane notions of right and wrong, but purposely taking an innocent civilian's life because of circumstances out of their control is evil.

I've not seen you post much in here. I hope nothing changes.


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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2946277 - 07/30/04 10:04 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

That kind of question normally pops up on Wahhabi forums, not a place like the Shroomery.

But, in retrospect how does one go about bringing justice against the United States for its sins?


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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Zahid]
    #2946794 - 07/31/04 01:16 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

How does one go about bringing justice against the United States for its sins?



Quote:

That kind of question normally pops up on Wahhabi forums, not a place like the Shroomery.




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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2949639 - 07/31/04 08:40 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Wow, I would have thaught that there were going to be "we deserved it" votes.....just with the type of crowd SShroomery sometimes has.


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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2949665 - 07/31/04 08:58 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

"Deserve it???? Go fuck yourself for even asking."
i'll third the notion.


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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: spock]
    #2949679 - 07/31/04 09:01 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Free country, go fuck yourself for even thinking that I cant ask about anything I want! If it werent for people asking questions, we'd have alot more 9/11's thats for sure. And this is completely a speculative question anyways, so why bust a nut over it.


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Edited by Northernsoul (07/31/04 09:03 PM)


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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2949681 - 07/31/04 09:02 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Disappointed that only 8 people agree with fanatical religious killing of 3000 innocent people? Im disgusted that 8 people feel the so-called crimes of America warrant mass slaughter of innocent men women and children. Maybe if you go to your local Wahabii forums, youll get the consensus you want.


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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #2949690 - 07/31/04 09:06 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

in a way, Yes.

but it's too bad relatively innocent people had to die instead of the fucks who actually implement the murderous forgein policies.


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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: DieCommie]
    #2949719 - 07/31/04 09:14 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Its not nice seeing anyone suffer like that, and it was something that definately sucked, but welcome to the rest of the world. What makes 3000 americans any different than 3000 chinese or 3000 africans being slaughtered?
The world can be an ugly place, and people dont have to accept america if they dont want to, and its up to them if they want to see america go down, and its up to us to ask ourselve why, and if it makes sense why they hate us. If the goverment of the states deserved this or not is painful question, just as painful as some Iraqi person asking if (they) Iraq, deserved to be ambushed and have thier innocent people killed....Some will say: "yes" over there and have many patriotic Iraquis agree or disagree with them on thier Iraqi Shroomery!
The States isnt special, and its people, and how they die, and why they die isnt any different than any other race of people dying in the crossfire that certain politics, agrivation, and provocative actions other countrys decide to make.
So yes, I will ask if we deserve it in a speculative sense, and hope that the questions we ask may save more lives in the future, and that these human beings in the states didnt die in vain, like so many other people caught in political crossfire around the world are...


Edited by Northernsoul (07/31/04 09:18 PM)


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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: tyke]
    #2949726 - 07/31/04 09:16 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

So their murderous ways are justified because of our murderous ways?

And what is this murderous forgein poloicy that warrnets the killing people who you call "relatively innocent"?

From what i see, the Mid East has some of the most murderous foreign policies in the world.


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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: DieCommie]
    #2949739 - 07/31/04 09:20 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

you win.



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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: tyke]
    #2949762 - 07/31/04 09:27 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Awww comon tyke, i really want to know what foreign policy you were referring too...


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Re: 9/11 Did the states deserve it? [Re: DieCommie]
    #2949767 - 07/31/04 09:28 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

So their murderous ways are justified because of our murderous ways?


Me:Yes

And what is this murderous forgein poloicy that warrnets the killing people who you call "relatively innocent"?

Written or unwritten?




From what i see, the Mid East has some of the most murderous foreign policies in the world.

Thats because they are different, they have a different culture. And I notice that we cant accept thiers, and they cant accept ours. Its kinda like thy are fighting for the survival of thier culture. We fight for our survival of our culture too. They have thier ways, and so do we.
I just think that who are we tio say we are right? Of course if we want to win, we have to believe in ourselves, but no matter what, lots of people are going to die.

So what can we do? Tones of possibilities, but most of them are not in our nature (human nature).....sucks hey? But thier might be some that I havent thaught of, lotta smart people out there. But how do we get everyone on the same page hey? No easy answers, and alot of painful facts out there. Such is life. Reality is rough to think aboiut sometimes.....but everyone reality is different....this can go on forever. So one can just forget about it and ignore it, thats what I do sometimes, it works! No matter if its productive or not....and sometimes I think about it, and its fun asking what others think. Its like therapy....talk therapy...lol.


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