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InvisibleEvolving
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Re: New Laws Against Animal Rights Activists [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #2945453 - 07/30/04 03:30 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

If animal research is pointless, I'm sure that greedy producers of medicines and medical procedures wouldn't waste their time on such research. Contrary to your knee jerk emotional reaction, much animal research is beneficial and has helped save countless human lives.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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Re: New Laws Against Animal Rights Activists [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #2945456 - 07/30/04 03:31 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Has anyone seen 28 Days Later?


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Re: New Laws Against Animal Rights Activists [Re: Tao]
    #2945472 - 07/30/04 03:32 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

First, the methodical use of animals in biomedical research has been going on for over 100 years, and it has dramatically increased since the late 1940s. If, in fact, animal research were the all-important ray of hope that defenders say it is, shouldn't we be seeing more evidence of this today? Literally billions of animals have suffered and died, allegedly to save the lives of humans and to make those lives more livable, yet the majority of deadly diseases are still going strong, wreaking havoc all around us. Cancers, heart and lung diseases, diabetes, cystic fibrosis, multiple sclerosis, muscular dystrophy, etc. How can a method that has failed so miserably be considered such a vital link to success?


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Re: New Laws Against Animal Rights Activists [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #2945487 - 07/30/04 03:36 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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rogue_pixie said:
First, the methodical use of animals in biomedical research has been going on for over 100 years, and it has dramatically increased since the late 1940s. If, in fact, animal research were the all-important ray of hope that defenders say it is, shouldn't we be seeing more evidence of this today? Literally billions of animals have suffered and died, allegedly to save the lives of humans and to make those lives more livable, yet the majority of deadly diseases are still going strong, wreaking havoc all around us. Cancers, heart and lung diseases, diabetes, cystic fibrosis, multiple sclerosis, muscular dystrophy, etc. How can a method that has failed so miserably be considered such a vital link to success?




Of course! Life expectancy is at an all time low in human history I believe. I've never heard of a vaccination preventing a disease or a medicine helping cure one.

/sarcasm

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Re: New Laws Against Animal Rights Activists [Re: Tao]
    #2945500 - 07/30/04 03:40 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit y'know.


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Re: New Laws Against Animal Rights Activists [Re: Tao]
    #2945505 - 07/30/04 03:41 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Damn, you beat me to it.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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Re: New Laws Against Animal Rights Activists [Re: Evolving]
    #2945508 - 07/30/04 03:42 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

And I beat Zahid :smile:

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Re: New Laws Against Animal Rights Activists [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #2945512 - 07/30/04 03:44 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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yet the majority of deadly diseases are still going strong




???? What the hell are you talking about?

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Re: New Laws Against Animal Rights Activists [Re: Evolving]
    #2945525 - 07/30/04 03:48 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Animal research is inherently unethical, inevitably wasteful, and wholly unreliable. The U.S. alone squanders billions per year on animal experiments, much of which is funded by taxpayers, even though alternatives are less expensive and can be used repeatedly. And what do we get for our money? Too much suffering for too little knowledge.


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Re: New Laws Against Animal Rights Activists [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #2945539 - 07/30/04 03:52 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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Animal research is inherently unethical, inevitably wasteful, and wholly unreliable. The U.S. alone squanders billions per year on animal experiments, much of which is funded by taxpayers, even though alternatives are less expensive and can be used repeatedly. And what do we get for our money? Too much suffering for too little knowledge.




Please try to follow this rule at least once:

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Re: New Laws Against Animal Rights Activists [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #2945544 - 07/30/04 03:54 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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rogue_pixie said:
Animal research is inherently unethical,



Not if your ethics involve saving human lives.

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... inevitably wasteful, and wholly unreliable.



Then WHY do greedy people 'waste' their money on it?

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... even though alternatives are less expensive and can be used repeatedly.



If you're so smart, why don't you start a pharmaceutical company or a medical device company that can do it cheaper and better without animals. Again, why don't theses 'greedy' people do it your way if it's better?

Your unfounded assertions are getting tiresome. What is your background in biology and medical technology?


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Edited by Evolving (07/30/04 03:56 PM)

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Re: New Laws Against Animal Rights Activists [Re: Tao]
    #2945547 - 07/30/04 03:55 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

I don't follow rules, I'm an anarchist :wink:


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Re: New Laws Against Animal Rights Activists [Re: Evolving]
    #2945548 - 07/30/04 03:55 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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You unfounded assertions are getting tiresome. What is your background in biology and medical technology?



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Re: New Laws Against Animal Rights Activists [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #2945551 - 07/30/04 03:57 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

rogue_pixie said:
I don't follow rules, I'm an anarchist :wink:




Clearly not even the basic rules of logic...

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Re: New Laws Against Animal Rights Activists [Re: Evolving]
    #2945555 - 07/30/04 03:58 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

My background is absolutely irrelevant.

I'd like to see people like you used as test subjects though :wink:


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Re: New Laws Against Animal Rights Activists [Re: Tao]
    #2945561 - 07/30/04 03:58 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Logic is over rated.


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Re: New Laws Against Animal Rights Activists [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #2945575 - 07/30/04 04:02 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Go to your room


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Re: New Laws Against Animal Rights Activists [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #2945578 - 07/30/04 04:02 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

rogue_pixie said:
My background is absolutely irrelevant.



It's quite relevant seeing as you are making assertions with nothing to back them up.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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Re: New Laws Against Animal Rights Activists [Re: Evolving]
    #2945588 - 07/30/04 04:04 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Go and stuff your face with dead cow.


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Re: New Laws Against Animal Rights Activists [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #2945591 - 07/30/04 04:04 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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rogue_pixie said:
Logic is over rated.



A rationalization from one who is unable to master it. AKA: 'sour grapes.'


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