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InvisibleEvolving
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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2940258 - 07/29/04 11:17 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

You can be fiscally conservative without being socially conservative. An example, The Log Cabin Republicans.


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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2940267 - 07/29/04 11:20 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

censorship - PMRC (Parent Music Resourse Center) Headed m=by Tipper Gore. Don't be fooled, both sides want censorship

abortion - Abortion is a 50/50 debate with both sides having their points.

stem cell research - This is where I think the republicans are way off base.

drug laws - (real liberals want decrim and legalization) - Where are these "real" Liberals? Real Republicans would be against drug laws as well. Neither side has "real" anything

gay marriage - I'm up in the air with this one but I don't have a prob with Gay people (even though it disgusts me)

religion + gov't (republican party in texas have adopted the statement that we ARe a christian country into their platform) - You also have to include the Leftist push to eliminate Religion from most social activities.

enviroment - (not really a social issue) This is a funny one because I would never consider myself Left leaning and have many friends in the same boat as I. They all love the environment and things to make it cleaner, but what many Liberals lack in this topic is common sense. One only has to look at how California is affecting the Fishing sport within it's state.


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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: Evolving]
    #2940272 - 07/29/04 11:22 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

im am however not totally fiscally conservative...i believe in a balance, the extreme fiscal left is communism the extreme right is total libretarianism...i think a balance is ideal

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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #2940278 - 07/29/04 11:23 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

oh please.... :rolleyes:


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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2940295 - 07/29/04 11:27 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

What? I thought you were interested.


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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #2940321 - 07/29/04 11:33 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

I was referring to your self importance.

I'll bite. What are your beliefs?

Social issues
Private issues
Healthcare issues
Defense issues
Constitutional Issues

actually pick anyone you want. We can discuss it here through a new thread or IM.


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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2940338 - 07/29/04 11:37 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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im am however not totally fiscally conservative...i believe in a balance, the extreme fiscal left is communism the extreme right is total libretarianism...i think a balance is ideal



Completely balanced? A very compelling case can be made for much more of an inclination to the right than to the left on fiscal issues, as the initial study I posted showed.


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?When Alexander the Great visted the philosopher Diogenes and asked whether he could do anything for him, Diogenes is said to have replied: 'Yes, stand a little less between me and the sun.' It is what every citizen is entitled to ask of his government.?
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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2940447 - 07/29/04 12:06 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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Ancalagon said:
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im am however not totally fiscally conservative...i believe in a balance, the extreme fiscal left is communism the extreme right is total libretarianism...i think a balance is ideal



Completely balanced? A very compelling case can be made for much more of an inclination to the right than to the left on fiscal issues, as the initial study I posted showed.




I think that both communism and capitalism are too idealistic to work out in real life in their pure forms. The success of our current society is a testament to the value of balance, as I dont believe we have ever been 100% capitalist or 100% communist. Though the pendulum does tend to swing to and fro in the course of time.

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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2940572 - 07/29/04 12:43 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Self Importance? Why? I am important, like everyone else.

Anyhow, I was referring more to any specific questions you had in mind.


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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2940578 - 07/29/04 12:46 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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Innvertigo said:gay marriage - I'm up in the air with this one but I don't have a prob with Gay people (even though it disgusts me)




Why does it disgust you?

Bet you wouldn't say no to seeing a bit of girl on girl action.  :wink:


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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #2940627 - 07/29/04 12:59 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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Why does it disgust you?




Because I like women

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Bet you wouldn't say no to seeing a bit of girl on girl action.




2 women make me twice as happy.


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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2940640 - 07/29/04 01:02 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

So would it be okay for lesbians to marry but not gay men?


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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #2940674 - 07/29/04 01:10 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

I don't care what they do really. Even the gay men. The fact still remains how I feel about the act of being gay (men). What's your point?


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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2940678 - 07/29/04 01:11 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

all men should be gay...then i could s3xxx0r all the bitches

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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2940680 - 07/29/04 01:12 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

I think it's incredibly hypocritical.


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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #2940685 - 07/29/04 01:14 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

What's hypocritical?


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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2940690 - 07/29/04 01:15 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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all men should be gay...then i could s3xxx0r all the bitches




wouldn't that make you gay then?


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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2940694 - 07/29/04 01:15 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

The fact that you think gay sex is disgusting but not lesbian sex, it just doesn't add up. There's nothing digusting about any of it, it's part of life, deal with it like a proper realist.


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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #2940727 - 07/29/04 01:22 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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The fact that you think gay sex is disgusting but not lesbian sex, it just doesn't add up




I find sex with women when they're on their period discusting as well. Does that make me a hypocrite because I still want to have sex with them? Try again ace.

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There's nothing digusting about any of it, it's part of life, deal with it like a proper realist.




that's your opinion and you're entitled to it, just like a realist. It is part of life but then again so is sweatshps, rape, murder, pedaphilia, and beastility. You see in the real world we have the right to accept things even though we don't agree with it. I have no problem with people being gay, just don't expect me to support or understand it.


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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2940741 - 07/29/04 01:25 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it...

Just remember, gay people have just as much rights as anyone else.


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