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InvisibleKingOftheThing
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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2940145 - 07/29/04 10:48 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

i dont think people in 3rd world countries working 14hours a day sewing nikes want to sit on their asses with their hands out...they just dont have a chance... can u imagine working an eighty hour week and still not even being able to afford a snickers bar?

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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2940162 - 07/29/04 10:52 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

for every sweat shop that is beating workers and otherwise
treating them poorly, there are probably 5 others filled with
people who are grateful to have a job and some income.

maybe the people in costa rica work for what would appear
to be small change to us in america, but that money buys
a lot of lobster and casado in their country.

if you don't like corporate sweatshop labor and the way they
treat their workers, I'm sure you'll stop buying your abercrombie
pants, your gap shirts and your nice new sneakers.


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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2940166 - 07/29/04 10:52 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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i dont think people in 3rd world countries working 14hours a day sewing nikes want to sit on their asses with their hands out




Did I say that? I don't think there should ever be sweat shops. How did you come up withy this analogy? I'm referring to thos that want to sit on their asses and bitch that they aren't making the same amount as the guy who works hard and earns his/her money.


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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2940169 - 07/29/04 10:53 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

That's the difference between you and I. Whilst you are happy to settle for your lot and let the people in power fuck you and the world over good and proper, with your so very down to earth "realist" attitude, which you know, that's all fine. But don't knock others who are actually striving to do something about it.


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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2940184 - 07/29/04 10:56 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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Innvertigo said:
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i dont think people in 3rd world countries working 14hours a day sewing nikes want to sit on their asses with their hands out




Did I say that? I don't think there should ever be sweat shops. How did you come up withy this analogy? I'm referring to thos that want to sit on their asses and bitch that they aren't making the same amount as the guy who works hard and earns his/her money.




well i think we both agree that welfare moms popping out babies to make money are a drain on our society. welfare needs to be reformed, for sure.

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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2940193 - 07/29/04 10:59 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Welfare mums aren't the problem. The real drains on the world are the people in power, sucking the Earth and its resources dry.


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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #2940195 - 07/29/04 10:59 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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That's the difference between you and I. Whilst you are happy to settle for your lot and let the people in power fuck you and the world over good and proper, with your so very down to earth "realist" attitude, which you know, that's all fine. But don't knock others who are actually striving to do something about it.




So you know me know eh? I never settle and when exactly did I knock someone?

What are YOU doing about it? hmmm? All I see from you so far is that the people in the world that work hard should support those that don't (and I'm not reffering to those that are genuinlly poor). Personally I don't think you are doing anything about the world you live in. When I see someone power fucking someone, I find ways to deal with that asshole by NOT doing that when I get into a position of power. You remind me a lot of Doctor J in the way that when confronted with a challenge it's better to not be challenged then to actually do something about it.

But i'm basing my observations on your posts


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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #2940199 - 07/29/04 11:00 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

uh oh, there's a new liberal on the board.

time for the conservatives to throw one of their famous 'blanket parties'.

fresh fish

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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2940207 - 07/29/04 11:02 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

I agree, I DO NOT like people bitching in this country about how shitty life is when they make no effort to better themselves. It kills me when I see someone on welfare because they are honestly having a hard time in life (I am all for helping those people). I am not for free handouts. If this society was like the caveman days that person with his/her hand out would be dead along side of the road.


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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2940213 - 07/29/04 11:04 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think he is a Liberal as much as an Anarchist.


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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2940215 - 07/29/04 11:05 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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Innvertigo said:
I agree, I DO NOT like people bitching in this country about how shitty live is when they make no effort to beeter themselves.  It kills me when I see someone on welfare because they are honestly having a hard time in life (I am all for helping those people).  I am not for free handouts.  If this society was like the caveman days that person with his/her hand out would be dead along side of the road.




exactly, fiscal conservatives have SOME good ideas..however their views on social issues make me sick. i wish some party had a good balance...fact is, both parties are controlled by the special interests :frown:

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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #2940218 - 07/29/04 11:06 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

What would a realistically ideal world look like to you? I say realistically because I would consider myself an Anarchist in fantasy-land. If human beings did not have the tendency to initiate force and fraud against one another, there would be absolutely no need for government in my mind. Unfortunately that is not how the world works. Anarchy would not long endure with humans as they are.


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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2940222 - 07/29/04 11:07 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

There always has to be one, every time, who asks "what are you doing about it?". I don't see how it's relevant to the discussion but I do participate in a lot of activism - for the record.

What I said was based on your post aimed toward me about "burying my head in the sand".


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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2940223 - 07/29/04 11:07 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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both parties are controlled by the special interests




Unfortunatly that is true.

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fiscal conservatives have SOME good ideas..however their views on social issues make me sick




give me a short example if you don't mind


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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2940224 - 07/29/04 11:07 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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Ancalagon said:
What would a realistically ideal world look like to you? I say realistically because I would consider myself an Anarchist in fantasy-land. If human beings did not have the tendency to initiate force and fraud against one another, there would be absolutely no need for government in my mind. Unfortunately that is not how the world works. Anarchy would not long endure with humans as they are.




agreed  :thumbup: anarchy is unfortunatly not a realistic option

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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2940227 - 07/29/04 11:08 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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exactly, fiscal conservatives have SOME good ideas..however their views on social issues make me sick. i wish some party had a good balance...fact is, both parties are controlled by the special interests



Where you wrote 'fiscal conservatives', did you mean Republicans? No social positions are implied when someone is referred to as a fiscal conservative so it is erroneous to say that their social issues make you sick.


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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2940237 - 07/29/04 11:11 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Who else here is an anarchist?

I'm a girlywhirly.


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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #2940238 - 07/29/04 11:11 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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There always has to be one, every time, who asks "what are you doing about it?".




yet you claim others aren't because they don't participate in your "activism". hmmmph.

I have no problem calling people out on this. Apparantly there are others who have asked you the same thing since you seem to be full of ideas but no solutions. (short of giving all our possesions away)


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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2940243 - 07/29/04 11:12 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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give me a short example if you don't mind




social issues conservative republicans promote that make me sick:

- censorship
- abortion
- stem cell research
- drug laws (real liberals want decrim and legalization)
- gay marriage
- religion + gov't (republican party in texas have adopted the statement that we ARe a christian country into theit platform)
- enviroment

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Re: fiscal conservatism [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2940256 - 07/29/04 11:16 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Patience, my dear! I'm busy with a lot of other topics.

If you have any questions about my beliefs feel free to ask and I will answer them as best as I can. :smile:


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