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InvisibleKingOftheThing
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Question for Bush Voters??
    #2937777 - 07/28/04 09:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Now I am an admitted liberal (however i do not agree with the level of gun control many libs do), but I did not always loath republicans. Righ now I have a fiery hatered for most of the Republican party. This is because of their pandering to the far right christian conservatives. These people are hateful fanatics. They want some decisions of our government to be made strictly on the basis of religion. On the christian channel I get they are telling people God wants you to vote for Bush. They hate gays and believe they are an "abomination" or something (thats what these preachers say). I thought it was clearly stated that we must keep religion seperate from the state. One of the things Kerry said that I admire is he is christian but will keep his religous beliefs out of policy. I wish sober conservatives (the ones not high on jesus) would stray away from the republicans into the Libertarian party or even form a new one. These G.W. Bush loving christians want a theocracy and to send us back to the dark ages. They want to do with porno, eradicate drugs and stifle science.


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Re: Question for Bush Voters?? [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2937802 - 07/28/04 09:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I've always hated Republicans, but lately have gotten more and more disgusted with the Democrats as well. I now see them both as threats to freedom, just in different areas. Republicans need to get out of people's bedrooms, while Democrats need to get out of people's pocketbooks. I still like Kerry better than Bush, but I've decided I'm not voting for either one of those assholes.


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Re: Question for Bush Voters?? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2937823 - 07/28/04 09:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i don't think kerry is an "asshole"...we need to protect the enviroment and put a cap on the deficit. As far as "staying out of pocketbooks" remember the New Deal that bailed us out of the depression?? those social programs that helped us were brought about by liberals. Do you really want the gov't to cut them out?? leaving people to fend for themselves is a mistake.


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Re: Question for Bush Voters?? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2937856 - 07/28/04 09:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

SS7, you have a valid opinion, but I must ask...would you rather endure 4 more years of Bush or 4 with Kerry?  If it still doesn't matter to you, then how about voting in favor of who your friends might choose?

So, what do ya say, buddy-o-pal  :laugh:


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Re: Question for Bush Voters?? [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2937862 - 07/28/04 09:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The New Deal didn't bring us out of the Depression. WW2 did. And if you think leaving people to fend for themselves is a mistake, I have to wonder how you think people have managed to survive for all these years. I agree with you about the environment and deficit, tho.


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Re: Question for Bush Voters?? [Re: Viaggio]
    #2937868 - 07/28/04 09:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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viaggio said:
SS7, you have a valid opinion, but I must ask...would you rather endure 4 more years of Bush or 4 with Kerry?  If it still doesn't matter to you, then how about voting in favor of who your friends might choose?

So, what do ya say, buddy-o-pal  :laugh:



Since I live in California, which will go to Kerry anyway, I'd rather make a statement and vote libertarian.


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Re: Question for Bush Voters?? [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2937870 - 07/28/04 09:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The "New Deal" bailed us out of the depression? Are you fucking kidding? We're still paying for that fucking horror show. The depression ended as part of a natural economic cycle. Roosevelt was there, much as Forrest Gump and Chauncey (the)Gardener.


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Re: Question for Bush Voters?? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2937888 - 07/28/04 09:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

wow you are really un-educated..take a history class
http://us.history.wisc.edu/hist102/lectures/lecture19.html

"The stock market crash of 1929 was an indication of serious, underlying problems in the United States economy, but it was not the sole cause of the Great Depression. The Crash merely made the cracks in America's superficial prosperity much more obvious. And, since the causes of the economic crises were complex, the solution to the economic problems facing the United States would be complicated as well. This lecture examines the first few years of President Franklin D. Roosevelt's administration, the New Deal, and the federal government's attempt to lift America out of the Depression."


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Re: Question for Bush Voters?? [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2937889 - 07/28/04 09:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

KingOftheThing said:
i don't think kerry is an "asshole"...we need to protect the enviroment and put a cap on the deficit. As far as "staying out of pocketbooks" remember the New Deal that bailed us out of the depression?? those social programs that helped us were brought about by liberals. Do you really want the gov't to cut them out?? leaving people to fend for themselves is a mistake.





The socialist "new deal" only prolonged the great depression. The despression ended because of WW2. And yes i want them cut out.


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Re: Question for Bush Voters?? [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2937897 - 07/28/04 09:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

KingOftheThing said:
wow you are really un-educated..take a history class
http://us.history.wisc.edu/hist102/lectures/lecture19.html

"The stock market crash of 1929 was an indication of serious, underlying problems in the United States economy, but it was not the sole cause of the Great Depression. The Crash merely made the cracks in America's superficial prosperity much more obvious. And, since the causes of the economic crises were complex, the solution to the economic problems facing the United States would be complicated as well. This lecture examines the first few years of President Franklin D. Roosevelt's administration, the New Deal, and the federal government's attempt to lift America out of the Depression."




OMG its on the internet it must be true.


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Re: Question for Bush Voters?? [Re: d33p]
    #2937902 - 07/28/04 09:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

its a United States History lecture.... just because a guy named d33p and some dude that thinks frank zappa is god dont agree with US history doesnt mean it isnt true...find fact to the contrary


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Re: Question for Bush Voters?? [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2937914 - 07/28/04 09:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Well it can argued whether the "new deal" prolonged or helped the great depression but it is an un-deniable fact that WW2 ended the depression not the "new deal."


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Re: Question for Bush Voters?? [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2937919 - 07/28/04 09:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

history is often a matter of opinion. I've heard good arguements on either side of the whole 'what caused and what solved the depression' issue, and I honestly cant say that I know the answer because I wasnt there. The only thing I have to go on is the testimony of other people. And we all know people are liars with their own agendas.

but either way, even if WW2 ended the depression, it was still a massive expenditure of government funds which solved the problem.


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Re: Question for Bush Voters?? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2937942 - 07/28/04 10:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Cali resident, eh?  You're right, Kerry's got that hands down.  But I'm curious, so here's a "what if."  Say you lived in Ohio...4 with Bush, 4 with Kerry, or help a brother out?  Actually, anyone with SS7's perspective on the candidate can answer this.

Thanks :smile:


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Re: Question for Bush Voters?? [Re: Viaggio]
    #2937967 - 07/28/04 10:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I have said before that if I lived in a swing state, I'd vote for Kerry. Thankfully, I don't.


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Re: Question for Bush Voters?? [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2937968 - 07/28/04 10:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

What was the unemployment rate before WWII? Had it dipped back down to pre-depression levels? Had asset values returned to their pre-depression levels? If they did not, you'll have a difficult time proving with facts and figures that FDR's New Deal pulled the U.S. out of the great depression. Please try.


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Re: Question for Bush Voters?? [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2937979 - 07/28/04 10:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I really have to disagree that it was ANY government spending that ended the depression. It was a natural cyclical upturn that followed a natural, though exaggerated, downturn. We are still paying for Roosevelt's Ponzi scheme.

I've read plenty of history and you have no business making a remark about my screen name. King of the Thing indeed. You sound like an arrogant fascist. All hail KOTT, he knows what is best


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Re: Question for Bush Voters?? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2938024 - 07/28/04 10:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

lol yeah I'm a fascist!! Heil BUSH!!! the new deal started its first programs around 1933-34 as u can see unemployment decreased

Number Of Unemployed Americans:

1929 2.6 million
1933 15 million
1935 11 million
1937 8.3 million
1938 10.5 million
1939 9.2 million
1940 8 million

"For GDP - this is usually taken as key pointer in a nation's economic health - 1933 to 1939 witnessed a 60% increase; the amount of consumer products bought increased by 40% while private investment in industry increased by 5 times in just six years."

yes people were still out of work but at least 5million new jobs were created


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Re: Question for Bush Voters?? [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2938049 - 07/28/04 10:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Correlation does not equal causality. One could just as easily argue that hemlines influenced the Dow. For fifty years hemlines at the fashion shows pretty closely reflected the Dow. When they went up the Dow went up. When they went down the Dow went down. You can look it up.


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Re: Question for Bush Voters?? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2938142 - 07/28/04 11:14 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Right on.  BTW, sorry for the brief hijack, King  :wink:


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