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KoRn, Linkin Park, ......
#2932472 - 07/27/04 12:44 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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These bands kick ass, I love the hard head-banging drum patterns and eerie guitar tunes they produce..
Anyone know of any specific good songs from these groups, or any other groups that make similar music?
Also, you know of any good places to download free music? I had kazaa but took it out because of all that court case shit with the big music companies (fuckin pricks, ill never pay for music, hehehehe )
Haha, thanks guys.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: TrauM]
#2932946 - 07/27/04 02:31 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Korn is a great band, can't say the same for linkin park though; they kinda suck....For korn get One (metallica cover), ADIDAS, Blind, Dead Bodies Everywhere, Falling Away From Me, Freak On a Leash, Good God, Got The Life, Make Me Bad, Thoughtless, Wake Up, Ball Tongue, Swallow, Alone I Break, Ya'll Want A Single, and for some cool sounding vocals get Twist and X-Mas Song.
lots of amazing songs
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: TrauM]
#2932956 - 07/27/04 02:33 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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tadoomboptadoompop budeema twist
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: acoostick]
#2933024 - 07/27/04 02:43 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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i think Korn and Linkin Park sucks
but OLD Korn is good.. their first CDs were good. my favorite is "chi"
my theory is when they stopped doing drugs, they started sucking.
and look up soulseek for a file sharing program. its very good.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: plexus]
#2933780 - 07/27/04 06:06 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Korns first album is the best. I was into these guys for years, and then stopped listening to rock pretty much all together.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: plexus]
#2935084 - 07/27/04 11:44 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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plexus said: my theory is when they stopped doing drugs, they started sucking.
The most classic example of that is Stone Temple Pilots. What an awesome band that went really shitty. I got Korns first album and liked it back in the day. Haven't listened to them much in the past five or so years. Some stuff by Linkin Park is alright I guess, but most of it seems like pop shit. By that, I mean that it relies too much on sounding catchy. Just my opinion though.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: acoostick]
#2935440 - 07/28/04 02:51 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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lol, hot song right there
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: phalloidin]
#2935442 - 07/28/04 02:53 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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what do you mean stopped doing drugs? Scott Weiland was doing drugs on and off throughout STP's entire career.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: TrauM]
#2935900 - 07/28/04 10:36 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Korn's early stuff rocks, but they started to suck later on. Linkin Park has always sucked.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: Locus]
#2936032 - 07/28/04 11:29 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Locus said: what do you mean stopped doing drugs? Scott Weiland was doing drugs on and off throughout STP's entire career.
this is true...
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: TrauM]
#2936062 - 07/28/04 11:37 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Linkin Park is pure shit, havent really listened to Korn enough to know what they are really like.
But if you want good music download some TOOL that is some LSD/Shroom/Peyote influenced rock music with weird drums and errie guitars. With deep deep lyrics that take a long time of looking into to figure out the meanings.
And if Tool is to heavy try A Perfect Circle same singer but its a totally different band that makes the most beautiful haunting music ever.
Or try Kyuss!!! Its Queens of the Stoneages old band. The genre is stoner rock and its simple fucking head banging shit. Its kinda like black sabbath but more rocking
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: LthirdSeyeD]
#2936080 - 07/28/04 11:46 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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You should listen to more Korn.
But, Tool is the most advanced band ever, IMHO. The memebers just seem to come together perfectly and make music beyond anything.
I used to think they were just some other band untill I took the time to really LISTEN to them. If you do as well you wont be disapointed. It makes no differance what kind of music you listen too, at least one tool song will tap into your emotions and release you. Then they will just get better and better and it wont make sence untill you are there.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: plexus]
#2936106 - 07/28/04 11:56 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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i think Korn and Linkin Park sucks
we are in agreement.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: TrauM]
#2936149 - 07/28/04 12:10 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think Linkin Park has good energy, they're not great at all though.
Not that I'd choose to listen to them but I can take it if I have to :P
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: barfightlard]
#2936887 - 07/28/04 03:20 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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I agree.. [understatement]Tool kicks the crap out of Korn and Linkin park.[/understatement]
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: TrauM]
#2936896 - 07/28/04 03:24 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Tool is my fucking favorite band ever. I spend so much time listening to them cuz their songs have so much going on at one time you gotta listen very very careful.
If you have ever heard Led Zeppelin's No Quarter which is a beautiful and amazing song. Tool redid and made it so fucking amazing. It almost surpasses the orginal. I listen to that song alot because Tool is known to put hidden messages on songs and this song has a very long hidden message. It's probably the secret of life, thats how fucking good Tool is.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: TrauM]
#2937079 - 07/28/04 04:22 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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I F**KING love korn, linkin park, tool, stp. I think they're all awesome. As far as picking just a few particular songs of theirs that are good. I couldn't do that. I like all linkin park.
I agree with bellylard with ONE. Korn did a fanf**kingtastic job with that one!
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: CaRnAgECaNdY]
#2937111 - 07/28/04 04:30 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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I enjoy Tool's music a lot, I don't really dig the lyrical content however.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: Digs]
#2937255 - 07/28/04 05:11 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Whats wrong with the lyrics. Maynards older stuff was very dark. But the cd Lateralus shows that he has matured and isn't angry with the world or hes not gonna complain anymore. It also has alot of buddhism in it and lyrics about growth spiritual and as a person and what not. Songs that are about being alive and well.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: LthirdSeyeD]
#2937820 - 07/28/04 07:35 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yea it all seems too just
I dunno, obvious.
I haven't listened to Lateralus as much for the lyrics, I should go back and do that.
But the impression I get from the Tool I've heard is,
"I'm crying because daddy raped me then I did some mushrooms look what I figured out"
That being said the music fucking rocks.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: Digs]
#2938754 - 07/28/04 11:14 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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HEH Lateralus has lines like
"Embrace this moment. Remember. We are eternal. All this pain is an illusion."
But yea their old stuff was him crying about his dad sodomizing him and what not
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: Locus]
#2939206 - 07/29/04 01:50 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah he's been in and out of rehab. I guess I just remember them coming out with a new album after him supposedly cleaning up, and it really sucked. I think towards the end though, he was just a heroin junkie. Not a very productive substance. Whatever the case, something happened that caused them to start sucking really bad.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: LthirdSeyeD]
#2939334 - 07/29/04 03:00 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
LthirdSeyeD said:"Embrace this moment. Remember. We are eternal. All this pain is an illusion."
That's what I mean by too blatent. I dunno it just kind of turns me off.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: Digs]
#2939970 - 07/29/04 10:13 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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There blatent because your suppose to ingest large amounts of mushrooms and try and figure what the hell he is talking about
LOL
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: Digs]
#2941389 - 07/29/04 04:21 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: LthirdSeyeD]
#2944205 - 07/30/04 10:35 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't know if this has been posted here and I know you hardcore tool fans will hate it, but it's funny as hell and makes some good points . Tool is a decent band, but they are waaaaay over rated IMO. Not too bad considering the current crop of mainstream US rock/metal bands, I can actually stand listening to them for a while and will concede that they do have some talent, but I can't help but laugh when people proclaim them to be things like 'the most advanced band ever' . Not that this will change anyone's opinion, but I thought it was relevant eh.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: spores]
#2944292 - 07/30/04 11:01 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think that guys just mad because he can't get into the music as much as others. "A lot of Tool fans also like to talk about what an amazing drummer Danny Carey is just because he can do weird time signatures and that really fast prog-rock thumpa thumpa thumpa thing" thats just BS, sure he does those things, but you can't deny he is a VERY incredible drummer. Ya alot of the fans are dicks and proclaim maynard god, i think thats stupid. I don't know what it is, but I can connect with their music more than any other band i've heard. I can't believe he says 46 & 2 is a catchy pop single. What a dick. He also says we think tool is a band for smart people. I don't think i'm smart. I'm a drop out, worethless waste of a human. I know lots of not "smart" people who like tool. And it's only the idiot maynard is god fans, who give him grounds to say that shit. Im curious, what kind of music or bands does this shmuck listen to.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: LthirdSeyeD]
#2944359 - 07/30/04 11:27 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fuck Korn and linkin park,Old korn Anyway,I'm more into Superjoint ritual,Pantera,E-town,SLayer...and definently tool.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: barfightlard]
#2944422 - 07/30/04 11:50 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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well, I don't see why he would be mad about 'not being able to get into the music', though I see how it's easier to discredit what he wrote if you actually believe that . Is it such a stretch to think that he honestly dislikes the music? Or is tool just too great to not like ? it was just an opinion essay, meant mostly to piss rabid tool fans off. I think the mention of intelligence was mostly for that reason, I think it's obvious there's no correllation between what bands you listen to and how smart you are to the author and anyone else. As for carey, he's decent, I wouldn't say incredible (overrated is more accurate), I've heard a good number of drummers I would say are better (outside of jazz/fusion/prog etc., where he really wouldn't even hold a candle to the competition). I'm not trying to say tool is total and utter garbage or anyone should stop listening to them, just that the constant deification of them by fans on these boards and others borders on self-parody. That being said, you're of course free to listen and do as you please . Carry on. DH
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: spores]
#2944438 - 07/30/04 11:55 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wanna hear some of these drummers! what should i download.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: barfightlard]
#2944775 - 07/30/04 12:50 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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well, I'm a guitarist, so I'm not too big on drummers anyway, and when you're talking about good musicians there will of course be disagreements. here's a short list of drummers I think are better off the top of my head though (in no particular order) Virgil Donati Martin Lopez Mike Portnoy Mark Hinneman Atma Anur dude from meshuggah dude from dillinger EP Carey is a good drummer and perfect for tool, but if you search, I guarantee you will hear drummers that blow him away IYO as well, his work is not as 'incredible' music-wise as many tool fans seem to think. Getting them to accept that isn't the easiest thing ever, but if you get into listening to really good drummers, you will find it to be true. sorry for derailing the thread, I'll stop now I will just say that for all the shit I dislike about tool, I still like them better than the bands in the original topic DH
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: spores]
#2946722 - 07/30/04 10:41 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm sorry but PORTNOY is way over rated. He might be able to double bass drum real fast but hes very boring to listen to. I think Danny Carrey is way better because he doesnt do overkill with the drumming. But he makes sure to do some amazing fills and play some very odd and hard drum beats. He is definatley one of the best drummers out there.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: LthirdSeyeD]
#2946764 - 07/30/04 11:01 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree, portnoy is overrated too. he's still on the list though (IMO) DH
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: TrauM]
#2949481 - 07/31/04 04:34 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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download bearshare... NOW!!!
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: Digs]
#2952991 - 08/01/04 05:12 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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KoRn , linkin park , staind , limp bizkit etc.. suck , its nothin but pussy ass music with no feeling no emotion ... nothin like the good old grunge days. BTW all this little fuckin punk/pop/rock 70's shit i aint feelin it , it sucks . Id execute the white stripes , Jet , the strokes and pretty much anything that starts with "The" in it . Listen to lyrics people! music is dying!
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: ]
#2957202 - 08/02/04 04:18 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree with you that music is dieing and about those bands have no real feeling or emotion, exept korn. Either you haven't heard enough of their stuff or have really "listened" to them. Their music is full of emotion and meaning. Give them another listen, you'll see.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: barfightlard]
#2957854 - 08/02/04 07:54 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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i did i have their first cd , dont know why i bought it (cuz it sucked) maybe its just , korn is too popi. music 1960-1996 R.I.P
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: ]
#2957973 - 08/02/04 08:39 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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I gu3ess you see them alot differently than I do. Whatever floats your boat!@ dumb cliche, but its a good one
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: TrauM]
#2958662 - 08/03/04 12:20 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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anything from Korn is good, I like the bass guitar playing in it the most! ..Linkin Park, ehh okay, there old stuff on the first CD is better then thier new stuff...
Edited by skunk78395 (08/03/04 01:50 AM)
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: Skunk420]
#2959491 - 08/03/04 08:39 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ya Fieldy or whatewver has a killer style, keep on slappin it.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: TrauM]
#2959915 - 08/03/04 10:54 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Korn- I liked their first two albums when I was like 16, but I never listen to that shit anymore. I guess I grew out of it. Plus, when Korn came out with that 'Got the Life' video, where they are blowing up ferraris and shit, I kind of got disillusioned with the band. Its hard to take their first couple albums seriously anymore considering the fact that they have sold out so hardcore.
Limp Bizkit- Same as Korn, really. I liked their old shit but I never listen to it anymore. I do still have very vivid memories of being in the massive stage rush which occured right when LB took the stage at the first Family Values tour. Good times. But really, I think what killed my feelings for the band was Fred Durst's media personality. He overexposed himself and I got tired of him; he's kind of annoying and egotistical.
Linkin Park- Wow, I really hated these guys when they came out. I guess I was just going with the crowd of macho assholes who refuse to admit they listen to shit like that. Also, I was skeptical of the band's intentions and talent. But all that changed when I saw them live. Linkin Park puts on a fucking badass show, every one of them is a good musician, and they all play with passion. I especially like the vocalist, I think he is really talented because he can sing smooth and then do the death metal scream on pitch which any vocalist knows is very difficult. Before I saw them live, I pictured them as a contrived studio band, but I was pleasantly surprised at their ability to reproduce the records live with great accuracy. I find a lot of meaning and emotion in their songs, especially: "Numb", "Lying Away From You", "Crawling", and "In the End". Sometimes I even detune my guitar so I can play their songs myself.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: barfightlard]
#2961613 - 08/03/04 07:41 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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exactly thats whats wrong with music fans they go for style and looks over music.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: DoctorJ]
#2962564 - 08/03/04 11:33 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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He can't change on pitch you fool. The lyrics were dumped into a computer and arranged that way.
Anyways.....Tool is awesome imo. Not overrated, but rated at the right level for such a band. If you think about it, many rock bands become overrated a lot faster than Tool has in the last 12 years.
Danny is a awesome drummer imo. Probably very close to the top of the list for best drummers, but it's all opinion when it comes down to it I suppose.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: Murex]
#2962579 - 08/03/04 11:35 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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He can't change on pitch you fool. The lyrics were dumped into a computer and arranged that way.
Before I saw them live, I pictured them as a contrived studio band, but I was pleasantly surprised at their ability to reproduce the records live with great accuracy
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: TrauM]
#3018411 - 08/18/04 01:02 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also, you know of any good places to download free music? I had kazaa but took it out because of all that court case shit with the big music companies (fuckin pricks, ill never pay for music, hehehehe )
Hey, anybody know of a good place I can score some free food? I used to steal it from the corner market but stopped because of all that shit with the owner getting pissed and chasing me down the street with a shotgun. (fuckin jerk, i'll never pay for food, tee hee)
Also, does anybody know of a good place to get some free gas? I just drove off a few times from the pump but then stopped cause of those stupid video cameras they have. (assholes, why should I pay for gas?? hehehehehe)
Hey, I was wondering too if there was a way I could maybe get some free drugs, maybe some women who'll sleep with me for free without moral obligation, maybe some free clothes off someone else's back, hell why doesn't everyone who reads this just send me some of the shit they worked hard to earn and create even though I've done nothing to deserve it and probably wouldn't even appreciate it considering that my taste is piss poor and there isn't even a trace of an advanced consciousness or thoughtfulness anywhere in my monkey thief skull?
Haha, thanks guys.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: spores]
#3019313 - 08/18/04 04:20 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dude, please. Of all those drummers you listed, not even the most skilled of them can match Danny Carey's hi hat work, his artful and sensitive ride patterns and cymbal work, the way he executes heavily syncopated yet perfectly placed transition fills, the type of thing you'd hear in the song "Jimmy" for instance. He knows when not to drop an accent. He has the ability to groove an intensely deep pocket even in really odd time, like the build to the climax in "The Patient" for instance not to mention his seamless use of triggered samples in his grooves in something like Eulogy or the transition in Pushit that he can do live and sound like a whole ensemble of voodoo percusionists or tabla players in a mystical rhythm trance.
None of those drummers you listed can lay down a tribal groove like Carey on the entire kit with a deep backbeat. All they're doing most of the time is throwing down a lot of double bass, slamming on an open hi hat and playing weird accents on the snare. All those metal drummers you listed can't even play a thoughtful or usefull fill or do decent cymbal work in slow tempos. They just don't even have an inkling of the sensitivity of Carey. Meshugga's drummer Haike or whatever is interesting but again, he's just pretty brutal and not really sensitive or delicate at any time. Mike Portnoy? Give me a break dude, that guy's playing is like the musical equivalent to a dick measuring contest. Who fucking cares? Virgil Donatti? Why do you think he puts out all those solo records? The guy doen't know how to listen or compliment what other people are doing. Technical ability doesn't mean shit if you can't use it in a musical context. Carey has unreal technical ability, and power and endurance like any of those other clowns, but the most important thing is his sensitivity. He understands the concept of dynamics. It's not that "he can 'play in crazy time sigs'" that makes him good as that dipshit who wrote the Tool bashing article so cleverly quipped. He can groove in any time. When he plays an odd time you can tell he really gets into the part until he's at home in it. Every part of his kit is contributing to that groove. He doesn't just play the snare in odd time while flailing at an open hat or cymbal like most fuckin metal drummers. He cares about creating a thoughtful drum part that compliments the music happening around him.
Of course it's largely a matter of opinion, but not entirely. To say that Danny "couldn't even hold a candle to the competition" of so many other drummers that you've heard is just plain rediculous. Few drummers' playing can match the complexity and depth of Carey's parts while still being worth a damn musically. If you say the drummer from Opeth is better, sorry but your opinion is wrong. I've never heard that guy do a ride pattern other than straight eigths or sixteenths. I don't even think he knows there's a pedal on his hi-hat, and with guys like that, if they're not slammin straight ahead with double kick they usually seem to lose any real command of a part and the playing just sounds more like a backround track. I checked out Atma Anur and he's good. But he's nowhere near drumming circles around Carey. Dillinger's drummer is really fucking incredible but his thing is all out freak out insanity type shit. He's not really comfortable just grooving something or playing with sensitivty. Carey can do both masterfully.
I don't care if you think Tool's music isn't worth a damn. I just won't let you get away with saying that Danny Carey "can't even hold a candle" to a bunch of fucksticks. Not that I'd expect you to really know what you're talking about as far as drummers are concerned since you're a guitar player. Stick to talkin shit about what you know.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: Viveka]
#3019929 - 08/18/04 07:00 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wow, thanks for the essay, I disagree .
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EvilEye? said: Mike Portnoy? Give me a break dude, that guy's playing is like the musical equivalent to a dick measuring contest. Who fucking cares?
People that like hearing talented musicians show off their skills and play complex, technical music maybe? I find it hard to hold the fact that he's very good and plays in bands/projects where he can show it against him, sorry .
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EvilEye? said: Virgil Donatti? Why do you think he puts out all those solo records? The guy doen't know how to listen or compliment what other people are doing.
Yeah, indeed, wouldn't be because he pulls off shit most drummers can't or anything... I'm sure he would have a lot of trouble playing something simpler for a band to jam along with, he definitely can't be as good as anyone playing for a whole 4 piece rock band, which we all know is the epitome of musical innovation and skill ...
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EvilEye? said: sorry but your opinion is wrong.
Ahh, I see, I didn't know it was necessary to be a drummer to be able to think one drummer is more skilled than another, my mistake. Maybe saying Lopez is better was a stretch, I just prefer his style. Thanks for letting me know that my opinion is in fact the 'wrong' one though, I guess my ears are just lying to me, damn things. In light of this news, I hereby concede that tool is the greatest band to ever exist and that Danny Carey is the best drummer in all of prog/metal because he is grooving and sensitive, whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: Viveka]
#3020809 - 08/18/04 10:11 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also, you know of any good places to download free music? I had kazaa but took it out because of all that court case shit with the big music companies (fuckin pricks, ill never pay for music, hehehehe )
Hey, anybody know of a good place I can score some free food? I used to steal it from the corner market but stopped because of all that shit with the owner getting pissed and chasing me down the street with a shotgun. (fuckin jerk, i'll never pay for food, tee hee)
Also, does anybody know of a good place to get some free gas? I just drove off a few times from the pump but then stopped cause of those stupid video cameras they have. (assholes, why should I pay for gas?? hehehehehe)
Hey, I was wondering too if there was a way I could maybe get some free drugs, maybe some women who'll sleep with me for free without moral obligation, maybe some free clothes off someone else's back, hell why doesn't everyone who reads this just send me some of the shit they worked hard to earn and create even though I've done nothing to deserve it and probably wouldn't even appreciate it considering that my taste is piss poor and there isn't even a trace of an advanced consciousness or thoughtfulness anywhere in my monkey thief skull?
Haha, thanks guys.
rofl....that was to funny! I love it!
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: spores]
#3021359 - 08/18/04 11:45 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Regarding Mike "The Masturbator" Portnoy:
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I find it hard to hold the fact that he's very good and plays in bands/projects where he can show it against him, sorry .
I don't hold the fact that he has technical ability against him. I just don't think he has any taste.
Regarding Virgil "solo album" Donatti:
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I'm sure he would have a lot of trouble playing something simpler for a band to jam along with, he definitely can't be as good as anyone playing for a whole 4 piece rock band, which we all know is the epitome of musical innovation and skill ...
It's a lot more of a challenging task, musically, to play in a consistent band. And as if the fact that Tool is only a "whole four piece" band makes it laughable or something. Actually, the smaller of a band you're in, the larger task it is for a drummer. That's why a lot of power trios have drummers that shine, they have to, like Stewart COpeland, Tim Alexander and Neil Peart. Being in a one-piece doesn't count though . and what would you rather listen to, a drummer working with a band or a drummer playing off of soulless programmed riffage and sampled crap like you hear on Donatti's solo drum albums?
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Thanks for letting me know that my opinion is in fact the 'wrong' one though
I was only messin around. I just think it's incredibly funny to say that someone's opinion is wrong, it's just so rediculous. However, your opinion in this matter, as you so graciously admitted, was in fact wrong . 
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I hereby concede that ... Danny Carey is the best drummer in all of prog/metal because he is grooving and sensitive, whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean.
Amen, brother! Come on, you know, like a fine wine or spending special time with a lady friend.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: ]
#3024213 - 08/19/04 03:30 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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i concur.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: TrauM]
#3032760 - 08/21/04 01:40 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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And i have a love hate feeling about Linkin Park. They're pop. They rely on melodies, they're not doing anything that hasn't been done and redone again and again. Not amazing song writers by any means, and not amazing musicians. But for some reason, they appeal to me. I particularly liked their Re-animation album quite well.
Korn i've always loved, and still do, though i definately think the last 3 albums are way under par..
And as for Tool, no one really compares except maybe other prog rock groups... Rush, Pink Floyd, Led Zepplin, etc...
I'd check out this Aussie rock band Priory here: www.mp3.com.au/Priory
If nu-metal is your thing I would suggest getting to know some of these acts as well: Mindless Self Indulgence Faith No More Anthrax Biohazard Murderdolls System of a Down Otep <--- a really recommend their "Sevas Tra" album Dog Fashion Disco Opeth (especially Bleak) Meshugga Machine head Chaimera Marilyn Manson Machines of Loving Grace Genitorturers Slayer "Reign of Blood" KMFDM Sepultura Soulfly Mushroom Head
Cradle of Filth and Mudvayne are co-headlining a tour soon. That should be worth checking out.
Korn's next album is supposed to be their last major label album (they're going indie).. and it's nothing but cover songs. They cover NIN's Head Like a Hole with Chester from LP, Pink Floyd's "The Wall" and Public Enemy's "Fight the power" with Lil Jon. Should be interesting...could be horrible too.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: Viveka]
#3041377 - 08/23/04 08:48 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Refused has much better drumming than Tool.
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: Redstorm]
#3041405 - 08/23/04 08:52 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: Refused has much better drumming than Tool.
lol
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Re: KoRn, Linkin Park, ...... [Re: barfightlard]
#3041654 - 08/23/04 09:52 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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lol
I second that
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